the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Brazier was just so throwback. I was also aghast at how much a person could torque his body and how much he could put on his shots without getting any power whatsoever on them (Pompey, I mean).
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Watched a few fights today and, unfortunately, the first fight was not memorable. I've had a thing for Oba Carr fights. Always thought they were brilliant with his speedy, sharp combos he always made it entertaining....until now. In fairness, however, it was his last fight.

    Oba Carr v Kuvanych Toygonbayev

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Carr
    Round 3: 10-8 KT (1 point deducted from Carr for a low blow)
    Round 4: 10-9 KT
    Round 5: 10-9 KT
    Round 6: 9-9 Even (Carr's round but deducted 1 point for holding)
    Round 7: 10-8 KT (scores a knockdown)
    Round 8: 10-9 KT
    Round 9: 10-9 Carr
    Round 10: 10-9 KT

    Total: 97-91 Toygonbayev (actual scores: 99-88, 99-88 and 100-87 all for Toygonbayev)

    One look at my score and one would think I felt KT dominated, until they see the official scores. Compared to theirs I was downright generous to Carr. I must admit it was fandom that brought me to this fight as I said before, but this was end of the line stuff. Carr couldn't mount any kind of attack against his strong-as-an-Ox opponent. It was 10 rounds of Carr jumping in with one punch and then grappling. If you're looking for a good fight to watch. This ain't it!
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    I was hoping to watch a better Oba Carr fight and thought of his bout with Yori Boy Campas. It was likely Carr's last hurrah, but I couldn't find it out there. would love to see that one. But there were a couple of Campas fights I watched.

    Yori Boy Campas v Fernando Vargas (jr. middleweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 2: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 3: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 5: 10-9 Campas
    Round 6: 10-9 Vargas
    Bout stopped between the 6th and 7th due to a busted up right eye by Campas

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-55 Vargas (actual scores: 59-55, 59-55 and 60-54 all for Vargas)

    Vargas just far too accurate for Campas and started so early. Campas had one decent round when the cajoling from his corner took effect. But Vargas - who was developing his own injury under his right eye - took advantage of everything that came his way.

    Jose Luis Lopez v Yori Boy Campas (WBO welterweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
    Round 2: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
    Campas is retired between the 5th and 6th rounds due to a damaged right eye

    Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-46 Lopez (actual scores: all 3 officials had it 49-45 for Lopez)

    This bout was really turning into a nice slugfest when the right eye again from Campas failed him and he bails. At least I was able to wash the Carr v Toygonbayev fight out of my head.
  4. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Active Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
    Vargas has a good interview I saw on YouTube once in regards to the Camp as fight. Camp as basically toyed with him in sparring when Vargas was younger and this was a revenge type of fight for him

    Found it
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Hey, that was a good interview. Very honest about what was done to him and his reaction. Very cool!
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  6. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Meldrick Taylor D10 Howard Davis Jr.

    Hadn't seen this one before, as by this point in time I had a nights and weekend gig while going to community College. Missed a lot of fights between 1986-1988.

    Anyway, here we go:

    1. Taylor
    2. Taylor
    3. Taylor
    4. Davis
    5. Even
    6. Davis
    7. Taylor
    8. Davis
    9. Even
    10. Taylor

    97-95 Taylor

    I have no problem with the draw, first of all; this truly was one of those "which style do you prefer " type things. Davis didn't move as much early as he was known for, though, preferring to rely on his own fast flurries and covering up. The movement came later, and that's when Davis started banking a few rounds.

    Overall, I preferred Taylor's busier aggression, though it wasn't always effective. Neither man was a puncher so it was going to come down to either ring generalship or punch volume, take your pick. I hate the fact that I had not one but two even rounds in a ten-rounder, but there was just so little between them I couldn't pull the trigger.

    Good fight though, highly recommend, both for enjoyment and a sort of judging exercise.
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    I was going to check out the second bout between Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young today, but the version I saw out there was grainy and I don't believe it was in its entirety going by the time allotted on the video, so I thought I would give another bout a stab, even though I only saw it 49 years ago, I thought I would give it another go. And it's a vid in pristine clarity.

    Jerry Quarry v Ron Lyle (NY rounds scoring)

    Round 1: Quarry
    Round 2: Lyle
    Round 3: Quarry
    Round 4: Lyle
    Round 5: Quarry
    Round 6: Quarry
    Round 7: Quarry
    Round 8: Quarry
    Round 9: Quarry
    Round 10: Quarry
    Round 11: Quarry
    Round 12: Quarry

    Total: 10-2 Quarry (actual scores: 7-4-1, 10-2 and 9-1-2 all for Quarry)

