the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Looking for a good club-fight and found this and found it most interesting. This was a tuneup for Davis as he was already signed for his world title shot at Mark Breland in 2 months time.

    Aaron Davis v Curtis Summit

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Summit
    Round 3: 10-9 Summit
    Round 4: 10-9 Davis
    Round 5: 10-9 Summit
    Round 6: 10-9 Summit
    Round 7: 10-9 Davis
    Round 8: 10-9 Davis
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-10 Even

    Total: 97-96 Summit (actual scores: 97-96, 97-91 and 98-92 all for Davis)

    IMO, only judge Wayne Rosen's 97-96 ballot for Davis made any sense. When a bout is taking place in New York with a world title fight between 2 New Yorkers already signed, the visiting fighter is really facing a stacked deck. Davis clearly took Summit lightly, allowing him to push him around, and almost paid for it. Possibly would have if the judges were doing their job. Summit had lost 3 out of his last 4 and looked safe on paper, but didn't fight safe. Gil Clancy and a ringside reporter also had Summit winning. A gruelling fight, not a great one. More of a decent contest.
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Wangek vs Estrada 2


    Much less of a competitive exciting fight than the first. Estrada lit SRR up in the first and then didn't really have to get out of second gear for the next 8 rounds. Wangek was very flat and just had no answer for the quick shots of Estrada.

    Round 9 sees Rungvisai close the gap and have more success but he is still losing the round to me, even though its his best round so far.

    Round 10 SRR lands a big shot half way through which really slows down Estrada and it seems now there's been a bit of a momentum change. Arguably could have been a knockdown but it wasn't called so it's the first Wangek round on my card.
    Round 11 Estrada tries to stand to to toe and comes off much worse. Big round for Wangek. Round 12 goes the same way, but Estrada refuses to back down and refuses to go down. He finished the round on his feet and takes a comfortably wide decision on my card.

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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Estrada vs Cuadras 2

    Cuadras forces an amazing pace here and is able to consistently pressure Estrada and get to him, no matter what Estrada does.

    Cuadras scores a beautiful knockdown in the third and also manages to open up a big cut on the face of Estrada.

    Round 11 sees all of Cuadras's work undone. Estrada lands one to many big shots and Cuadras has no durability left. Estrada drops him twice and then forces the ref to wave it off.

    Would have been very interesting on the scorecards had the fight gone the distance, but Estrada put a stop to that.

    What an amazing war.
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    I pay the UK DAZN subscription literally just to watch Estrada :lol:
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    I've got Estrada vs Gonzalez 2 up next. Needs extra concentration due to how hard it is to score.

    But that's next on my list.
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    I had Estrada winning. I was confident in my score and the result. Gonzalez has a lot of irrational fans IMO. I probably should disclose Estrada is my favourite fighter in boxing right now, though.
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  7. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    I had Gonzalez by a couple of points but it was very tight and a draw or Estrada win would be completely reasonable.
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Jel, I wanted to see Gonzalez v Estrada II but the only version I saw out there was horrendous with the camera zoomed in so tight that 3/4 of the punches thrown are out of the picture. If you know of a better version I'd love to know. But I did check out their first fight.

    Roman Gonzalez v Juan Francisco Estrada I (Jr. flyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Estrada
    Round 2: 10-9 Estrada
    Round 3: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 4: 10-9 Estrada
    Round 5: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 6: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 7: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 9: 10-9 Estrada
    Round 10: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 11: 10-9 Gonzalez
    Round 12: 10-9 Estrada

    Total: 115-113 Gonzalez (actual scores: 118-110 and two scores of 116-112 all for Gonzalez)

    Wow!! I felt it was tighter than the officials, but this is the kind of fight it was. Man, no let up. Estrada was the busier but Chocolatito's shots had so much steam on them. What a terrific fight! Can't say enough.
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Estrada vs Gonzalez 2


    What a great fight. As good as I first remembered it. The rounds were so nip and tuck and a few could have gone the other way, so I'm OK with any close score here.

    But for me, Estrada was looking very comfortable up until his corner inexplicably told him he needed a knockout. He then came out more aggressive which left Gonzalez with the openings he needed to close out the fight strong.

    Crazy corner instructions. Amazing fight.

