the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Love the Johnson reference. I'm a prewar blues freak.

 

Pat, you and I were on the same page. The only difference from my score and yours was that I scored the 3rd Even and you had it for Douglas (close). The 2 Asian judges were way out of sync on this one.

 

Carlos Palomino v Armando Muniz I (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Muniz (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Muniz
Round 3: 10-9 Muniz
Round 4: 10-9 Muniz
Round 5: 10-9 Muniz
Round 6: 10-9 Palomino
Round 7: 10-9 Muniz
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-9 Muniz
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Muniz
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Palomino
Round 14: 10-9 Palomino
Round 15: Palomino drops and stops Muniz

Total through 14 completed rounds: 136-131 Muniz (actual scores: 133-132 Muniz, 135-133 Palomino and 133-133 Even on points going into the 15th round)

To begin, a terrific welterweight contest. If you like good, hard, clean punches thrown and landed for 15 rounds, you'll love this one. Clearly, I was more impressed with Muniz' inside fight than the judges were. I thought his crowding fight and short hooks really put a cork in preventing Palomino success with unloading his hard straight punches which he needed elbow room for. One thing I was so impressed with Palomino's work was how strong he was. Pushing Palomino is like pushing a boulder uphill and I think Muniz fatigued himself somewhat in trying to do so. Also, I would wince every so often when Palomino would sink one to the body. But despite the success I saw in Muniz' attack, he was tiring in the later rounds and Palomino was finally able to get the room to unload those straight shots. An excellent fight and if you are going to watch it there is a Mexican version in its entirety, but if you watch the one in 5 parts with Jim Healy at the mic, it is missing the 4th round.

 

Wilfredo Gomez (c) vs. Lupe Pintor, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC super bantamweight championship on Dec. 3, 1982, at the Superdome in New Orleans.

Gomez, 37-1-1 (37), is making the 17th defense of the title he won in 1977 and his fourth of the year, his reign interrupted by his unsuccessful challenge of Salvador Sanchez’s featherweight championship (he did not abdicate his 122-pound belt).

PIntor, 49-5-1 (38), is moving up after eight successful defenses of his WBC bantamweight championship and is, according to introductions, still champion at this point.

Each is paid $625K after Don King approached both camps about reducing purses due to disappointing ticket sales (both were originally to get $750K, fight ends up drawing 12K fans when 40K were expected) for their bout on the Thomas Hearns-Wilfredo Benitez undercard (they also took purse reductions of $250K each to make $1.25M apiece). Both weigh 121 1/2.

1. Gomez 10-9: This is a feeling-out sort of round, Wilfredo gets home with a few rights and is more aggressive.

2. Gomez 10-9: Lupe is busier but Gomez more explosive and lands the more telling blows.

3. Even 10-10: Round of the Year by Ring Magazine; all Gomez in the first half and all Pintor in the second half as both unload and go toe to toe for 3 minutes.

4. Gomez 10-9: Wilfredo boxes beautifully behind the jab.

5. Pintor 10-9: Lupe more aggressive, gets tagged late but edges it on my card.

6. Gomez round plus Pintor loses a point for low blows, 10-8: Good action round, Wilfredo’s right eye is starting to swell and gets worse as the fight goes on.

7. Pintor 10-9: More action.

8. Gomez 10-9: Really snappy combinations.

9. Gomez round but loses a point for an elbow, so 9-9: Gomez batters Lupe along the ropes for a good portion of the round, misses a lot but relentless.

10. Gomez 10-9: Wilfredo looks like he thinks Lupe is ready to go, plants his feet and fires away.

11. Gomez 10-9: Now Lupe is relentless as he picks up the pace into overdrive, but Gomez is a machine and takes it with a big rally. What a fight.

12. Gomez 10-9: Wilfredo hammers Lupe with a big right that staggers him back to the ropes and unloads everything he has, but can’t quite get Pintor out of there; Pintor weathers the storm and Gomez looks completely punched out; Lupe takes over and does some great body work, finishes strong but the big punch and rally edges it for Gomez. Another fantastic round.

13. Pintor 10-9: Wilfredo looks done, pace slows a bit but the tide seems to have completely shifted.

14. Gomez lands a devastating left hook to the body followed by a right that chops Lupe to the canvas. Wilfredo pounces on him when he rises and puts him down for good with a left hook at the 2:44 mark.

My card (with the two point deductions reflected): Gomez 126-120.

Official cards: 126-120 Gomez, 126-121 Gomez, 124-123 Pintor.

This is a classic, and also a prime example of how a fight can be REALLY close and competitive but one guy still do more in most of the rounds and be comfortably ahead in the scoring. Gomez just keeps punching and Lupe fights more in spurts, although he certainly had many great sequences … Wilfredo is just more of a 3-minute fighter.

Looked it up to see why this wasn’t Fight of the Year and of course Bobby Chacon-Rafael Limon took that honor (and Bobby again the next year vs. Boza-Edwards).

If you’ve never seen this fight, watch it. If you have, watch it again. Consider this my Christmas present to Classic:

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A beautiful fight in every sense. One of those instances where even the loser is elevated.

 

Thanks Pat - a fantastic write-up of one of my all-time favourite fights. I'm on a Gomez binge at the moment, wstching some of his lower key fights and title defenses (i.e. not the Pintor fight or the Sanchez fight) but might treat myself again to this classic when I'm finished. Rounds 3, 9 and 12 always stand out for me as the best rounds of the fight but there is such an ebb and flow to it that all of the rounds are gripping. It really builds momentum as it goes along.

If I remember right, I had this fight on the same VHS tape as Chacon-Limon 4 and Pryor-Arguello 1 with all three fights taking place only a few weeks apart - what an end to a brilliant year of boxing that was 1982.

