the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    Montgomery deserved that cheap shot totally agree with you, I don't normally condone that type of behaviour. But Montgomery was literally coming in with his head like a billy goat, and the last one was right under Currys chin. A little "payback" from Curry was justified IMO.
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    It was a good fight, IMO. His fight with Tatsuyoshi is better though IMO. I'd have thought his fight with Fenech would've been a barn burner too, but Greg was hopelessly outgunned.
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  3. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Member Full Member

    Feb 19, 2019
    Tatsuyoshi was always in good fights, so You're probably right. I think that Moon fight was interesting from scoring perspective. I also thought - while watching it - that Super Flyweight was suiting Greg much better. He really had no business fighting big 122 pounder like Fenech. It was almost like Rigondeaux fighting Lomachenko.
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Joichiro Tatsuyoshi KO10 Greg Richardson

    Recommended by @George Crowcroft . Terrific battle, highlighting yet again the grit, endurance, and spirit of Richardson, and the athletic attacking style of Tatsuyoshi.

    Tatsuyoshi turned the trick nearly done by Rabanales because he came in moving his head, fought mostly behind a hard left jab that looked like a fencing move, and he just plain hit with harder, sharper punches. He was just more dynamic than Rabanales.

    Richardson's lack of strength and power hurt him badly here, as he put together some excellent stretches but he's just not strong enough. After a last ditch attempt at another late round surge in the seventh, Tatsuyoshi takes over and batters the tiring American. After absorbing a brutal shellacking at the close of the tenth, Richardson's corner wisely keeps him on his stool. He had nothing left, it was a good stoppage.

    1. Richardson
    2. Tatsuyoshi
    3. Richardson
    4. Tatsuyoshi
    5. Tatsuyoshi
    6. Even
    7. Richardson
    8. Tatsuyoshi
    9. Tatsuyoshi
    10. Tatsuyoshi

    Richardson is retired on his stool at the end of the eleventh.

    97-94 Tatsuyoshi at the time of the stoppage.
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  5. BoB Box

    BoB Box Member Full Member

    Jun 13, 2022
    I just rescored Hagler vs Leonard again and just like the other 3 times I have Hagler winning 7 rounds to 3 rounds and 2 rounds even.
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Donald Curry v Carlos Santos (USBA jr. middleweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Curry
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-8 Curry (Santos deducted 1 point for a head butt)
    Round 5: Santos deducted another point for the same offense and then blatantly butts Curry for the DQ

    Total through 4 completed rounds: 40-37 Curry (actual scores: 40-36, 39-36 and another 39-36 all for Curry)

    The difference between this fight and the Montgomery fight was that this was a solidly competitive fight. In the 2nd and 3rd rounds, although Curry's shots were precise and solid, I had Santos sharing the round due to his workrate. The difference - I feel - was the orthodox/southpaw mixture, which was causing the clunk of heads. However, the final butt in the 5th could not be described as anything other than blatant. And Santos' whining after the fight that Curry was a protected fighter was puzzling. You don't come into a fighter as Gil Clancy said - like a Billygoat - and then start complaining afterwards. Funny enough, I read on the boxrec wiki from an L.A. Times correspondent that he seemed to side with Santos' assertion. Man, I just didn't see him as 'protected' in either fight and didn't see him complaining until the final straw. This was Curry's final fight before he met his Waterloo at the hands of that 5th round left hook by Mike McCallum. After that he was damaged goods. But the Montgomery and Santos fights are well worth watching for opinions on what went on in these bouts.
  7. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Member Full Member

    Jul 9, 2022
    Holmes vs Shavers 2 1979 Las Vegas WBC heavyweight title

    1. 10-9 Holmes
    2. 10-9 Holmes
    3. 10-9 Shavers
    4. 10-10
    5. 10-10
    6. 10-9 Holmes
    7. 10-8 Shavers
    8. 10-9 Holmes
    9. 10-10
    10. 10-9 Holmes
    11. stopped tko Holmes

    Holmes had the points lead with his jab which imo is kind of cheap/lame, overall a pretty boring fight, both of them gassed horribly Shavers a bit worse

    what was the deal with Shavers' knockdown in the 9th, it wasn't counted as an official knockdown? I think I could hear a commentator say "no knockdown" and then later someone said there's been 1 official knockdown, something too about Holmes thinking he had heard the bell ring but there was still like 15 seconds on the clock, I counted it

    Shavers should have come on more, he had moments, but it seemed his conditioning/stamina was pretty bad, he definitely had the potential to knock Holmes out

    neither one of them were in shape for a 15 round fight
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2022
  8. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 13, 2012
    I watched Salvador Sanchez-Jorge "Rocky" Garcia the other day.

    Sanchez had UNREAL stamina.
  9. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    I read that he trained to a point where his recovery was so efficient that his heart would return to normal resting levels during the one minute rest between rounds. Essentially then, as far as his cardio was concerned it was like he was just fighting the first round over again each time the bell rang.
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  10. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 13, 2012
    He had his own personal doctor help with his training, which helped.
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Harold Brazier W12 John Meekins (2)

    At the behest, of @scartissue, here's how I had it:

    1. Even
    2. Brazier
    3. Meekins (nothing close to the 10-8 Bernstein harped on about)
    4. Brazier
    5. Brazier
    6. Brazier
    7. Meekins
    8. Brazier
    9. Even
    10. Brazier
    11. Meekins
    12. Brazier

    117-113 Brazier.

