the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Angel Manfredy v Wilson Rodriguez (12 rounds)

Round 1: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 4: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 5: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 6: 10-9 Rodriguez
Round 7: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 8: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 9: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 10: 10-8 Rodriguez (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 12: 10-9 Manfredy

Total: 117-111 Manfredy (actual scores: 117-110, 116-111 and another 116-111 all for Manfredy)

To begin, this was one of the most beautiful jobs of boxing I've seen. Manfredy threw beautiful, sharp, clean punches with unerring accuracy as opposed to the heavy-handed Rodriguez. A few hiccups along the way but the pin-point punching by Manfredy to body and head was something I felt like applauding. I just really enjoyed this fight that exemplified the art of boxing.

 

Michael Nunn vs Donald Curry 10/18/1990

Round 1: 10-9 Curry. Very close round. Curry landing good, compact hooks. Nunn with some smooth combinations scoring with uppercuts.
Round 2: 10-9 Nunn
Round 3: 10-9 Curry based on backing him up and throwing more meaningful shots. Like that spearing body jab.
Round 4: 10-9 Curry. Very close round but Nunn spending too much of the round shelled up getting whaled on.
Round 5: 10-10. Nunn came on at end of round but not enough to win it back imo.
Round 6: 10-9 Nunn. Great round.
Round 7: 10-8 Nunn. Nunn taking over.
Round 8: 10-9 Nunn
Round 9: 10-9 Nunn
Round 10: Nunn stops Curry

My card going to final round: 87-84 Nunn

 

Marvin Johnson TKO10 Mate Parlov

I'll be blunt, this was not a great fight. It was about as one-sided a title-winning performance for a challenger as I can remember.

Parlov fights in what was known then as "The European Style." Upright, stiff, jab, jab, right, clinch. Repeat. Two key differences between him and a heavy bag though; he's left-handed, and retreats to the ropes more.

I'll give Parlov this though; he's exceptionally tough, absorbing all the artillery Johnson can muster. He loses every round but he's game to a fault. In reality, his style is custom made for a relentless, aggressive fighter like Johnson. Parlov needs space and an opponent with a more stand-back style to allow him to work at a comfortable jaunt but Johnson has him on his heels from the opening bell, never giving him a chance to set himself and mount any kind of attack. He absorbs fearsome shots round after round but finally in the tenth, a right hook sends the champion skidding to the canvas and a follow up flurry floors him again. The ref wisely waves it off, and Johnson is the new champion.

1. Johnson
2. Johnson
3. Johnson
4. Johnson
5. Johnson
6. Johnson
7. Johnson
8. Johnson
9. Johnson
10. Parlov is floored twice and stopped.

90-81 Johnson at the time of the stoppage.

 

Pops wasn’t going to give anyone time to set and dictate terms. He was hell bent for leather all the time.

Michael Spinks iced him with one shot but Marvin was on him like a cheap suit from the start. Saad of course went to war.

Love me some Pops. One of my favorite guys ever to watch.

 

Sot Chitalda v Hideaki Kamishiro (flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Kamishiro
Round 2: 10-9 Sot
Round 3: 10-9 Sot
Round 4: 10-9 Sot
Round 5: 10-9 Sot
Round 6: 10-9 Sot
Round 7: 10-9 Sot
Kamishiro is retired between rounds

Total through 7 completed rounds: 69-64 Chitalda (actual scores: 69-63, 70-62 and 70-63 all for Chitalda)

I was in the mood for a little Chitalda today and this shows what a monster he was at flyweight. Kamishiro took the first round on my card with some neat boxing and was competitive in the second as well, but it seemed like every punch Sot landed hurt. And it was just a matter of time after Kamishiro suffered a bad cut on the right eye and by the 7th had another one developing on the left. By this time all he had left was his pluckiness and that wasn't going to get him to the deep end of the pool. He was rightly retired when he was. I was curious how he ended up his career. Well, as it turns out, he was only 7-0 going into this fight and this was his last fight. This is what I rail on about at times. The WBC, for all their BS about ring safety, and they OK a title fight between a dominant champion and a 7 bout novice. What a hypocrisy. And that thumping likely discouraged what I saw as a bright prospect.