 

That’s the VHS equivalent of a mix tape cassette with all your favorite songs, haha.

I watched/scored Wilfredo vs. Davila earlier this year for this thread. So cool those two met when they were just past the novice stage.

I could watch Bazooka all day. So smooth. He throws these combinations like he’s lollipopping the punches and they just explode when they land — it’s like Justin Verlander pitching, looks like he’s playing catch in the backyard and you look at the gun and he’s popping 99 mph.

Merry Christmas and enjoy the Gomez binge.

 

Ernie Terrell v Bob Foster (NY rounds basis scoring)

Always heard about the way this fight unfolded, but for the historical impact of seeing these two again, just had to see it.

Round 1: Foster
Round 2: Terrell
Round 3: Foster
Round 4: Terrell
Round 5: Foster (scored it for Terrell, but Terrell was penalized the round for 'holding and leaning'. On the NY scoring system the round is simply taken from the offending fighter and given to the other.)
Round 6: Terrell
Round 7: Terrell drops and stops Foster

Total through 6 completed rounds: 3-3 Even (actual scores not known)

I had always heard Ernie won ugly in this bout, which was partially true, but they both got some good licks in as well. Bob was a terror with that overhand right and the uppercut, but there was a reason why he didn't make it as a heavyweight and this bout was a good example. He just didn't have the frame to cope with a big guy and Terrell exploited the deficiency with his 'slathering' tactics. I think it was every bit of exhaustion that done him in with Ernie leaning all over him. I will say this for Ernie though, man, he had one impressive left jab. When he set down on it, it was a phenomenal weapon.

 

Watched Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Barrera yesterday, and found it entertaining, while being scored strangely (at least in comparison to my own card). Here's how I had it:

1. Even
2. Barrera
3. Marquez
4. Marquez
5. Marquez
6. Barrera
7. Even(9-9, more on this below)
8. Barrera
9. Barrera
10. Marquez
11. Marquez
12. Marquez

115-113 for Marquez. A solid, high-contact tactical bout. I liked it very much.

As to the knockdown in the 7th, this could have been scored a number of ways but it was hard for me to fathom how Lederman could have scored it 10-8. I was on my way to scoring it 10-9 for Marquez as he was beating the tar out of Barrera throughout. Borderline 10-8 for Marquez, until Barrera seemingly saved the round with that one shot. That would then have made it 10-9 Barrera for me, as I can't justify giving him a full two point swing there because of one shot while the whole rest of the round was so pointedly in Marquez's favor.

Then Barrera decided to be a punk and hit Marquez hard when he was down. A point is then deducted from Barrera, thus making my score there 9-9.

At any rate, it hardly mattered in the scoring. The judges had Marquez so far ahead that Barrera could only have managed a draw if he'd killed Marquez along the way. Really not understanding how they had Marquez THAT far ahead, though Lederman's card in favor of Barrera also doesn't hold water.

Good fight though, really enjoyed it.

 

Sal, I had the 7th round 10-8 for Marquez. Like you, I was on my way to a 10-9 for JMM until MAB scores the knockdown. However, referee Jay Nady missed it and called it a slip, then took the point from MAB for hitting JMM when he was down. That's how I arrived at 10-8 for Marquez. Did Harold score it 10-8 for Barrera?? That does seem way out.

 

With old Tom in the oven I indulged myself with a couple of Doug DeWitt fights, These were on his comeback after 2 years out of the ring. The first fight was with Tyrone Frazier, whom I saw give a very good account of himself against Merqui Sosa. And I wouldn't have been signed to fight him on my first fight back.

Doug DeWitt v Tyrone Frazier

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 DeWitt
Round 3: 10-9 Frazier
Round 4: 10-9 Frazier
Round 5: 10-9 DeWitt
Round 6: 10-9 DeWitt
Round 7: 10-9 DeWitt
Round 8: 10-9 Frazier
Round 9: 10-9 DeWitt
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 97-95 DeWitt (actual scores: 97-93 DeWitt and 2 scores of 95-95 for a majority draw)

Frazier was a damn good inside fighter. Not that DeWitt wasn't, but it did take him a few rounds to realize that Frazier was better and that's when DeWitt started keeping on the outside with his speedy combos. This was a good old-fashioned clubfight that I enjoyed. We also almost got a bout between rounds when one of DeWitt's cornermen attempted to talk over Emile Griffith, DeWitt's chief second. I saw something like this before when Griffith was working a corner. Man, he just glared at the over-stepping corner and they just shut up. Damn, he was the boss and that was that. But about the decision, I was good with the draw.

James Toney v Doug DeWitt

I always considered this to be James Toney in his absolute prime where he wasn't trying to cut weight to make 160. This was his first appearance at 168 and his next bout would be that remarkable counter-punching performance against Iran Barkley. DeWitt, on the other hand was struggling on a comeback and could do absolutely nothing with Toney. Toney was brutally efficient here and no point running a scorecard. I gave him every round before DeWitt was retired after the 6th round. One-sided and I can't tell you how many times I winced at what Toney was landing.

 

I think he had it 10-8 for Marquez actually. To be honest, I didn't hear the part about not ruling it a knockdown. Watching with sound off is not necessarily a great thing it seems.

 

My wife is half Puerto Rican so we're having a pernil (marinated pork roast, slow-cooked).

 

Yeah the copy I watched to score Gomez-Pintor had no commentary, just natural sound, which was great. And some of the between-round stuff and fixing loose tape was edited out with jump-cuts, but none of the action.

I was pretty sure Arthur Mercante took a point away so I found a version with commentary and all the between-rounds and he actually took one from each guy (different infractions, different rounds). Glad I did that so my scoring reflects the deductions accurately.

 

I always thought James looked really flat in this one.