the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Renaldo Snipes v Johnny Du Plooy

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Du Plooy
Round 3: 10-9 Du Plooy
Round 4: 10-9 Du Plooy
Round 5: 10-9 Du Plooy
Round 6: 10-9 Snipes
Round 7: A point is deducted from Du Plooy for some infraction and late in the round he quits.

Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-56 Du Plooy

Despite dressing Du Plooy up by putting Lou Duva in his corner, it was the same old Johnny Du Plooy. Big banger, no fundamentals, no gas tank and no heart. Duva comically tried to say, "Hey, he was only looking for his mouthpiece!". But everyone saw he bailed. Snipes just outlasted him. Johnny was spent and quit. There was always drama in a Johnny Du Plooy fight.

 

Watched the whole Morales-Barrera trilogy over and scored it.

Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera 1

Round 1: 10-9 MAB
Round 2: 10-9 MAB. Very close.
Round 3: 10-9 MAB. Another really close one.
Round 4: 10-9 Morales
Round 5: 10-10 Even. All time great round.
Round 6: 10-9 Morales. Damn I forgot how many low blows Barrera threw this fight.
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 MAB
Round 9: 10-9 MAB
Round 10: 10-9 Morales. Very close.
Round 11: 10-9 MAB
Round 12: 10-8 MAB. Knockdown was BS but was called a KD so 10-8 Barerra.

My score: 117-112 Barrera. Barrera's body work (despite the low blows) was beautiful and I think forced Morales' hands down and allowed MAB to land some big right hands upsairs. Morales seemed legitimately thrown off by how ferocious Barrera was especially early in the fight. Pretty well known he didn't think much of Barrera too so probably was overconfident going in.

Judges Scores: 114-113 and 115-112 for Morales, 114-113 for Barrera for SD win for Morales.

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Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera 2

Round 1: 10-9 Morales
Round 2: 10-9 Morales. Barrera fighting on the back foot and it's not working.
Round 3: 10-9 Morales. Close round.
Round 4: 10-9 Morales. Barrera not active enough.
Round 5: 10-9 Morales. MAB should really stop trying to outbox Morales.
Round 6: 10-9 MAB
Round 7: 10-9 Morales. Close.
Round 8: 10-9 Morales. Barrera landed one really good combination but was too inactive that round.
Round 9: 10-9 MAB
Round 10: 10-9 Morales
Round 11: 10-9 MAB. Close.
Round 12: 10-9 MAB. Close.

My Score: 116-112 Morales. Barrera saved too much for the 2nd half. He took the last 2 rounds because there was more on his punches, but imo Morales had banked too many rounds in the first half of the fight.

Judges Scores: 115-113 x2 and 116-112 all for Barrera for a UD win for MAB. This seems like a case of trying to rectify the dubious decison from the first fight. Reminds me of the rematch between Holyfield and Lewis where I felt it was a draw but it was given to Lewis because Lewis was robbed in the first fight. Also to set up the trilogy.

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Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera 3

Round 1: 10-9 MAB
Round 2: 10-10 Even. Great back and forth round.
Round 3: 10-10 Even. Another one too close to call for me.
Round 4: 10-9 MAB
Round 5: 10-9 MAB
Round 6: 10-9 MAB. Big round for Barrera
Round 7: 10-9 Morales
Round 8: 10-9 Morales. Morales finally made some adjustments.
Round 9: 10-9 MAB. Close
Round 10: 10-9 MAB
Round 11: 10-9 MAB
Round 12: 10-10 Even. Fitting final round to an amazing trilogy.

My score: 118-113 Barrera.

Judges Score: 114-114 and 115-114, 115-113 for Barrera for Barrera MD win.

I thought this was the clearest of the 3 fights and that Barrera won.

Barrera's defense was a huge factor to me in all 3 fights. Morales really seemed to want to make a point that Barrera wasn't hurting him, and was dropping his hands a lot. Barrera, on the other hand, was catching a ton of shots on the gloves and elbows. Morales is one of my favorite fighters but Barrera just had his number imo.

 

Good grief, wasn't this an awful fight?

 

Jel, finally getting around to this.

Brandon Rios v Mike Alvarado I (10 rounds)

Round 1: 10-9 Rios
Round 2: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 3: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 4: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 5: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 6: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 7: Rios stops Alvarado

Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-55 Alvarado (actual scores: 57-57, 57-57 and a 58-56 for Rios)

I watched this when it took place but did not score and kept myself secluded from the actual scores before re-watching this. It was as you said, @Jel so different from the actual scores. Every round tight, which could go either way, and every round a war. Jel and I only agreed on rounds 3, 4 and 6 (although I came very close to scoring that 2nd round Even as well). Just a tremendous war where Alvarado did his best work from the outside and Rios in the trenches. Highly recommend this. Thanks again, @Jel

 

Hello relatively new poster.

