the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I plan to watch the 3rd fight later today, so I can finish off my scoring for the trilogy. Last time I see I didn't actually score it, but my impression was I felt Norton won. So it''ll be interesting to see what my score looks like on a round by round basis.

 

There was a few close rounds in Norton/Ali 2 fight which were debatable, and it also depends on how many rounds you thought Ali won in the first half. I remember rounds 2 and 5 were rounds, you could possibly give to Norton.

I don't necessarily agree with your scoring, but that's beauty of boxing. Theres so many different criteria's.

 

Exactly. I don’t belittle other people’s scorecards because there’s always room for interpretation. If Sal and Scar scored Norton-Ali 3 a draw, it makes me wonder whether there’s something I may not have been seeing.

 

Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 3

1 Ali
2 Norton
3 Norton
4 Norton
5 Norton
6 Norton
7 Ali
8 Norton
9 Ali
10 Ali
11 Ali
12 Norton
13 Norton
14 Ali
15 Ali

143-142 Norton

@Jel @scartissue So gentleman this is how i scored Norton vs Ali 3, i have to say this was such a tough fight to score. I could watch this fight 10 different times, and have a different man winning each time.

This was a fight of two halves, i liked Norton in the early part of the fight. His right hand and body shots, were for me always the telling blows and stole the early rounds for me. Ali also had a slump where he gave rounds away doing his rope a dope tactic, allowing Norton to pound away at him.

Ali in the 9th round finally started to use his footwork, and i felt he had some good success winning a majority of the rounds in the 2nd half of the fight. I also felt he clearly won the last round despite Norton's little flurry in the last 10 seconds.

Overall i have no problem with Ali being the winner, it was a very close fight and there was atleast 6 debatable rounds in the fight. You could see this fight so many different ways, do you like Ali's more consistent work with the jab. Or do you like Norton's eye catching overhand rights.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Earnie Shavers

1 Ali
2 Shavers
3 Ali
4 Shavers
5 Ali
6 Shavers
7 Shavers
8 Shavers
9 Ali
10 Ali
11 Ali
12 Ali
13 Shavers
14 Shavers
15 Ali

143-142 Ali

So this is the last of my scorecards on Ali's controversial fights, i don't want to watch the Jimmy Young fight again as that was a dreadful fight.

So the first 9 rounds or so were quite dull, apart from the 2nd round when Ali got badly rocked. Ali was clowning about too much and Shavers whilst i respect he was pacing himself, and that was a smart tactic and the right one considering Shavers didn't have the best stamina. I felt he paced himself a bit too much, there was a window of opportunity in the first 9 rounds. Were Shavers could of got a considerable lead, as Ali didn't really do much. But Shavers was content with pacing himself and i felt he was too cautious.

The 10th round the fight started to pick up, and it become a much better fight as Ali started to use his footwork. And started to actually fight instead of clowning around, for me the fight was dead level going into the 15th, but Ali stole it with his last barrage as Shavers was on the verge of being stopped.

Overall i feel like there was 4 debatable rounds 3,7,9,12, but i can't help but think that Shavers missed a trick in first 9 rounds. He could of imposed himself alot more whilst still pacing himself. I only had Shavers leading 5-4 after 9 rounds it could of been 6-3 or possibly even 7-2 had Shavers just let his hands go more.

 

I'm actually one of the people who thought Foreman beat Schulz, maybe i'll score it again and see if i have a different opinion. But i always felt Schulz/Foreman was overrated as a robbery.

 

went back and watched canelo vs ggg 1 today and it had been awhile. matter of fact i didn't remember that it had ended as a draw. for what it's worth, here's my card:

canelo ggg

1) 10 09
2) 09 10 19-19 ?
3) 09 10 28-29 ?
4) 09 10 37-39
5) 09 10 46-49
6) 09 10 55-59
7) 09 10 64-69
8) 09 10 73-79
9) 10 09 84-88
10) 10 09 94-96 ?
11) 09 10 103-106
12) 10 09 113-115

question marks denote what i saw as very close rounds. that said, there was no domination either way that i could see. i thought it was a pretty solid victory for ggg, but both guys were in every round.

 

Just watched the first Nigel Benn-Thulani Malinga bout from 1992, Benn W10 Malinga. Interesting little scrap that showed both Benn and the judges take the night off.

Actually I scored it very close, but Benn simply had the attitude and countenance of a beaten man and in no way deserved the decision. Here's how I scored it. Please note I'm scoring by the 10-point must system, regardless of how a given locality may do it.