 

Mike McCallum vs Michael Watson WBA Middleweight Title 4/14/1990

I had most of the fight scored then took a break before the 11th round and lost my comment so not gonna rescore it I had it 8-1-1 for McCallum entering the 11th round when McCallum stopped Watson.

Most fighters will go their whole lives without putting on the performance Watson did in this fight but he was just in against a superior fighter.

 

Oscar De La Hoya vs Pernell Whitaker 4/12/97 - WBC Welterweight Title

Round 1: 10-9 Pea. Controlled DLH with the jab.
Round 2: 10-10. Too close to call. ODLH made some good adjustments but sweet pea still in control for a lot of the round.
Round 3: 10-8 ODLH. ODLH barely won the round, but apparently Whitaker had a point deducted for an intetional headbutt (according to the announcer)
Round 4: 10-9 ODLH
Round 5: 10-9 Pea
Round 6: 10-9 ODLH. very close.
Round 7: 10-9 ODLH. his handspeed and power is edging the close rounds for me. Pea's got the superior jab and footwork but he's getting hit too often to win the rounds off just those.
Round 8: 10-9 Pea. this close one goes to Pea because he controlled the pace.
Round 9: 10-8 Pea. ODLH slowing down. I really don't think that was a legit knockown by Pea upon replay but gotta score it as such. Besides, I think the point deduction in 3 was BS so that cancels it out.
Round 10: 10-9 Pea.
Round 11: 10-9 Pea. Whitaker just so cagey it's really amazing. A complete fighter, plus all the veteran tricks.
Round 12: 10-9 ODLH. Very close nobody did much but Whitaker really seemed to take a lot of the round off.

114-114 Draw

Actual Cards: 115-111, 116-110x2 for ODLH

When I watched the fight the first time without scoring years ago I thought Pea edged it and it was a total robbery, probably because of how wide the scorecards were. But honestly if you lean ODLH on all the close rounds (since most were close) I can see getting into that territory. Good fight. Some top level boxing, good exchanges, occasional rough/dirty tactics.

 

Finally getting around to finishing the trilogy. Haven't seen this since '74.

Muhammad Ali v Joe Frazier II (NY rounds scoring basis)

Round 1: Ali
Round 2: Ali
Round 3: Ali
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Ali
Round 6: Ali
Round 7: Frazier
Round 8: Frazier
Round 9: Ali
Round 10: Frazier
Round 11: Ali
Round 12: Frazier

Total: 7-4-1 Ali (actual scores: 7-4-1, 6-5-1 and 8-4 all for Ali)

We all know Frazier is a slow starter, but IMO, he didn't put together a sustained attack until that 7th round. Ali, ever the ring general, was always able to keep combos in Joe's face throughout, even if many of them had little on it. It wasn't FOTC, but hey, it was Ali and Frazier and always an event.

 

Shannon Briggs vs George Foreman - Lineal HW Championship - 11/22/97

Round 1: 10-9 Briggs
Round 2: 10- 9 Foreman (close)
Round 3: 10-9 Foreman
Round 4: 10-9 Foreman
Round 5: 10-9 Foreman
Round 6: 10-9 Briggs
Round 7: 10-9 Briggs
Round 8: 10-9 Foreman
Round 9: 10-9 Foreman (close)
Round 10: 10-9 Briggs
Round 11: 10-9 Foreman (close)
Round 12: 10-9 Briggs (close)

My card: 115-113 Foreman
Actual Cards: 114-114 Draw and 117-113 and 116-112 Briggs for Briggs MD victory.

My card is closer than the fight felt because George had some dominant rounds. Still think Briggs by 4 points is insane

 

I too had Foreman the winner by 2 points, at 116-114. One could possibly make a case for the 114-114, but the other 2........?

