the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Add some sweet peas and you can call it a Pernell. (Merry Christmas!)
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We did! Peas aplenty! Merry Christmas to you too good sir......
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That actually sounds pretty damn good. Enjoy.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought he looked bored. Like he knew the guy in front of me isn't going to give me an issue. But when he landed, I thought he was letting it rip. Perceptions.
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez v Brian Viloria (flyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Viloria
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-8 Gonzalez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 5: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 6: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 7: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 9: Referee intervenes with Gonzalez stopping Viloria

    Total through 8 completed rounds: 79-73 Gonzalez (actual scores: 79-72 and 2 scores of 78-73 all for Gonzalez)

    Some fights are memorable, some are forgettable, but there are some fights and performances that just want to make you applaud and this was one of them. Gonzalez was just such a master at the slow breakdown of an opponent. Clean, hard punches to body and head. And Viloria was no slouch either. Man, he kept it competitive throughout, but once that Gonzalez engine was revving there was just no stopping him. Simply an outstanding performance - by both. Some of those shots Viloria was landing would have taken out lesser fighters, but this was a master he was in the ring with this day. I always felt Gonzalez did himself a disservice by moving up to super fly. I can see and applaud the ambition of a 4th weight class, but I think he pushed the envelope too far. Regardless, outstanding performance by both fighters.
     
  6. Saintpat

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    Flat James Toney > Fat James Toney
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George, finally getting around to this. You and @Jel didn't undersell this. There wasn't much finesse to this, but when it's two rock-em-sock-em robots in there, finesse is not a requirement.

    Kelly Pavlik v Edison Miranda (middleweight title eliminator)

    Round 1: 10-9 Pavlik
    Round 2: 10-9 Miranda
    Round 3: 10-9 Pavlik
    Round 4: 10-9 Pavlik
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-6 Pavlik (scores 2 knockdowns and 1 point is deducted from Miranda for spitting out his mouthpiece)
    Round 7: Pavlik stops Miranda

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-53 Pavlik (actual scores unknown)

    Just what the day required to start out with, a great punch-up. After 7 rounds, both their faces displayed what they had just gone through with Miranda sporting a severely swollen right eye and Pavlik's nose that had turned into a bloody spray nozzle. Thanks for the recommendation, guys.
     
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  8. scartissue

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    Frankie Randall v Freddie Pendleton II (USBA lightweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 3: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 4: 10-9 Randall
    Round 5: 10-9 Randall
    Round 6: 10-9 Randall
    Round 7: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 8: 10-9 Randall
    Round 9: 10-9 Randall
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Randall
    Round 12: 10-9 Randall

    Total: 117-113 Randall (actual scores: 115-113 Randall, 116-114 Pendleton and 114-114 Even for a Draw decision)

    I would not say give this fight a miss, nor would I recommend it as exciting. This was 12 rounds of a tactical fight fought at a fast pace with some very close rounds. Which, despite my score, is why I don't have any issues with the end result. I don't mind tactical fights as long as they don't bog down and this one did not. again, it was at least fought at a fast pace.

    One thing I should mention when looking back at this, was that it was a USBA title fight between top fighters and fought on ESPN. Today, it's incomprehensible to me that FOX is offering Luis Ortiz v Charles Martin on PPV. I wouldn't walk across the street to watch that let alone shell out monies for it. Did we know how good we had it? And I won't even mention how many great cards we had on regular TV. OK, that's me on my soapbox for the day.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Josh Taylor UD12 Jose Ramirez

    Beautiful build-up to this one, two good men; shame one of them had to lose.

    Taylor's jab always surprises me. He is up and down with it, puts a bit of dig, slows it up, it's a very very nice southpaw jab, it really is. Sometimes he's just poking with it, trying to open up the left hand to the body. It doesn't actually make a lot of sense that Ramirez is able to win six rounds tbh, when you look at the first, Taylor just looks like a better fighter, countering beautifully to the body to land better shots than Ramirez lands in general, and jabbing and landing the one-two also. Second round though, was close, and in the third, Ramirez prioritised the body, met Taylor in the clinches by pushing him back, did not try to punch with Taylor at distance and found a left hand to follow in his bodyshot. At one point he appeared to have Taylor hurt, not seriously, but noticeably, along the ropes, and Taylor stopped throwing punches, baited him, covered up, held. Ramirez seemed spooked though (understandably) and let Taylor back into the fight ring-centre. This repeated itself almost exactly at the bell - Ramirez looked momentarily like he might take over here.

