the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Jel

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    Humberto Soto v Urbano Antillon

    Very good fight between the face-first Antillon and the Crafty Little Fox Soto. The scores from the judges were much tighter than I had it, whether that was because they were rewarding Antillon for coming forward and ‘making the fight’ or they got a different impression of the relative impact of both fighters punches at ringside, I don’t know.

    But watching this on TV I felt Soto had the measure of Antillon and more and more as the fight went on. You could accuse Soto of trying to steal rounds with eye-catching flurries but he was the more accurate puncher, put combinations together better and hurt Antillon more.

    Still, every round was competitive because Antillon refused to wilt and kept coming forward. His face was a mess by the end, and while a boxer’s face can sometimes give a misleading impression of what is happening in a fight, here I felt it was reflective of the outcome.

    1 10-9 (lively opening round with the more eye catching flurries from Soto)
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 10-9 (terrific action)
    4 10-9 (good round from Soto)
    5 10-8 (point deduction for Antillon after being warned twice by the ref for going low)
    6 9-10 (Antillon’s best round since the second. Gave Soto some trouble and temporarily wobbled him)
    7 10-9 (Antillon started well but Soto staggered him a couple of times and was battering him by the end of the round)
    8 10-9
    9 10-9
    10 10-9 (Soto is stealing rounds with flurries and more accurate punching)
    11 9-10 (close. Soto took the round off)
    12 10-9 (close)

    Soto 117-110 Antillon
     
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  2. Del Boy

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    James Toney - Samuel Peter 1

    1. 10-9
    2. 10-9
    3. 9-10
    4. 10-9*
    5. 9-10
    6. 10-9
    7. 10-9*
    8. 10-9*
    9. 9-9
    10. 9-10
    11. 9-10*
    12. 9-10*

    114-113 Toney.

    By the end of the fight I did not realise how close I had it. The pointless fouls by Peter in the 9th cost him the draw for me.
    Toneys jab was great early on and he made Peter miss quiet easily. But it’s clear some of peters big shots slowed Toney down later on allowing Peter to take the later rounds for me despite being fatigued himself.
    Watching Toney clearly hurt my Peters big rights, especially in round 3, it makes me wonder if some more active punching heavy weights, Tua, Briggs or another Nigerian could actually have stopped heavyweight James Toney.
    Toney won for me but at least 5 swing rounds so I’d understand a different card. Doug Fischer at ringside seemed to have the opposite to mine.
     
  3. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Bennie Briscoe vs Carlos Marks - UNDERRATED SHORT FIGHT
    Round 1: Not much beef between the two. Briscoe like usual started slow and didn't put much pressure. - Briscoe

    Round 2: Lots of action. Marks unexpectedly dropped Briscoe with a left hook. Briscoe got up and immediately chased after Marks as if he was hurt. They compete in several exciting exchanges. - Draw

    Round 3: Easily the most entertaining round in this bout. Briscoe turns up the gear and puts more pressure onto his opponent. Briscoe was relentless but Carlos fought back well. They went through some savage exchanges. - Briscoe

    Round 4: Briscoe quickly got up from his stool and finished Carlos in less than 10 seconds. - Knockout

    Thoughts: Carlos is one of those typical gutsy fighters who tried his best to fight a boxer way above his caliber and showed tremendous heart and effort. The fact that he became the first man to drop Briscoe is just incredible. A very, very underrated short fight I highly recommend you guys watch

    Highlights I made on my channel:
     
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  4. scartissue

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    Scott Harrison v Tom 'Boom-Boom' Johnson (Inter-Crap featherweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Harrison
    Round 3: 10-9 Harrison
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 6: 10-9 Harrison
    Round 7: 10-9 Harrison
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Johnson
    Round 10: 10-9 Harrison
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Harrison

    Total: 118-114 Harrison ( actual scores: 117-113, 119-111 and 119-109 all for Harrison)

    Another bout that came recommended to me. No big drama in this contest except for being nice and steady, but clean punching from both. Johnson, the jaded veteran at 36, did well when he worked the body, but Harrison just too young, too strong. I actually enjoyed this contest for the fast, steady punching by both combatants. I also felt those last two scores from the judges were ridiculously one-sided. I think they had their minds made up before the evening started.
     
  5. Jel

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    James Kirkland v Alfredo Angulo

    Recommended by @OP_TheJawBreaker,
    thought I should check this out. Ultimately a one-sided affair but the fight started with one of the best opening rounds you’ll ever see.