1. Benn
2. Benn
3. Malinga
4. Malinga
5. Benn
6. Malinga
7. Even
8. Malinga
9. Malinga
10. Benn

96-95 Malinga. Guys like Malinga are going to be on the wrong side of a lot of close fights. There are counterpunchers like Sanchez or Napoles or Louis that will forcefully counter an opponent's shot and then take that opportunity to then dictate tempo and come forward to impose himself physically. Then there are counterpunchers like Malinga. These guys are different. They wait, counter a punch, then fall back and wait for it all to happen again. As a result, it rarely feels like they are "in charge" of a fight, even though in their own minds things might be proceeding exactly as might be comfortable for them.

To his credit, the later rounds saw Malinga try to exert himself more, and he easily took the 8th and 9th, with Benn looking extremely dejected and frustrated. After the first couple rounds of adjusting to and timing Benn's attack, he began to open up, if sometimes only in measured flurries. Makes for tough judging.

Not a great fight, and was disappointed to see Benn so lackluster. Fair play to Malinga, he deserved to win but Benn's popularity coupled with Malinga's naturally negative style left it at least vaguely in doubt. Sometimes that's all the excuse a judge needs.

 

Spence vs Danny Garcia

1) Garcia with occasional rights, Spence is boss, lands to the head and body.

2) meh

3) Spence advances behind a stiff jab. Oof about 1:37 Spence lands a thudding left hand. Thumped.

4) Spence advancing, bossin him. Danny gives ground.

5) Spence punches clean, outboxing, Danny inept.

6) Garcia backing the whole round until Spence backs up with less than a minute left. Sparring.

7) Spence generally busier, lands first, Danny gunshy or just not that good- he throws punches, but too mechanical and not busy enough.

8) Spence pressuring, Garcia can't/won't pull the trigger. Snore.

9) Spence jabs. Garcia content to get outboxed/output cheddar.

10) meh

11) Spence simply better.

12) meh

Clean sweep. 100-90 for Spence.

Spence unimpressive against a C+/B- fighter that belongs a weight class south. Bossed him the whole fight. Spence unimaginative and throws punches like hes paying for them.

 

Richie Sandoval v Cardenio Ulloa (bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Ulloa
Round 2: 10-8 Sandoval (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-8 Ulloa (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 5: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 8: Sandoval stops Ulloa

Total through 7 completed rounds: 67-65 Sandoval

Despite fighting on a canvas that was more akin to an ice rink than a boxing ring, the 2 fighters managed to put on a decent show. Ulloa was quite clearly a heavy-handed fighter, but his record - although very pretty at 27-0-1 - was berift of quality opponents. In fact, Sandoval was the very first fighter he fought who had a winning record, which will cause anyone to ask, 'How did he get here?' Amazingly, he later fought for the title again, again by avoiding anything with a pulse. But boxing politics aside, Ulloa had a good dig and rocked Richie in the first before dropping him in the third to make it a competitive fight.

 

Cristian Mijares v Shohei Kawashima (some crap title)

Round 1: 10-9 Mijares
Round 2: 10-9 SK
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Mijares
Round 5: 10-9 Mijares
Round 6: 10-9 SK
Round 7: 10-9 SK
Round 8: 10-9 SK
Round 9: 10-9 SK
Round 10: 10-9 SK
Round 11: 10-9 Mijares
Round 12: 10-9 SK

Total: 116-113 Kawashima (actual scores: 115-113 X 3 all for Mijares)

I've always been a fan of Mijares, but he did not win this fight. He fought in lulls and spurts whilst Kawashima fought atypical of Asian fighters. There was nothing wild or gutsy about the way he fought, which we do tend to think of with Asian fighters. Probably moreso of Koreans, who display that kind of stylistic feature. Anyways, before anyone accuses me of being stereotypical (LOL), Kawashima fought one of the most composed fights I've seen. He was never ruffled, he stuck to his jab whilst trying to sharp-shoot with his right, used the ring, cut up Mijares' left eye and I thought he did a great job except for making it a rather ordinary fight, lacking in fireworks. Even the Mexican commentator scored it even heftier than mine. He had it 118-112 for Kawashima. Again, Mijares did not win this fight.

 

spending some quality ass time at the house with the old man. here's my card from canelo vs ggg 2

canelo ggg

1) 10 - 09
2) 10 - 09
3) 10 - 09 30 - 27
4) 09 - 10 39 - 37
5) 09 - 10 48 - 47
6) 10 - 09 58 - 56
7) 09 - 10 67 - 66
8) 10 - 09 77 - 75
9) 10 - 09 87 - 84
10) 09 - 10 96 - 94
11) 09 - 09 105 - 104
12) 10 - 09 115 - 113 canelo

ggg is done with regards to canelo. not saying this is just but ggg looked slower and canelo looked faster/stronger and improved his stamina besides. the next time out 80/20 canelo by stoppage. nobody beats the clock in the end.