    That's my Estrada binge finished.
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Terrence Alli v Santos Cardona

    Round 1: 10-9 Cardona
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Alli
    Round 4: 10-9 Alli
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Cardona
    Round 7: 10-9 Alli
    Round 8: 10-9 Alli
    Round 9: 10-9 Cardona
    Round 10: 10-9 Alli

    Total: 97-95 Alli (actual scores: 97-94, 98-93 and 99-91 all for Alli)

    After having recently watched Cardona against Livingstone Bramble and saying at the time to dispense with the pen and just enjoy the fight, I echo those same sentiments now. Man, it was like riding the blade of a razor these rounds were so close. Was Cardona in a war every time? These two just went in there and kept firing for 10 rounds. Damn good fight.
  11. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    I had the same problem but found it on Dailymotion. Rather than suffering the ads, I signed up and then downloaded it. That meant the fight was ad free and I could actually enjoy watching it.
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  12. HDmexiqtioner

    HDmexiqtioner Member Full Member

    Sep 1, 2020
    A fun bout to see in deed, James "Lights Out" Toney vs. Vassiliy Jirov for the IBF Cruiserweight Championship. I love this fight, this is a gem that kinda isn't talked about a lot casually. It seems interesting, but it being a Cruiserweight Championship fight, I understand why, cause the cruiserweights rarely get huge noise mainstream wise. But, if you want to show people, what the cruiserweights are about, this is one of the fights I would show.

    James Toney, Michigan Born, Defensive wizard, high grit, Lights Out, Burger King. 7x Champion. 190 lbs, 5'9", 65-4-2 (42 KO). Cornered by Freddie Roach (this will matter later imo).
    Vissiliy Jirov, Gold Medalist, Undefeated, High KO percentage, defending champion. 188 lbs, 6'2", 31-0 (27 KO).

    Steve Smoger as the ref means we will get some fair officiating and letting boxers work in clinches.
    And supposedly (according to the broadcast, ideally the winner would have fought newly crowned heavyweight Roy Jones Jr.)

    Let's do it.

    My scorecard:

    Toney - Jirov
    Rd 1: 10-9 (Toney coming in more elusive and landing good right hands and counter shots)
    Rd 2: 9-10 (Jirov lands some good body shots and better ring generalship this round)
    Rd 3: 10-9 (Toney gets pissed from a low blow, which works because he turns it into very effective inside fighting this round)
    Rd 4: 10-9 (Jirov made to miss a lot and Toney lands the better shots)
    Rd 5: 10-9 (Good Trades and close, the uppercut landed later in the round won it for Toney imo)
    Rd 6: 10-9 (Some effective arm control lol. Good counters from Toney, Jirov warming up near the end)
    Rd 7: 9-10 (Close but activity wins the round)
    Rd 8: 9-9 (Point taken away from a low blow from Jirov, but he does enough to "win" the round and thus making it even for me)
    Rd 9: 9-10 (Slip by James Toney and it seems that Toney is slowing down.
    Rd 10: 10-9 (Big uppercut from Toney and big counter shots landed throughout)
    Rd 11: 9-10 (Good back and forth action. Another slip from Toney and a good ending rally by Jirov)
    Rd 12: 10-8 ("JT, he's out hustled you." Now Freddie Roach is speaking James Toney's speak, yeah, arguably he could be outhustled and last round was a good tipping point for Jirov. Toney is pissed at himself and Toney goes out and shows that no one just "out hustles James Toney". He did, greatly, huge trades, big bombs of shots landed on Jirov that lead to him suffering a knockdown from a huge left hook. Jirov got up though, hell of a round and fight ending."

    TOTAL 115-111 James Toney

    Fun fight, a great treat, would have been interesting to see Jones vs Toney II at heavyweight, would have been fun. But a great night at the fights, and it was free on HBO, good stuff.

    Letterman had it 113-113. Ehhhh maybe a draw, I could see it.

    Judges scored it
    UD for James Toney, wide score but they had it for the right guy, just not by that much imo.