    1 9-10
    (Holy ****! What an opener. Kirkland comes out swinging, gets stunned and put down, then takes an almighty battering from Angulo and is on the verge of being stopped. But then… Kirkland manages to fight back and batters Angulo and puts him down. I still gave it to Angulo but it was an incredible 3 minutes)
    2 10-9 (Kirkland starts the round as he finished the last one. Angulo fights back well towards the end of the round)
    3 10-9 (close)
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    (49-46)
    6 Kirkland TKO Angulo
     
  6. Dynamicpuncher

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    Michael Spinks vs. Eddie Davis

    1 Davis
    2 Spinks
    3 Spinks
    4 Davis
    5 Spinks
    6 Spinks
    7 Spinks
    8 Davis
    9 Davis
    10 Spinks
    11 Davis
    12 Spinks

    115-113 Spinks

    So i said i would watch this fight eventually @salsanchezfan

    This was a very enjoyable fight, Davis showed great defensive skills making Spinks miss alot, and Spinks showed a tremendous heart of champion, even on an off night never stopped trying for the KO.

    Me personally i slightly preferred Spinks's more eye catching harder punches, yes Davis did make Spinks miss an awful alot of punches with some magnificent head movement. But the problem was he'd often make Spinks miss and not make him pay, to Davis's credit there would be rounds where he would fight 3 minutes of round, with effective aggression and good defensive skills. But then there would be rounds like between 5-7. Where Davis showed alot of defensive skills, but he wasn't throwing enough punches and allowed Spinks to get off first. And despite Spinks missing punches there would be times, where Spinks would connect with some very flush punches.

    In all honesty there's so many close rounds in this fight, and i wouldn't argue a win for either man or a draw. Davis has a strong argument with his effective aggression and defense, and Spinks also has a strong argument for landing the harder punches. Me personally i do appreciate good defense, but too many times in the fight Davis just wouldn't make Spinks pay for the misses. And Spinks would steal rounds just being busier and getting off first, and as i said before not all of Spinks's punches missed, and when they did land they were very effective.

    Lastly two of the judges scorecards were a joke, and i'm sure you don't need me to tell you this. I think a rematch would of been interesting between Davis/Spinks, also Qawi was at ringside and he himself wanted a rematch vs Spinks. Personally i would of liked to have seen both rematches but it wasn't to be.

    But all in all a very good fight, one of the more underrated Light Heavyweight fights of the 80s.
     
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  7. Mike Cannon

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    Like a small band of fighter's Briscoe didn't sit between rounds a wee bit of trivia .
     
  8. Philly161

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    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez 2 - WBC Super Featherweight Title

    Round 1: 10-10. Pac landed more but JMM landed the biggest shot of the round.
    Round 2: 10-9 JMM. Damn these rounds are hard to score. Was leaning towards Pac but a left hook at end of round rocked Manny. Honestly could have been another even round.
    Round 3: 10-8 Pac. Shoulda been a 10-7 really Marquez grabbed the rope to hold himself up at the end of the round.
    Round 4: 10-9 Pac. Close round.
    Round 5: 10-9 JMM
    Round 6: 10-9 JMM. Marquez timing is incredible. Manny makes adjustments, then JMM adjusts his timing to counter effectively.
    Round 7: 10-9 JMM. Close round.
    Round 8: 10-9 JMM. Marquez's best round
    Round 9: 10-9 JMM
    Round 10: 10-9 Pac. Cut on Marquez's eye is awful.
    Round 11: 10-9 Pac. Close round.
    Round 12: 10-9 JMM

    My score: 115-113 Marquez. I thought marquez was in control by the middle rounds until that bad cut let Pac back in the fight. But I still think he edged it. Very hard fight to score though. Enough close rounds to go either way or a draw.

    Lederman's card: 115-112 Pac

    Official Cards: 115-112 JMM, 115-112 Pac, 114-113 Pac for a Pac win by SD.
     
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  9. Fogger

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    Erik Morales - Marco Antonio Barrera 1 - WBC & WBO Super bantamweight Titles

    I'.ve never seen this fight and I am really looking forward to it.

    Round 1 - 10-9 Barrera - Barrera came out strong and it took almost a minute for Morales to get into it but once he did it was great action the rest of the way.
    Round 2 - 10-9 Barrera (Very Close) - A lot of hard punches connected by both men and even more missed or were blocked.
    Round 3 - 10-9 Morales (Close) - Another round that could go either way. I felt MAB slowed down enough in the last minute for Morales to nick the round.
    Round 4 - 10-9 Morales (Very Close) I think I should just assume all of the rounds with be won by razor thin margins.
    Round 5 - 10-9 Morales - Morales pounded Barrera throughout the first half of the round. Barrera responded well but not well enough.
    Round 6 - 10-9 Morales - Morales was more active and landed the better punches.
    Round 7 - 10-9 Morales - Much like round 5, El Terrible fought for three minutes and MAB didn't.
    Round 8 - 10-9 Barrera - Nice round for Barrera who took advantage of Morales' lull in his energy level.
    Round 9 - 10-9 Barrera - This round was a great example of quality punching beating beating quantity punching.
    Round 10 - 10-9 Barrera - MAB landed the better shots.
    Round 11 - 10-9 Barrera (Close) - I had Morales slightly ahead until the last 45 seconds. when El Terrible was shaken up.
    Round 12 - 10 - 8 Barrera - Morales goes down in the last 30 seconds of a great fight.