 

Ricardo Mayorga v Vernon Forrest II (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 3: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 4: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 5: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 6: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Forrest
Round 9: 10-9 Forrest
Round 10: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 11: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 12: 10-9 Forrest

Total: 117-113 Mayorga (actual scores: 116-112 and a 115-114 both for Mayorga with a 114-114 for a majority win for Mayorga)

It's not that Forrest wasn't more skilled than Mayorga, because he was. However, he just didn't possess the kind of oomph in his punches that could keep this rampaging maniac off of him. Harold Lederman summed it up perfectly, when he said Mayorga simply mugged Forrest. The decision should have been read, "Winner by way of mugging...."

 

Miguel Cotto vs Rocky Martinez
Round 1: A very dominant round for Cotto. He was scoring heavily with left hooks to the body and started to pour more combinations as the round progresses. Martinez also is great guy, always stood there and choose to swing wildly and trade with Cotto. - Cotto

Round 2: Cotto started the round by hitting Martinez with a hellacious low blow. Martinez got up and the two would stand and toe to toe firing murderous combinations at each other. Cotto was simply more effective and precise with his shots and consistently hurt his opponent. A great left hook to the body would ultimately stop Martinez on his tracks, it was a courageous effort shown by Martinez as well as a good performance by Cotto. - Knockout

Thoughts: Great but a bit one sided fight. Recommend you guys to watch it tho if you haven't

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Completing my mini-fixation today with Ricardo Mayorga with:

Oscar DeLaHoya v Ricardo Mayorga (jr. middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 ODLH (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 ODLH
Round 3: 10-9 ODLH
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 ODLH
Round 6: Oscar drops Mayorga twice and the fight is stopped

Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-45 ODLH (actual scores: 50-44, 49-45 and another 49-45 for Oscar)

This should have been called 'emphatic payback' for Mayorga insulting Oscar's wife and Oscar's manhood before the fight. But this was part of Mayorga's magic. He was great at stirring a pot before a fight. It's just that he really went a bit too far and paid for it. But it was a decent fight while it lasted with bombs away.

 

Cool seeing such a young Cotto. I was always amazed at how he could manage to squeeze down to 140 for such a broad fighter. He looked dynamite here.

 

Evander Holyfield vs Dwight Muhammad Qawi 1

1 Holyfield
2 Holyfield
3 Holyfield
4 Qawi
5 Qawi
6 Qawi
7 Qawi
8 Holyfield
9 Holyfield
10 Qawi
11 Holyfield
12 Holyfield
13 Holyfield
14 Holyfield
15 Qawi

144-140 Holyfield

There was a point deduction i believe between rounds 11-14, i only found out after the fight there was a point deduction. So since i don't know what round it was i don't know which round to give 10-8, so i'll just round it off with 144-140 for Holyfield.

So i rewatched this fight after seeing Holyfield vs Qawi thread recently, i'm not gonna go into too much detail. As i think everyone here knows what an amazing fight this is, so you don't need me to state the obvious. What i will say is despite this being an amazing fight i felt Holyfield won it quite clearly.

The first 3 rounds were very easy to score, with Holyfield clearly out punching Qawi and keeping it range. The momentum then changed and Qawi started to close the distance and bang away at Holyfield on the inside, i thought Qawi had a very good period between rounds 4-7 where he made it his kind of fight. But then Holyfield seemed to get his 2nd wind and started giving as good he got on the inside, outpunching Qawi with combinations despite Qawi holding his own very well.

The middle rounds were competitive and each men had good periods, but for me where this fight was clearly won from Holyfield was in rounds 11-14. Holyfield won these rounds quite convincingly in my book especially rounds 12-14, Holyfield clearly had the much better workrate down the stretch out punching Qawi 2 to 1. And despite Qawi coming back with a good 15th round, Holyfield just done too much work down the stretch to take a close but clear decision overall.

Lastly i found it quite strange the referee, never made it really apparent he took a point away. The commentators only knew after the referee told them after the fight was finished, and i or they didn't know in what round.

Overall an amazing fight great heart from both fighters.