The purpose of this thread is for you (and me and anyone) to watch a fight, score it and give your account of it here. It’s my favorite thread on Classic (which is my favorite forum) — you can learn so much from other peoples’ accounts of fights, decide to go watch ourselves when someone gives a fight a good review, etc.

Watch, score and jump right in!

 

Drake Thadzi W12 James Toney

Here we see a James Toney supposedly intent on regaining his old firm for a rematch with Roy Jones, but he doesn't appear to understand the concept of "respecting the process." He appears satisfied with working only the first 30 seconds of a round while Thadzi bulled him around the ring for the remainder, all the while cuffing Toney around the arms, shoulders, and sides with punches that rarely landed flush but kept the smaller Tonay busy covering up just in case one actually might sneak through.

Toney was just outworked here, plain and simple. There was nothing about Thadzi that was terribly imposing or great, but James was in one of his "I'm not working today " moods we saw so often late in his career. He deserved to lose.

1. Toney
2. Even
3. Thadzi
4. Thadzi
5. Toney
6. Thadzi
7. Thadzi
8. Toney
9. Thadzi
10. Thadzi
11. Thadzi
12. Even

117-114 Thadzi.

 

I remember when this result happened (which was relatively close to his Griffin 2 loss) and thinking that was it for Toney, on to journeyman status. How wrong I was!

 

Angel Manfredy vs Wilson Rodriguez

1 Manfredy
2 Manfredy
3 Manfredy
4 Rodriguez
5 Manfredy
6 Manfredy
7 Manfredy
8 Rodriguez
9 Manfredy
10 Rodriguez scores a knockdown 10-8
11 Manfredy
12 Manfredy

116-111 Manfredy

I thought Manfredy clearly won the fight with clean effective punching/effective aggression. Manfredy was able to constantly land solid punches, especially the right hand being the key weapon with Rodriguez keeping that left hand too low.

Rodriguez would have moments when he would open up with combinations, especially the 4th round where he wobbled Manfredy at the end of the round. But mostly Manfredy was the man in control with his clean effective punching, as Rodriguez wasn't able to sustain any type of attack, as Manfredy often showed underrated head movement to shut down his offence.

I have to say before the 10th round started, i witnessed something very strange which i hadn't seen before. So according to the translator Rodriguez didn't want to come out for the 10th round, and the corner literally have to force Rodriguez out of his corner. Rodriguez was angry i guess ? at his corner forcing him out for the 10th round. And he used that energy to come out like a whirling dervish, and he started to attack Manfredy with real anger and passion, Manfredy got wobbled by a right hand and another right hand sent him down to the canvas, Rodriguez with both eyes cut and swelled was looking like Arturo Gatti. As he was trying to pull off a miracle comeback like Gatti had done to him, to Manfredy's credit he actually comeback well at the end of the round, in which was a very entertaining round and by far the best round of the fight.

That 10th round was kind of an anti climax though, as Rodriguez had nothing really to offer in the last 2 rounds. And the fight followed the same pattern as the previous rounds, with Manfredy as the aggressor landing the cleaner harder shots.

I scored the fight 116-111 Harold Lederman scored the fight 116-111, and the 3 judges had it 116-111 x2, 117-110. So all in all i think my scoring for this fight was pretty much in line with what everyone else see.

Overall a decent fight with a memorable 10th round, i always enjoyed Manfredy's style and i thought he always made for an exciting fight win or lose.

 

Angel Manfredy vs Jorge Paez

1 Manfredy
2 Manfredy
3 Manfredy
4 Manfredy
5 Manfredy
6 Manfredy
7 Manfredy
8 Manfredy wins by TKO

70-63 Manfredy

Entertaining fight this one but mostly one way traffic, Manfredy's output in this fight was kind of crazy. In 4 rounds he threw over a 100 punches, and was landing atleast 70/80 of them which is insane.

To be fair to Paez he was clearly past his best and faded by this point, but fair play to him for never giving up and he never stopped coming forward either. Paez also actually had some success with the left to the body he was able to land it consistently, but overall Manfredy done a paint on him with razor sharp combinations and clean effective punching.

In the 8th round Manfredy landed a peach of a left hook that sent Paez down, Paez got up at the count of 9 but clearly dazed and hurt. The referee rightfully put Paez out of his misery by stopping the fight.

Overall it was an entertaining scrap but was mostly one sided, but it was basically an aging fighter testing out the young prospect to see where Manfredy belonged. And Manfredy proved he was a skillful fighter ready to move on to the next level.