    Man, with this fight taking place a few months before I started buying boxing mags, I recall poring over the papers before this fight (which I watched live on regular TV) and coming up to my Dad saying, "Dad, you gotta see this. This guy is 19-0 with 17 KOs." Of course I was talking about Lyle and going with the stats. But man, did Quarry make a ****** of the stats. Jerry was the ultimate bane to the big clubbing slugger - a counter-puncher with a great jaw. 1973 was crying out for a Foreman-Quarry title fight. But instead we got Foreman-Roman. Crying shame. But about the fight, Lyle was able to catch Quarry with some clean, hard shots, but Quarry wasn't to be denied. Man, he boxed, countered, body-punched and banged when he needed to. Just a great performance. I will mention one more thing. The lost art of body-punching. When watching Jerry sink those left hooks in, he doesn't so much throw it as launch it. He would put everything in it. I recall after he retired he was sitting at ringside doing color commentary and there was a preliminary contest going on and he noted the one heavyweight who had that type of gut that is rampant today and he literally gushed, "Oh, man, would I love to sink a left hook into that." Clearly someone who relished his work.
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Wangek vs Estrada



    Estrada boxes very well in the first two rounds, landing big sharp counters and looking like he's too fast and too slick for Wangek.

    But then in round 3 Wangek really starts to take over with his pressure as he walks Estrada down, baits him into exchange after exchange and gets the better of it more often than not. Wangek is playing a strange counter punching pressure game here, reminiscent of Victor Galindez and at the half way point he has a 4-2 lead on my card.

    Round 8 sees Estrada get some momentum going, he is able to get off some solid crisp combinations, and aside from his slip, he controls the round, stands his ground and gets off some good work and this continues to round 9.

    Rounds 10 and 11 I have Rungvisai edging but its so close this fight. Rungvisai is just a juggernaut and sometimes his work looks more effective even if less technical.

    Estrada throws everything in his locker during round 12 but he can't score the knockdown and on my card he can't secure the victory. What a fight.
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  9. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Active Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
    Ha I'm in the middle of watching and scoring this fight as well, I'll read this report after I finish mine
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  10. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Joseph Agbeko v Yonnhy Perez 1

    Wow - great fight. Non-stop action from the opening bell with Perez showing a mean left hook and Agbeko a sturdy chin and a continuous pressure attack. I thought Agbeko was starting to get on top in round 10 but then came the twist - a head butt that resulted in Agbeko turning away and Perez putting him down as a result.

    The official scoring was surprising to me, not only because it was unanimous but that it was so wide (116-111, 117-110 twice, all for Perez). I could easily see it for Perez and had I made round 10 a 10-8 round then Perez would have been the winner on my card too. He could conceivably have taken rounds 1 and 11 as well, though I had them even. A fair number of the rounds were tight, but it surprised me that the judges obviously saw it mostly Perez’s way when rounds were tight. Maybe they were seeing something at ringside that I wasn’t picking up watching it on TV.

    A word on the commentary - I decided to watch this one with the sound on and I forgot how much I enjoy Al Bernstein’s insights. He also had it tighter than the judges (to Perez by two points) although I don’t feel the commentary unduly influenced my scoring.

    1 10-10 (fantastic opening round. Agbeko starts fast before Perez fights his way into it and wobbles Agbeko too)
    2 9-10 (more scintillating action. Perez landing the more effective punches)
    3 10-9 (close, could have gone the other way)
    4 9-10 (nip and tuck all the way)
    5 10-9 (good combos and head movement from Agbeko)
    6 9-10
    7 10-9 (good round from Agbeko)
    8 9-10
    9 10-9 (close, either way kind of round)
    10 9-10 (Agbeko winning the round and the a clash of heads and Perez follows up and puts Agbeko down. I couldn’t make it 10-8)
    11 10-10 (brilliant action. Agbeko started well, Perez came back - just like the opening round)
    12 10-9 (Agbeko just took it but it was fought at a crazy pace)

    Agbeko 115-115 Perez
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2022
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Wow! That's odd. Can't wait to read it.
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Wow, Sal, we were almost identical. I scored this a year or so ago. This is what I wrote:

    Saw this 10 rounder when it took place and thought it was an excellent contest between two fighters going in opposite directions. The 30 year old Davis against the 19 year old wunderkind. Here we go, New Jersey rules on a rounds basis.

    Meldrick Taylor v Howard Davis

    Round 1: Taylor
    Round 2: Taylor
    Round 3: Taylor
    Round 4: Davis
    Round 5: Taylor
    Round 6: Davis
    Round 7: Taylor
    Round 8: Davis
    Round 9: Even
    Round 10: Taylor

    Total 6-3-1 Taylor (actual scores: 6-4 Taylor, 6-4 Davis and a 5-5 for a Draw)

    I felt Taylor was just that much busier. I felt it was so close back in the day when I saw it and felt the draw was good at the time. And actually, I still do, because many of these rounds were very close and many of them I feel the fighters just nicked. Again, excellent contest.
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  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Wow, yes! Just the fifth round was seen slightly different, every other round the same! I'd love to see some other cards from those here ( Pepsi's is pending) as I would have imagined a pretty wide pallette of scores, given the contentious nature of the fight and the blend of styles.
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Here's my card from summer, last year:

    Taylor - Davis Jr.
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9 (48/47)
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9 (96/94)
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  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Different way to get there but ended up in the same place!
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