    Give it a watch. It's some fun boxing.
  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    HD, I saw this about a year ago on @PhillyPhan69 Fight of the Week series. I had it a wee bit closer than you, but a damn good fight. This is what I wrote:

    Vassily Jirov v James Toney

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Jirov
    Round 3: 10-9 Toney
    Round 4: 10-9 Jirov
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Jirov
    Round 7: 10-9 Toney
    Round 8: 9-9 Even (Jirov's round but deducted a point for a low blow)
    Round 9: 10-9 Jirov
    Round 10: 10-9 Toney
    Round 11: 10-9 Jirov
    Round 12: 10-8 Toney (scores a knockdown)

    Total: 114-114 Draw (actual scores: 117-109, 116-110 and 117-109 all for Toney)

    IMO, this was the makeup for Toney-Tiberi. In fact, you could call it Toney-Tiberi II. By this I mean - and I scored that fight for Toney - weighing the most punches v the more substantial punches. This, of course, is up to the judge and is a very fine line. But an excellent bout, and a very close encounter.
  14. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
    Howard Davis 28-3. vs Meldrick Taylor
    Taylor is 19 here and Davis is 30. Taylor 12-0 7 KOs

    The Duvas loved throwing their guys in the deep end of the pool early. Holyfield taking on Qawi with very few fights same as Biggs. Here is Taylor 19 years old batting Howard Davis when just a few months before he was going 10 with the very capable Harold Brazier (35-6 at the time). Davis is only a couple fights and about 18 months removed from. His heartbreaking 12 round split loss to Edwin Rosario.

    Round 1
    Davis 138, Taylor 135, but Davis looks a full division or two bigger than Taylor. Taylor starting fast with a quick jab and establishes it early. Davis spends most of the round feeling things out with his own jab, but he was outworked here

    10-9 Taylor

    Round 2

    Taylor starts the round with a beautiful fast combination that finds success. Davis is content for the most part to move around the ring and fire off a jab while keeping his left low. Taylor with good ring movement getting a lot of angles on Davis. Towards the end of the round Taylor lands a nice right hand that stuns Davis, but he recovers somewhat quickly

    10-9 Taylor
    20-18 Taylor


    Taylor decides to fight Davis on the inside to mixed results as Davis begins to wake up. Both guys are landing shots now through their combination punching. Taylor making things harder for himself fighting this way. Davis lands some nice left hooks and a good shot to the body

    10-9 Davis (close)
    29-28 Taylor

    Round 4

    Taylor fights a little more on the outside and has better success, Davis still being competitive and landing shots as Taylor is pretty offensive minded. Close round

    10-9 Taylor (close)
    39-37 Taylor

    Round 5

    Davis does almost nothing the first half of the round as Taylor is pressing forward throwing combos. A lot are blocked by Davis but enough get through to score. Davis wakes up mid round and shows off some flashy moves and counters to success. Not enough for Davis though

    10-9 Taylor
    49-46 Taylor

    Round 6

    Davis starts doing his best Tyrell Biggs round 1 vs Tyson impression, hopping around on his toes throwing his jab pretty effectively. Davis is finding success countering Taylor this round and landing some nice shots. Best round from him since the second

    10-9 Davis
    58-56 Taylor

    Round 7

    Davis’ output has dropped this round and Taylor is just out working him, especially on the ropes. Diva going crazy because he’s Duva

    10-9 Taylor
    68-65 Taylor

    Round 8

    Davis sticking and moving, landing the jab and dancing all around Taylor. Occasionally he throws a right or a quick combo but he has completely nullified all of Taylor’s offense this round.

    10-9 Davis
    77-75 Taylor

    Round 9

    Davis doing less dancing here, but using distance to great effect as he is able to land his shots and simply move a step or two away from Taylor’s flurries or another Taylor when he tries something. Taylor gets a little more going than last round but not enough

    10-9 Davis

    86-85 Taylor

    Round 10

    Good back and forth round with Taylor smothering Davis on the ropes for a good portion and Davis does the same towards the end of the round, close round and close right

    10-9 Davis (close)
    95-95 Draw

    Wow a good close scrap that could of gone either way with a bunch of close rounds. Davis always the bridesmaid never the bride, gets a draw here which is fair. Taylor gets a good fight and experience drawing with the regarded Davis. Taylor of course would go on to win titles in 2 weight classes, have memorable fights with McGirt, Chavez, Aaron Davis, and Terry Norris among others.

    Davis would follow this up with a points win over 18-1 16 KOs fringe contender Othal Dixon, then a 10 round points loss to Camacho. Davis would fight for a title again being stopped by McGirt in 1 round 2 years after this.
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  15. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    The attention Estrada is getting in this thread is validating to me. I honestly don't even particularly like him, but I have massive respect for his style. It could easily be argued that he holds an undefeated record against the rest of a modern day Fab Four in Chocolatito, Cuadras and Sor Rungvisai.
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