    My score - 115-112 Barrera

    Actual scores 114-114 Barrera and 114-113, 115-112 for Morales.

    What an interesting fight to score. Morales throws wider punches so his shots are more noticeable and it is easier to detect when he lands. Barrera does great work on the inside and this is a classic example of a fight where the judges can see things differently based on the side of the ring they occupied. Lastly, this fight was really back and forth yet, somehow, I scored five consecutive rounds for Morales followed by five straight rounds for MAB. Perhaps I am a tad flawed.
     
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  10. scartissue

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    After recently watching Angel Manfredy against Wilson Rodriguez, I got on a Manfredy kick today.

    Angel Manfredy v John Brown

    This was one of the finest exhibitions of fast, clean punching by both combatants I've seen. And I only wish I could have seen more but this was highlights only. But it had me craving for more.

    Diego Corrales v Angel Manfredy (jr. lightweight title)

    The dimensional difference between these two was amazing with Corrales looking like he was in with a boy. But Manfredy came back on my card to win the 2nd round after a disastrous first round where he was dropped. But it couldn't last forever as Corrales was on a different plane this night and dropped Angel twice in the 3rd before stopping him.

    Angel Manfredy v Moises Pedroza

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Pedroza
    Round 3: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 4: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 5: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 6: 10-9 Manfredy
    Round 7: Manfredy stops Pedroza

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-56 Manfredy

    Pedroza was a hard puncher from Columbia that was being pushed as the next terror in the dicision. However, he simply lacked the fundamentals and was sorely exposed by Manfredy's steady boxing. I do agree with the announcers, though. The bout was stopped a tad too soon.
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Michael Spinks v Eddie Davis (light heavyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Davis
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 4: 10-9 Davis
    Round 5: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 8: 10-9 Davis
    Round 9: 10-9 Davis
    Round 10: 10-9 Spinks
    Round 11: 10-9 Davis
    Round 12: 10-9 Davis

    Total: 116-114 Eddie Davis (actual scores: 115-114, 119-109 and 118-111 all for Spinks)

    Not too shabby, D. Aside from me having 2 rounds Even that you had for Spinks, we only disagreed on the 12th. With the closeness of both cards, we were clearly watching the same fight, as was Carol Castellano with her 115-114 score. But the other two officials, they should have just mailed in their score, because they were clearly not even watching.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Theres atleast 6 close rounds in this fight, the first 4 rounds especially. You could end up with wildly different scores.

    I'm just wondering because two of the judges had it so wide. That there wasn't much push for a rematch, had there been if it was SD either way. Which really it should of been as it was that close.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    As I’ve pointed out before, a close, very competitive fight can have a wide scorecard.

    If one guy edges every round in a 10-rounder, and all of them are razor close, he wins 100-90. Doesn’t mean he dominated those rounds. If Spinks wins all six of those close rounds in the eyes of a judge plus the ones that he won by wider margins, you end up with a wide margin.
     
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    Timothy Bradley v Ruslan Provodnikov

    1 9-10 (Bradley lucky not be called for a knockdown. Terrific opening round)
    2 9-10 (Bradley hurt several times)
    3 10-9 (better boxing from Bradley after being hurt in the first two rounds)
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 9-10 (Bradley hurt again)
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    9 10-9
    10 10-9
    11 9-10
    12 8-10 (Bradley loses his legs again and finally goes down)

    Bradley 114-113 Provodnikov
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    For me this fight sums up the saying "Bradley won the battle, but lost the war."

    I think Bradley did win the fight legitimately, although had that knockdown. Been scored in the 1st round for Provodnikov, it might of been a different story.

    From what I remember about this fight, is that anytime Provodnikov opened up. He'd have Bradley in trouble. But overall Provodnikov wasn't active enough, and allowed Bradley to steal rounds by out boxing him.

    Provodnikov always reminded me of a Welterweight in the 90s "Jose Luis Lopez". Both fighters were tough as old boots, both had very good chins, and when they opened up they looked great. But often they were too lazy with there offense overall, which is why they both lost close fights. Lopez to Quartey and Page, and Provodnikov to Bradley and Algieri.
     
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