the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it's just one of those things boxing abroad. The press here said it was a slip and me dad said it was. The consensus was that Harada won but it was close. Peter Wilson, the doyen of boxing writers in England at the time at ringside scored it for me dad by one point. He said the body shots were breaking Harada in half in the later rounds. Nicky Pope had a great view and looked a bit disgusted by it I thought. The thing is I thought me dad won that round, plenty of body shots, kept moving and landed well in the exchanges and on the inside. That knockdown caused a 3 point swing. Nicky Pope as it happens had 2 points between them at the end but he did score a lot of even rounds. The Japanese judges gave those close rounds to the champ. Harada slipped to one knee at the beginning of the 15th but the ref didn't make any mistake about that. The Japanese had it wide similar to the second Medel Harada fight.
     
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  2. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After all the talk on this board about James Toney's heavyweight fights decided to re-watch some. His fights with Holyfield, Ruiz and Rahman 1. What was noticeable besides his increase his weight was his balance got a lot worse every fight, when he threw the left hook against Rahman he was near falling over. Whilst against Holyfield he was floating in and out every punch was coming off partly because Evander was past it although Toney looked good at 217lbs.

    Toney vs Holyfield
    Round 1: 10-9 Holyfield
    Round 2: 10-9 Toney
    Round 3: 10-9 Holyfield (he blasted Toney with a big right hand which had no effect)
    Round 4: 10-9 Toney
    Round 5: 10-9 Toney
    Round 6: 10-9 Toney
    Round 7: 10-9 Toney
    Round 8: 10-9 Toney
    Round 9: Stoppage, kinda sad to see Evander perform like that, Toney's post fight interview was hilarious. (78-74 at the time of the stoppage)

    Scored the Toney vs Ruzi fight 116 - 111 can't find my breakdown although considering its now a no contents doesn't really matter. The knockdown was never a knockdown Toney stepped on Ruiz foot.

    Toney vs Rahman
    Round 1: 10-9 Rahman
    Round 2: 10-9 Toney
    Round 3: 10-9 Toney
    Round 4: 10-9 Toney
    Round 5: 10-9 Rahman
    Round 6: 10-9 Rahman
    Round 7: 10-9 Rahman
    Round 8: 10-9 Rahman (Hassim landed a few big shots, Toney has a hella of a chin a former middleweight taking those shots)
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Rahman
    Round 11: 10-9 Toney
    Round 12: 10-9 Rahman

    116-113 Rahman seemed fairly clear obviously two judges didn't think so. Hassim work rate was impressive. James lack of heavyweight power was on display he landed majority of the right hands he threw but with little to no effect and Hassim wasn't known for the greatest chin. Commentators were real hard on Toney about his weight called him a "fat tub of goo" before it even started and later the champion of obese ppl lol
     
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  3. scartissue

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    Carmen Basilio v Pierre Langlois II

    Thanks to @William Walker for uploading this.

    Round 1: Basilio
    Round 2: Basilio
    Round 3: Basilio
    Round 4: Basilio
    Round 5: Basilio
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Basilio
    Round 8: Basilio (Langlois penalized the round for rough tactics)
    Round 9: Even
    Round 10: Langlois

    Total: 7-1-2 Basilio (actual scores: 5-4-1, 6-3-1 and 5-3-2 all for Basilio)

    It wasn't the greatest fight, but they were both plucky. Clearly I was far more impressed with Basilio's work than Langlois (pronounced by the American blow-by-blow announcer as "Lang-loy". Personally, I always pronounced it as "Lang-wahh". But if someone with more of a handle on French pronunciation can set me straight, it would be appreciated). And clearly more than the judges. I just had a greater appreciation for Basilio's bodywork than what Langlois was pitching. I though Langlois had a decent jab, but he didn't seem to use it much. He had more heft, especially in the later rounds as he was a full-fledged middleweight, but lacked a punch. Whereas, Basilio's body work was crisp and I felt he almost always got the better of the exchanges. Still, a decent fight.

    One side note; with NY scoring, when a fighter is penalized, they simply take the round from him and give it to the other fighter. I felt Basilio won the 8th anyway, so there is really no deduction at all.
     
