the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

No he didn't.

This version of Wilder was awful.

 

Nah he was as good as he ever looked imo.

 

I thought he looked slow, fatter, and shows both the weight he put on and his age. There is just absolutely no way that Wilder at his career highest weight, having massive amounts of inactivity, and being 35 years old was at his best.

He looked far better a few years ago IMO.

 

A few years ago he was fighting men of a lower level. Doing what he did here, except Fury got up.

You could argue he looks better in the first fight as he didn't get knocked out, but here he has an extra 18 rounds of Fury to learn from so his experience is invaluable.

Basically if he couldn't beat Fury on this night, he couldn't beat Fury on any night, imo.

On to Spence next.

 

Frankie 'Panchito' Warren v Gene 'Mad-Dog' Hatcher

Round 1: 10-9 Warren
Round 2: 10-9 Warren
Round 3: 10-9 Warren
Round 4: 10-9 Hatcher
Round 5: 10-9 Warren
Round 6: 10-9 Warren
Round 7: 10-9 Warren
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Warren
Round 10: 10-9 Hatcher

Total: 98-93 Warren (actual scores: 98-93, 99-92, 95-94 all for Warren)

To begin, I saw this fight was out there in 3 parts and one doesn't need to be a mathematician to see the time allotment on the 3 parts will be losing a round in a 10 round contest. But I'm a fan of Frankie Warren's and wanted to see it. Sure enough, the 9th round was excused, but fortunately, I found it on another vid.

About the fight, Frankie was his usual crowding, pressuring, endless tank of energy self. Hatcher could do little when he was against the ropes being bombarded. But I did see enough of some very subtle, pinpoint uppercuts he used when Frankie was going wild or taking a breather to award Hatcher 2 rounds and a share of another. Frankie was just a rough customer for anyone and his style burned him out fast over a 3 year period of some great wins. Would love it if the bouts with Shields and Elizondo appeared. I saw the Shields bout live but not the Elizondo fight. Just loved Frankie Warren fights.

 

Edwin Rosario (c) vs. Jose Luis Ramirez, scheduled 12 rounds for the WBC lightweight championship on Nov. 3, 1984, at Hiram Bithorn Stadium in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

This is a rematch of a fight that saw Rosario successfully defend his title with a 12-round close but unanimous decision (two points on all cards) 18 months earlier.

Rosario is 24-0 (21) and a rising superstar. Ramirez is 87-5 (70) and this is probably his last big shot if he doesn’t win it.

Rosario’s purse is $200K, Ramirez’s $75K. Both weigh 135 pounds.

Don King promoted. NBC televised.

My scoring:

1 — Rosario 10-8: Edwin knocks El Zurdo down in the first 30 seconds with a right hand. Seems more of a flash knockdown but Chavo goes hard after his opponent to try to end it, unloading his heavy artillery. He finds a home for that right but doesn’t come close to forcing a stoppage.

2 — Rosario 10-8: This time it takes a minute before Rosario deposits Ramirez on the canvas, again with a right. He again unloads and does more damage, but in the last 45 seconds or so JLR begins trading on pretty even turns, especially landing well to the body as they go toe-to-toe.

3 — Ramirez 10-9: This time it’s Ramirez’s turn as he wobbles Rosario with a left uppercut and goes to town. He rakes Edwin over pretty good for the rest of the round, again making deposits to the body bank but also lands some clean and snappy head shots.

4 — Ramirez turns it up. Edwin trades with him but can’t seem to land anything strong enough to keep the challenger off him. In the final minute of the fight Ramirez lands a particularly strong left to the body and Rosario seems to deflate a bit. JLR jumps on him and uncorks everything he has. He keeps up the pressure with non-stop punching and Rosario stops punching back. Jose throws 35 unanswered punches, most landing, some not cleanly but many flush. Rosario ends up with his back to JLR facing the corner and the ref steps in after Ramirez lands a couple body shots reaching around to either side and a right hand to the ear. Stoppage time is 2:52 of the fourth.

Official cards: 29-28 x 3 favoring Rosario through three rounds (I don’t see how this can be accurate with Rosario scoring knockdowns in both of the first two rounds but that’s what Boxrec has.

My card: 29-26 (I suspect this is what the judges actually had).

This is Ring’s 1984 Fight of the Year, and deservedly so. Barnburner.

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Brook vs Spence.

Proper heartbreaking fight this. For 6 rounds Brook was well in control, looked sharper, stronger, more experienced and just like he was the better man.

But then in round 7 Spence began to break Brook down and ultimately ended up breaking his face again forcing a stoppage.

The weight drain certainly didn't help Brook here but Spence really came through the test successfully.

