the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sal, this is an excerpt from an interview on Ortega where he addresses the Griffith fight:

    DH: The title changed hands in Benny’s next fight and you got the call for your long-awaited title shot for the welterweight championship of the world with the new champion. Tell me about your title fight with Emile Griffith.

    GO: Well, first of all I should tell you that Emile Griffith did not want to fight me. He had won a split decision over me a year earlier and it must have been in his head. It was Gil Clancy, his manager, who talked him into it. I trained so hard for this fight, but then it got postponed a week. Instead of easing up on the training for the new date, I kept going. Then they had me sparring in open-air sessions. You know, with a crowd present. Well, I didn’t want to look bad, so every sparring session was a war. And they had me in with middleweights. I can tell you right now that the day of the fight I had absolutely nothing. I was so burned out and overtrained that Griffith had no problem with me.
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Such claims are usually sour grapes, but seeing this fight I do believe his claim. He didn't seem like the same guy.
     
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  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you subtly yet perfectly summed up Griffith here sal. While he did possess underrated punching power in the early 60s before he effectively killed Benny Paret, he was still not a monster puncher. I think he relied on his superb boxing ability and body strength and physical resilience rather than punching power, in order to defeat an opponent.
     
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  4. scartissue

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    Joey Giardello v Randy Sandy

    I wanted to check out a Giardello fight today and I started watching his fight with Al Andrews. That fight was such a dud I aborted after a couple of rounds. But I did find his fight with Randy Sandy, which I enjoyed. Here we go, 5 point must in effect.

    Round 1: 5-4 Giardello
    Round 2: 5-4 Giardello
    Round 3: 5-4 Giardello
    Round 4: 5-5 Even
    Round 5: 5-4 Sandy
    Round 6: 5-4 Giardello
    Round 7: 5-4 Sandy
    Round 8: 5-4 Sandy
    Round 9: 5-4 Giardello
    Round 10: 5-5 Even

    Total: 47-45 Giardello (actual scores: 47-45 and 48-44 both for Giardello and a 47-46 for Sandy)

    Gotta admit it was a toughie to score. There were many very close rounds. When Joey was ring center he was golden. He was able to get off his shots on the forward motioning Sandy. However, in the middle rounds Randy discovered great success with crowding Joey and not giving him elbow room to get off his sharp counters off the ropes. By the 9th - perhaps gaining a second wind - Joey held the fight in ring center once again and they fought it out to the wire in the 10th. Again very close. One thing about Sandy, he ended up with a poor 24-24 record, but he was a real spoiler who fought everyone. And every so often he would pull out a good win as Emile Griffith and Dick Tiger would attest.
     
  5. scartissue

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    Roberto Duran v Davey Moore

    It's funny, but I have never seen this fight in its entirety before. I've always seen highlights on the fight from day 1, but for some reason, never started it at the beginning, which I am now rectifying.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Duran
    Round 3: 10-9 Duran
    Round 4: 10-9 Duran
    Round 5: 10-9 Duran
    Round 6: 10-9 Duran
    Round 7: 10-8 Duran (scores a knockdown)
    Round 8: Duran stops Moore

    Total: 70-63 Duran (actual scores: 70-65, 70-65 and 70-64 all for Duran)

    He may have been slower than his lightweight and welterweight days, but Duran's viciousness remained. Man, you do not want to give this guy the taste of blood like he had in the 8th. Despite this, Moore got in his licks as it was a well-matched bout stylistically, but Duran was not to be denied. One last thing, shame on Moore's corner for not pulling him out of there in the 8th. I kept waiting to see a towel floating in. The ref as well was poor. He made no effort in stopping it until he saw the doctor get up on the apron. Man, what were they waiting on?!
     
  6. roughdiamond

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    Scar, a while back I uploaded a high quality 60FPS version of Duran vs Moore, with no commentary. If you, or any other posters, want to check it out, here it is.

     
  7. Jel

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    Been on a Marvin Hagler binge over the last few days as there were actually a few of his title defenses I'd never got round to watching in full. That is now rectified and here's one of them.

    Marvin Hagler v Mustafa Hamsho 1

    Forty years ago this month... Marvin Hagler gives one of his most complete performances against a very rough, tough and awkward challenger in Mustafa Hamsho. It was a punch perfect performance from the greatest middleweight of the last 40 years and showed all the strings to his bow.

    Hagler took his time when he realised that Hamsho wasn't going anywhere from even his stiffest punches and just kept up a steady stream of solid jabbing, slick footwork and head movement and sharp, pinpoint combinations. Hamsho landed a few good shots of his own and landed something in most rounds but Hagler was in almost complete control throughout.

    A brilliant performance from a great, great fighter.

    1 10-9
    2 10-9 (Hamsho trying to rough Hagler up but Hagler doing the more precise punching)
    3 10-9
    4 10-9 (inspection of Hamsho's face by the ring doctor)
    5 10-9 (closer as Hagler making Hamsho look sloppy but the Syrian landing some decent shots)
    6 10-9
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    9 10-9
    10 10-9
    (100-90)
    11 Hagler TKO Hamsho
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, Rough, your version is a beauty. The version I watched wasn't bad, but it had Jake and Vicky LaMotta commentating and eventually late in the fight they started disagreeing and if the fight went any longer I think it would have turned into an argument. Go figure.
     
  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Love this fight. Hagler was damn near perfect as you say, and Hamsho was tough to the point of taking 55 stitches for his efforts. He must have looked like a baseball afterward. The cuts were a major part of it to be sure, but by the tenth Hamsho's legs were also beginning to fail him.

    Hagler's first million-dollar purse, too.
     
  11. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    I watched a very nice quality version of this on YouTube with commentary provided by the HBO '80s trio of the wonderful Barry Tompkins, Sugar Ray Leonard (still an active fighter at that point and fresh from his victory over Thomas Hearns the previous month) and, of course, Larry Merchant.

    Leonard was suitably impressed by Hagler throughout and at the end, Thompkins called Hagler 'the best middleweight today... and maybe ever'. Watching this fight, that statement didn't sound like hyperbole.
     
  12. scartissue

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    Katsuo Tokashiki v Lupe Madera II

    Don't know if anyone has caught this. This is the second in their 4 bout series. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Madera
    Round 2: 10-9 Madera
    Round 3: 10-9 Madera
    Round 4: 10-9 Madera
    Round 5: 10-9 Madera
    Round 6: 10-9 Madera
    Round 7: 10-9 Madera
    Round 8: 10-9 Madera
    Round 9: 10-9 KT
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 KT
    Round 12: 10-8 Madera (Madera wins the round and Tokashiki is penalized for use of the elbow)
    Round 13: 10-9 Madera
    Round 14: 10-9 KT
    Round 15: 10-9 KT

    Total: 146-139 Madera (actual scores: 145-144 Madera, 145-143 Tokashiki and a 144-144 Even for a Draw)

    I feel the judges were far too generous to Tokashiki who was on the receiving end of Madera's sharp punches until the latter half of the fight when Madera began tiring. Of course the usual raucous Japanese crowd could sway a judge I'm afraid. But it is what it is and Tokashiki retains his title on a Draw, although I had Madera winning fairly comfortably.
     
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  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William, here's what I had this fight at, from a few pages back. Nice upload!
     
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  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, disregard. William's writeup on this was a few pages back apparently. No longer germane.
     
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  15. William Walker

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    Nice writeup Sal.
     
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