the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The most exciting write-up you've done in ages scartissue! Not that your others haven't been good, but this one is of special importance to me. About a year ago I looked up everything I could on Clyde Gray, and never saw either of these, but you definitely have my interested savagely piqued! Thanks bro.
     
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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @scartissue I see that a version of Thomas Hearns vs. Clyde Gray is available on YouTube. I need to check that out. In fact, I started typing ‘Thomas Hearns’ in my google search field and ‘Thomas Hearns vs. Clyde Gray’ came up, because last time I searched for one of Hearns’ fights it was this (and I don’t think this fight showed up).

    Have to make some time to watch this.

    I wish I could find Pipino vs. Randy Shields but it seems to have disappeared.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Viloria vs Estrada

    1:10-9
    2:10-9
    3:10-9
    4:9-10
    5:9-10
    6:9-10
    7:9-10
    8: 9-10
    9: 9-10
    10:9-10
    11:9-10
    12:9-10

    113-117

    Viloria starts this fight off superbly. He is getting the better of the chess match and put sharp shooting Estrada. His punches are better timed, better placed and have more snap on them. Plus he's mixing it up to the body and the head. I have Viloria sweeping the first 3.

    In the 4th Estrada finally finds a home for his right hand, his speed advantage is starting to tell and his footwork is now keeping him out of range. Even through 6

    I actually have Estrada sweeping every round down the stretch and winning 9-3. But that doesn't really tell the story of the fight. Every round was mega competitive, I just felt Estrada got his shots in more often

    Great fight this one.
     
  4. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Pipino Cuevas v Harold Weston

    Harold Weston was seriously tough. He stood toe to toe with one of the greatest punchers in welterweight history and managed to stay on his feet, even when in serious trouble. Cuevas was a cold-blooded killer but Weston traded with him and wouldn't wilt, even with a suspected broken jaw. It was stopped between rounds but Weston would have gone out for the 10th, I'm sure, if he had been allowed.

    Terrific scrap this one was.

    1 10-9 (Cuevas wobbled Weston a couple of times. Looks like it's going to be a short night for the Mexican)
    2 10-9 (Weston was boxing well but got rocked and started exchanging and then got rocked even more. He's shown tons of heart but he's in with a lethal puncher)
    3 9-10 (super boxing from Weston. The first round he hasn't been in trouble and he controlled it)
    4 10-9 (close. Good exchanges)
    5 10-9 (Weston is giving as good as he is getting but it was Cuevas's round)
    6 9-10 (excellent round - toe to toe for the full 3 minutes. A good comeback from Weston who forced the action. Every time he looks like he's in danger of being overwhelmed, he finds a way back into the fight)
    7 10-9 (another close one but Cuevas took it)
    8 9-10 (more trench warfare and terrific stuff again from both fighters. Weston has been so aggressive. Right now he still looks completely in the fight)
    (77-75)
    9 Cuevas RTD Weston
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interest in late 70s WW bouts seems high today.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pat, do take into consideration that this was an end of the line Gray. I don't wish to ruin things for you if you are not aware of the result, but take that in mind. I would recommend some of his prime bouts such as Napoles, Espada and Bunny Grant. These fights were peak Gray.
     
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  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh yes I know but it’s a still-green Hearns getting some seasoning against a grizzled veteran who is less than 18 months from challenging (and getting sparked out by) Pipino Cuevas for the welterweight title. Clyde’s not up for rookie of the year anymore but he’s still a wily and viable test for an up-and-comer.

    Nobody’s gone the distance yet with Hearns at this stage of his development so he needed to get the kind of work a guy like Gray could give him. I love watching these crafty guys who still have enough guile and experience to make it an interesting exercise (if not necessarily a competitive one as far as threatening to win) — kind of like the old pitcher in the movie “Major League’ with the Vaseline and KY jelly and all the other stuff tucked away inside his uniform to keep him competitive when he no longer has the fastball, haha.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Estrada vs Segura

    Very good showing this by Estrada who was able to ultimately overwhelm Segura with his sharp crisp shots.

    Segura had little pockets of success but ultimately Estrada was far too much for him.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    I love Estrada, he's probably my favourite active fighter.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Can't beat a slick fighter who punches with spite when he has the bit between his teeth.
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great analogy.
     
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  12. scartissue

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    Jorge Luis Gonzalez v Renaldo Snipes

    Saw this fight was out there and lasting into the 10th. And since I never saw it, didn't remember reading about it and have seen nothing written on it since, I was hoping there might be some competitiveness about it. Well see where hope got me? This is the kind of fight why I couldn't stand JLG. At 6'7" to Snipes' 6'2", he was like a schoolyard bully out there. Moreover, he acted like one too. Hands down, yelling to the well-beaten 37 year old Snipes to 'come on'. Snipes gave it all he had left but this was not the Renaldo who fought Holmes. I only gave Snipes the 5th round and the rest to the Cuban before he dropped and stopped Snipes in the 10th (but not before losing a point in the 10th for laying on Snipes' neck). Still, although never a banger, I'd like to think Renaldo wrote the template on how to fight this lug when he caught him several times with a big overhand right. I can't remember the exact shot Bowe took him out with, but I remember Witherspoon using his overhand right (one of the best in the business) to the extreme when leveling the Cuban.

    I decided to watch JLG's fight with Michael Grant right after the Snipes fight, and loved the fact that Grant was also 6'7". No yells of 'come on' here. And Grant duly took out JLG with an overhand right in the 1st. Almost as satisfying to me as Maidana v Broner.

    Wait, I'm not done yet. I saw on JLG's record that he was stopped by journeyman Ross Purritty. And although the whole fight is not out there, there is a highlight vid of Purritty and the Gonzalez fight is a standout. In the 7th round what does Ross catch him with? Yep, an overhand right. And this time JLG quits. So much for the schoolyard bully.

    Sorry guys, don't mean to run a fighter's nose in it, but just didn't like this big bollocks trying to humiliate Snipes.
     
  13. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, rather stupid of JLG. He gives Snipes a whipping, but then gets his ass kicked vs. Bowe, Grant, and most embarrassingly Witherspoon. Witherspoon still had plenty of fight left in the 90s, but he was the exact same era as Snipes, and really kicked JLG's ass.
     
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  14. scartissue

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    Miguel Cotto v Ricardo Mayorga (junior middleweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 3: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 6: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 7: 10-9 Mayorga
    Round 8: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 9: 10-9 Mayorga
    Round 10: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: Cotto drops Mayorga and Mayorga quits with an arm/wrist injury

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 108-104 Cotto (actual scores: 107-102 by all 3 judges)

    Cotto fought a very controlled fight while Mayorga fought his usual flailing haymakers in spurts-type of fight. Cotto was slowly whittling down Mayorga's resolve with very short jabs, hooks, body-shots and straight rights. a really well-composed fighter and fight plan. It was having the desired effect as Mayorga's right eye was swelling badly, but it seemed like he was there to the finish until Cotto caught him with a terrific left hook in the 12th that almost dropped him, but then he went down of his own volition complaining about his left arm. I really didn't see it despite repeated replays of the incident, but he did appear to be in pain and he wouldn't have quit with a minute or so to go. The announcing team referred to this as a fun fight, and I would agree. Despite lacking some real drama, it was a fun fight. A decent fight.
     
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  15. The G-Man

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    Watched it many times and never fully figured out ehat was Mayorga’s injury.
    Got clipoed with a left hook and got his hand/finger injured.
     
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