    Taylor boxed beautifully in the fourth though. This round was savage though and can be scored either way.

    The sixth felt a huge round, so often the case in a twelve-round fight, couldn't really say why, but it does seem often to denote what the fighters need in the back end of the fight. This was a nip-and-tuck combat through five, with Ramirez showing a little more aggression nd on my card at least, that was enough to carry him into a wee lead, for all that 2,4 and 5 could all be scored any way you like. In the sixth though, Taylor found the class to match the spite, stepping back straight o fhis corner, bringing Ramirez onto a hard, hard southpaw left that rattled Ramirez. though he was more flashed than really hurt, illustrated by a violent fightback. Ramirez would have won this round without the KD.

    In a way, Ramirez's clear recovery makes what Taylor did in the seventh round even more impressive, because when he knocked him down again, he did it "raw". This was the more impressive of the two KDs. Josh opened tentatively, as he had in the previous around, jabbing and careful not to overcommit on the feet. Ramirez had some success with a long punch to the body. Taylor preferred the trailing hand. Disrespectful and brave; Ramirez came square on 2:10 to try to close. Two counter lefts served warnings at 1:35. Taylor was dipping, trying to bring Ramirez over him and counter, but only when he saw a good punch but it was an old fashioned BLAM uppercut with both square that really hurt Ramirez - Bayless gave Taylor a LOT of time and Taylor got only 8 seconds to finish. Ramriez survives. Very good stuff.

    Official cards were all 114-112.

    TAYLOR: 1,2,6*,7*,8,10.
    RAMIREZ:3,4,5,9,11,12.

    114-112 Taylor.


    *Ramirez down.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

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    Just finished Sumbu Kalambay W12 Robbie Sims. It was announced as a split verdict for Kalambay which would be an outrage if the NBC crew got that right. Kalambay comfortably outpointed his determined challenger, but admittedly had to work hard as Sims came to fight. Despite constant battering from Kalambay's sharp counters (mostly right hands thrown in every conceivable way from every conceivable angle), Sims never stopped chugging forward and trying to force the fight. Only Kalambay's deft slipping, ducking, and defending off the ropes kept it from becoming an inside brawl. Sims had to make it that, and simply didn't have the tools, Despite his desire and aggression. A good display of Kalambay's tremendous defensive and counter-punching skills and a testament to Sims' grit. A match against the more pedestrian champion at the time Frank Tate would have been a toss up for him then I think.

    Here's how I had it:

    1. Even
    2. Sims
    3. Kalambay
    4. Kalambay
    5. Kalambay
    6. Kalambay
    7. Sims
    8. Kalambay
    9. Kalambay
    10. Kalambay
    11. Kalambay
    12. Kalambay

    118-111 Kalambay
     
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sal, actual scores were 118-110, 119-113 and 117-113 all for Kalambay. So it was a misstep by NBC.
     
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  12. salsanchezfan

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    Okay, that sounds more like it.....
     
  13. Saintpat

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    I want to hear more about the household where a Sanchez fan and a Puerto Rican are married. I gather you guys don’t sit down on your anniversary and watch Sanchez-Gomez, haha.
     
  14. salsanchezfan

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    Eh, I wish I could say she's a boxing fan, but no........she's from Brooklyn ( by way of the Florida Keys) from a Puerto Rixan mother and Irish father. Basically I married West Side Story.
     
  15. scartissue

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    Freddie Pendleton v Tim Brooks (USBA lightweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 2: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 3: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 4: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 5: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 6: 10-9 Brooks
    Round 7: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 8: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 9: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 10: 10-9 Brooks
    Round 11: 10-9 Pendleton
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 118-111 Pendleton (actual scores: 117-111, 118-110 and 119-109 all for Pendleton)

    Despite the USBA tag, this was a good old-fashioned club-fight if I ever saw one. A hard-banging fight from start to finish, or I should say from about the 3rd round on. It was funny watching this and hearing the dialogue from Sean O'Grady and Al Albert. A judge can get somewhat complacent when a fight is unfolding the same round after round. He may miss or almost disregard if the other fighter is suddenly doing something, which I felt was the case with O'Grady sort of missing rounds 6 and 10. I believe he scored it a shutout for Freddie, but Brooks was in there too and to tell you the truth, rounds 7, 8 & 9 were damn close as well. But regardless, a good win for Freddie against a very tough opponent, who never stopped trying in a damn good fight.