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  4. scartissue

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    Dwight 'Tiger' Walker v Mark Frazie I

    This fight is a blast from the past for me. I remember watching this back when NBC was flooding the airwaves with boxing and I loved the fight for all the time it lasted and all that occurred. Here we go:

    Round 1: 10-9 Frazie (scored it Even but 1 point deducted from Walker for a kidney punch)
    Round 2: 10-10 Even (scored it for Walker, but Mercante called a knockdown on Walker which appeared dubious and it was the only thing of note that Frazie did in the round. Gave Frazie a point for the knockdown but could not give him the round for that.)
    Round 3: 9-9 Even (scored it for Walker but had 1 point deducted for a low blow)
    Round 4: 10-9 Walker
    Round 5: Walker DQ'd for another low blow

    Total through 4 completed rounds: 38-38 Even (actual scores not known)

    This fight has to be seen to be believed, but don't turn it off after the fight because the post fight interview in the ring between Pacheco, Mercante, Murad Muhammad and Walker was almost as good as the fight. They cut it just as they started interviewing Frazie, but I do recall Pacheco asking Frazie if he would give Walker a rematch and he immediately responded, "Sure!" I recall seeing the rematch too but Frazie came in with a real plan and completely outclassed Walker in the rematch. Anyways, this is so bizarre I had to post the video with my text. I hope you enjoy it for some craziness.

     
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  5. scartissue

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    Robin Blake v Adolfo Medel

    If anyone is in the mood for a veritable 10 round war, you really need to check this out.

    Round 1: 10-8 Blake (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 Blake
    Round 3: 10-9 Medel
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Blake
    Round 6: 10-9 Medel
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Medel
    Round 9: 10-9 Blake
    Round 10: 10-10 Even

    Total: 97-95 Blake (actual scores: 97-95, 96-94 and 95-94 all for Blake)

    This was simply fannnnnntastic! They ripped away at each other for 10 rounds and I would have been good with a draw. I have to give credit to the Texas judges. By their scores, there was no partiality towards Blake. They appeared to reflect what actually went on in the contest. Blake received his title shot at Jimmy Paul after this fight and I looked up Medel wondering why I had never heard of him before and where his career went. I thought with those speedy, hard combos of his he would be a shoe-in as a top contender. But as it turns out, at the age of 20, that was his last fight. I have no idea what went on. If there was an injury which prevented him from going any further or what. He didn't seem to lack heart, so that is a mystery. Maybe there was just something else he wanted to do with his life. Anyways, again, what a fight! Highly recommend it. I wouldn't steer you guys wrong.
     
  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Keep up the great work @scartissue. You're one of the most valuable posters on the forum.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, William. Just trying to keep this thread alive. I used to be small potatoes here on this thread, but everyone seems to have disappeared on us. So let's keep a light on in the window.
     
  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know what you mean. It's a little sad. I haven't seen George, swag, dmt, sweetsci, Richard M Murrieta, Magoo, and Loaded Glove in ages. I guess it's left to you, Fergy, Saintpat, John Thomas, and I.
     
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  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    I've been watching fights but not posting on them recently. Just watched Gilberto Roman v Jiro Watanabe.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I checked that out last year. This is how I had it:

    Gilberto Roman v Jiro Watanabe

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Watanabe
    Round 4: 10-9 Roman
    Round 5: 10-9 Roman
    Round 6: 10-9 Watanabe
    Round 7: 10-9 Roman
    Round 8: 10-9 Roman
    Round 9: 10-9 Roman
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Roman
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 118-114 Roman (actual scores: 116-112, 116-112 and 116-114 all for Roman)

    Brilliant fight to watch, merciless to score. I always make it hard on myself by taking in every nuance and shift in momentum. It's why sometimes I like just to sit and watch and enjoy rather than score. But nevertheless, almost every round was tight. Roman didn't get his engine going in full throttle until the 4th when he started rolling. But even then, Watanabe could turn a round around with his power. Very close despite my score. I was sorry to see this was Watanabe's last fight. I think he could have turned it around in a rematch. But it is what it is. BTW, Roman reminds me of Albert Davila when he gets his combinations going.
     
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow! Been looking for this for years!
     
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sal, you'll love it.
     
  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember KO Magazine at the time commented, "If you missed it, get a tape!"

    On it.....
     
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  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I look forward to having time to contribute to this again. Moved from one city to another and have been staying at a house but in two weeks I move into an apartment, so really two complete moves. Plus work. So when things settle down I’ll big back in.

    Keep ‘em coming fellas! I enjoy scanning this thread and reading the accounts.
     
  15. William Walker

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    Tryin' Saintpat. The next 10 or 12 fights I'm covering are all pretty high-profile matches by 1953 standards, so I hope I can get significantly more discussion going on those.
     
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