 

Duran vs Leonard 1

1 Leonard
2 Duran
3 Duran
4 Duran
5 Leonard
6 Leonard
7 Leonard
8 Leonard
9 Duran
10 Leonard
11 Duran
12 Duran
13 Duran
14 Duran
15 Leonard

143-142 Duran

I thought this was a very close fight, and i could actually see an argument for Leonard maybe edging this fight. Duran clearly won rounds 2-4, but Leonard had a good spell between 5-8. At times he was able to make Duran back up the ropes, and i felt Leonard outpunched and landed the more effective punches than Duran in these rounds.

I actually had Leonard ahead after 10 rounds, but Duran really upped the pace in the final 4 rounds. Landing the harder more effective punches and was the non stop aggressor, rounds 13 and 14 were fairly competitive though. And you can maybe make an argument Leonard may of won one of these rounds. But i gave them both to Duran as i liked his effective aggression, and i felt he landed the harder punches.

Duran gave away the 15th round by clowning, which was kind of a silly thing to do. As the fight was competitive and close, so kind of bizarre thing to do but in the end it didn't matter.

Overall i think this fight has developed a kind of a myth, that Leonard got beaten up and beaten convincingly. Yes Leonard did fight the wrong fight, but he was able to fight off the ropes very effectively. And there's even a few times in the fight where he backed Duran up, and was able to go punch for punch with Duran, for me this was a very competitive fight that Duran edged based on the later rounds. But in no way did Duran win this fight convincingly in my view.

 

Leonard vs Hearns 2

1 Even
2 Hearns
3 Hearns 10-8 knockdown
4 Leonard
5 Leonard
6 Hearns
7 Hearns
8 Hearns
9 Leonard
10 Leonard
11 Hearns 10-8 knockdown
12 Leonard

115-112 Hearns

I felt 1st round was close Hearns was able to keep the fight on the outside with his jab, but there wasn't actually many clean punches scored. The two clean right hands from Leonard later in the round caught my eye, and i felt them two right hands were enough to make it an even round, even though Hearns was able to control the distance for 2 minutes of the round, Hearns still didn't land many effective punches apart from a few jabs.

Rounds 2-5 were pretty easy rounds to score, and i think two for Leonard and two for Hearns. Is pretty much only score you could have here.

Round 6 is another round which was kind of close, Leonard was able to be competitive in this round. But Hearns just landed too many jabs, and even though Leonard was able to jab with Hearns in this 2nd half of this round, and land a few nice punches in the last part of the round. Hearns for me controlled the round with his jab.

Round 7 Hearns hurt Leonard early on, but Leonard was able to mount a comeback in the 2nd half of the round. This is another round which was kind of close, but i don't think Leonard did enough to win it. Hearns did too much damage and too much work early on, for the tide to be turned for Leonard.

Rounds 8-12 were easy to score, and i think 3 Leonard and 2 for Hearns is the only score you could have here.

Overall i felt i was pretty fair to Leonard with my scoring in this fight, and i still can't see a draw for Leonard. The 2 knockdowns were too much of a deficit, and even though Leonard had big rounds in 5 and 12, they were not dominant enough rounds to warrant a 10-8 round.

At worst for Hearns without being biased, i could possibly see 114-112 for Hearns. But i really can't see how the judges came up with a draw, they must of scored the close 1st round to Leonard, and had Leonard winning rounds 6 or 7 just because he was competitive in those rounds.

 

D, this is how I had it. We're very close on how we saw it.

Tommy Hearns v Sugar Ray Leonard II

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Hearns
Round 3: 10-8 Hearns (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Leonard
Round 5: 10-8 Leonard (very dominant round IMO)
Round 6: 10-9 Hearns
Round 7: 10-9 Hearns
Round 8: 10-9 Hearns
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Leonard
Round 11: 10-8 Hearns (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Leonard

Total: 115-112 Hearns (actual scores: 113-112 Hearns, 113-112 Leonard and a 112-112 Even for a Draw. Also, Harold Lederman scored it 115-111 for Hearns)

Damn good fight. Two rounds that were really up to the beholder - I felt - was rounds 5 and 9. I rewatched round 5 after question-marking it and felt it should be a 2 point round for SRL for a very dominant round. However, round 9 I did not just give that to Leonard for stunning Tommy, because I felt Tommy was having a good round until then. Scoring that round Even felt accurate to me. Anyways, again, good fight.