 

Angel Manfredy vs Ivan Robinson

1 Manfredy
2 Manfredy
3 Manfredy
4 Robinson
5 Robinson
6 Manfredy
7 Manfredy
8 Manfredy
9 Manfredy
10 Manfredy

98-92 Manfredy

I noticed a little while ago @scartissue was enjoying watching Angel Manfredy fights, well i suggest you watch this one. It's a very entertaining battle rock em sock em robots.

Also if i can quote another poster here @Saintpat i believe we had discussion awhile ago. And he said "a fighter can lose a wide decision on the scorecards, but the fight can still be competitive" well that quote certainly describes this fight in a nutshell.

Ivan Robinson threw nearly 100 punches in most of the rounds, and you think to yourself "Well wow can a fighter loser such a wide decision then ?" well despite Robinson throwing alot of punches. His punches were not that effective, and Manfredy would block alot of Robinson's ineffective punches. Whilst also coming back with his harder punches.

Manfredy said before the fight he noticed, Gatti hurt Robinson late on in their fight with body shots. And that he would go to Robinson's body early. Well true to his word he did just that even making Robinson grimace in the 1st round with a body punch, and he was able to hurt Robinson numerous times in the fight with body punches. I've talked about how effective Manfredy was with his body punches, but overall he just landed the much more effective cleaner/harder punches, and that's what pretty much won Manfredy the fight in a competitive but very clear win for Manfredy.

Overall i recommend anyone watching this fight, it was a fun fight to watch and although not quite as good as Gatti/Robinson 1 it wasn't that far off.

 

D, I scored Manfredy v Rodriguez 117-111 and Manfredy v Robinson 99-93, so we are both right there. Both fights very entertaining with Manfredy displaying absolute neat boxing in the Rodriguez fight and going to war with Robinson. Both fights I too recommend.

 

Thanks to @William Walker for uploading this. Not a barn-burner, but I love these classics

Bob Baker v Coley Wallace I (10 point must system in effect)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Baker
Round 3: 10-9 Baker
Round 4: 10-8 Baker (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Wallace
Round 6: 10-9 Baker
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Baker
Round 9: 10-8 Baker (battering)
Round 10: 10-9 Baker

Total: 99-91 Baker (actual scores: 96-90, 94-91 and 95-87 all for Baker)

Although I can't figure out the judge's point distribution, there was no doubt who won the fight. Although Baker and Wallace won't make you forget such contenders as Machen, Quarry or Lyle, they were good in their own right. I always felt Marciano dropped the ball on Baker. A good, big heavyweight who I believe he could have handled and would have stemmed the argument (a bit) on how Rocky would have fared against a big heavy. I will also say that I think Baker would have given Rocky a heckuva fight. He possessed an impressive jab and fired pin-point combos for a big man. His faults may have been in his conditioning and well-known bad hands. One part of this fight had me puzzled on him. He really had Wallace on the verge of a knockdown twice in the 9th and both times took his foot off the gas. Still, I enjoyed this fight for the history involved. I will mention one thing, William. This was actually their first fight, not the second that is marked on it. Just a small side-note. Thanks again.

 

Gene "Ace" Armstrong W10 Henry Hank

First of all, I publicly lament the dearth of people nicknamed "Ace" these days. What a fantastic moniker, I do hope it makes a comeback someday.

This was a fun one, from the storied Friday Night Fights series hosted by Gillette and Don Dunphy. Two excellent contenders, with pleasingly different styles. I'd seen a bit of Henry Hank before, he's tailor-made for a series like this. Durable, with a flashy, aggressive style, perfect for TV. Problem is, he fights very much in spurts and lacks real power. He appears to put his entire body into his punches but never seems to get the results from doing that you'd think he would. Almost like Kevin Pompey that way.

Armstrong I hadn't seen before, and he's worthy of study. Operating more behind a high guard and the standard jab, right, hook mode of attack, he became bolder and comfortable fighting in close with Hank, upon realizing Hank couldn't hurt him and always seemed so very open to short left hooks inside as his hands were always down. Hank would occasionally roar back with flashy combos but had trouble sustaining anything. Armstrong was busier and landed better throughout. The decision for Armstrong was well-deserved.

1. Armstrong
2. Armstrong
3. Armstrong
4. Armstrong
5. Hank
6. Hank
7. Armstrong
8. Armstrong
9. Hank
10. Even

97- 94 Armstrong. Good, interesting fight.

 

No idea if this ever crossed over to the US but there was a character called Ace Rimmer in a British space-based sitcom, Red Dwarf, back in the early 90s. This is what I think of when I hear the name Ace:

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Big Monty Python fan, but never heard of that one. I always think of WW 2 fighter pilots, but this is a bit of a different take on it.