 

I had not watched the Ray Leonard - Marvin Hagler fight since I watched it on PPV in 1987. The first time around I scored it a draw. I remember I gave Leonard the first four rounds and Hagler the fifth but I did not remember how I scored the final seven rounds.

In the intervening 34 1/2 years we have all heard and read so much about who really won the fight, It seems that the majority agrees that Hagler deserved the nod. I was really curious to see how I would feel this time around. Once again, I scored it a draw. Given my close rounds I could have seen anywhere from 116-112 Hagler to 115-113 Leonard. So while I have no problem with Leonard's win I really struggle with judge Jose Juan Guerra scoring it 118-110 for Ray. That's ridiculous and just goes to show that bad scoring didn't start with Adelaide Byrd's 118-110 card in Golovkin-Alvarez 1. It's always been around.

One last note, even knowing the outcome, It was a really enjoyable to watch. Glad I did it.

Round 1 - 10-9 Leonard
Round 2 - 10-9 Leonard
Round 3 - 10-9 Leonard Close
Round 4 - 10-9 Leonard Close
Round 5 - 10-9 Hagler Close
Round 6 - 10-9 Leonard
Round 7 - 10-9 Hagler
Round 8 - 10-9 Hagler
Round 9 - 10-9 Hagler
Round 10 - 10-9 Hagler
Round 11 - 10-9 Leonard
Round 12 - 10-9 Hagler

114-114 A draw

 

I took my brother to this fight as an 18th birthday gift. Frankie always put forth a great effort and this was no different. Hatcher just didn't have the ammo to really make a dent in Warren's attack.

 

A Frankie Warren fight is a helluva birthday present, my man.

 

Thank you. It is one of my our favorite memories

 

I have vivid memories of the 16-year old me watching this live on TV, being fairly new to boxing at that point. This was proof to me I had chosen the right sport. What a great slugfest.

 

Tim Witherspoon v Frank Bruno (heavyweight title scheduled for 15)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Bruno
Round 3: 10-9 TW
Round 4: 10-9 Bruno
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Bruno
Round 7: 10-9 TW
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 TW
Round 10: 10-9 Bruno
Round 11: Witherspoon stops Bruno

Total through 10 completed rounds: 97-96 Bruno (actual scores: 98-96, 99-96 and 97-94 all for Witherspoon)

Clearly I was more impressed with Bruno's work, but I did have 3 Even rounds that could have swung on anyone's card, so I have no issue on how the judges saw it. I don't know, I was just very impressed with Bruno's short, jolting punches over Witherspoon's wide shots. But Witherspoon's overhand right is still a game-changer when it lands. I think after 9 rounds I heard the announcing team (I think it was Carpenter and Watt) say that had Frank comfortably in front. So, in the eye of the beholder.

 

Fights and family can just go together. My love for boxing was handed down to me by my Pop.

Two favorite memories: When I was in college, he calls me on like a Thursday and says, ‘Let’s go see Holyfield this weekend.’ So he paid for flight and hotel and admission we went to see Holy-Qawi I.

A few years later he took the whole family — mom and my two brothers plus him (of course) and me — to Atlantic City for Tyson-Spinks. But we got there a few days early and went to see special USA Network editions of “Tuesday Night Fights” (not on Tuesdays) featuring Hector Camacho main eventing one and George Foreman the other. Then the day before the fight I went to see Azumah Nelson-Lupe Suarez (ran into Angelo Dundee, who was in Lupe’s corner, and had met him before — he invited me to drop by the locker room after the fight and I got to spend a few minutes chatting with Dundee and Suarez maybe half an hour after the bout ended). And of course the Tyson-Spinks card.

Trip of a lifetime, all thanks to Pop — he took me to an amateur smoker as a kid for my first live boxing experience at a local junior high school gym.

I bet whether your brother remembers anything about the actual fight, he remembers your gift and going to the show with you and I bet he also cherishes it.

 

Joey Olivo v Myung Woo Yuh (jr. flyweight title)

Y'know, when I see a fight out there that I'd like to see, I don't read up on it or check out the scores of others because I like to make my own assessment. However, in this case, I now see that @PhillyPhan69 @roughdiamond and @George Crowcroft all warned against the missing rounds. Had I known rounds 3 and 10 were missing and the 14th round started a minute and a half into the round, I probably wouldn't have watched it. A fight like this requires full view as I had it dead even (5-5-2) with the rounds allotted. I enjoyed what I saw with Yuh, the harder puncher and Olivo using the ring and firing off his speedier, but lighter, combos. But those 2.5 rounds need to be seen. No leap of faith here with that much time missing. Bummer!