    Excellent fight. I think I remember watching this back when it happened, but it's been so long, and I didn't score it anyway.

    This underscores my appreciation for Brazier, really. Such a travelled, well-schooled professional. Meekins is good fun, very aggressive and game if not as imaginative or as fundamentally sound but really, this was only his 16th pro fight, so was he perhaps rushed......? Interesting question.

    Brazier picked him apart with jabs and hooks coming in, and pried open Meekins' defense once inside with uppercuts. Brazier's stamina ensured it was a steady flow of punches coming. Only a lack of power from him kept Meekins upright, and he did rally a bit late but Brazier was just a step ahead the whole way.

    Excellent suggestion.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2022
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  12. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    Florante Condes W12 Muhammad Rachman

    IBF Minimumweight title, Rachman's 5th defense.

    1. Condes 10-9
    2. Condes 10-9
    3. Condes 10-8, scores a knockdown
    4. Condes 10-9, very close, could swing the other way.
    5. Condes 10-9, also quite close, could easily swing
    6. Rahman 10-9, in spite of getting clearly buzzed on at least one occasion
    7. Rachman 10-9
    8. Rachman 10-9
    9. Rachman 10-9
    10. Condes 10-9, scores a KD after getting dominated for most of the round.
    11. Rachman 10-9
    12. Rachman 10-9

    114-113 Condes. Judges cards were 114-112 Condes, 114-112 Rachman, 115-111 Condes. All three cards are feasible depending on what impressed you more in some of the close rounds.

    Rachman is 35 at the time of this fight, and has over 70 fights logged at this point in his career but his engine was pretty insane in this fight, and as my scorecard suggests, he clearly finished the stronger of the two.

    Condes entered the fight with the nickname of Little Pac, but I think the nickname of Little Ben Villamor would have suited him better. He wasn't particularly fast and seemed content to throw one at a time for long portions of the fight. But he was pretty accurate, carried power in both hands, and was extremely durable. That allowed him to stay in the fight even when the momentum completely slipped away from him in the second half.

    Rachman couldn't find the range at all over the first three rounds when he was operating at range, and while Condes wasn't landing a lot, he still landed more and was definitely landing harder. Then, in the third, Condes landed a sweet southpaw counter left to his rival's chin and dropped him heavily onto his back. Amazingly, Rachman got up, recovered quickly, and more success and was able to outbox and outwork Condes for much of the next two rounds. That said, the challenger was able to rattle him on several occasions with some big straight lefts to take back the momentum and bank those frames on my card.

    But, as the fight carried on, Rachman was able to drive Condes back, trap him on the ropes and work him over with combinations and flurries in close. Rounds 7-9 were dominated by Rachman, and Condes appeared to be completely gassed in the tenth round as he took a bit of a pasting. But then, he connected with a right hook to the top of the head as Rachman was ducking down and a momentarily stunned champ dropped to a knee for another count. Once again, the champ regrouped and carried the final two frames through aggression and workrate, even after SWALLOWING a massive left counter in the 11th.

    Not really an all time classic or FOTYC, but still a really good and compelling fight with some pronounced momentum shifts. Worth checking out, for sure.
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  13. Fogger

    Fogger Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 9, 2021
    Floyd Patterson vs George Chuvalo

    February 1, 1965 - Fight scored on the round system

    Round 1 - Chuvalo - This is probably the first time I ever gave a round to a fighter based on how well he hit his opponent during the clinches. Chuvalo must have hit Floyd to the body about 30 times during clinches which was much better than anything else that happened in the round.
    Round 2 - Patterson
    Round 3 - Chuvalo
    Round 4 - Patterson
    Round 5 - Patterson
    Round 6 - ???
    Round 7 - Patterson
    Round 8 - Patterson
    Round 9 - Patterson
    Round 10 - Chuvalo - Best round of the fight. Both men throwing leather and connecting with big shots to the noggin.
    Round 11 - Even
    Round 12 - Patterson

    My score for 11 rounds 7-3-1 Patterson Actual scores 8-4, 7-5, 6-5-1 all for Floyd. The version of this I watched was from ESPN Classics and it was missing round 5 and 6. I was able to find those two rounds on a different showing of the fight but, even then, round 5 only showed 30 seconds. Hence my question marks.

    I watched this fight at the recommendation of a post from 2011. When I read about this fight afterward, I was surprised to find out that this was the 1965 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year. It was a solid fight with some good action but either this was a bad year for fights or they chose the wrong bout
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Pat, I've had this one penciled in for awhile. Watched it today and then had to check some history on this one and saw you scored it about a year ago. But first things first, although I saw this when it happened, I simply don't remember it as being this competitive.

    Michael Spinks v Yaqui Lopez (NJ rounds basis)

    Round 1: Lopez
    Round 2: Lopez
    Round 3: Lopez
    Round 4: Lopez
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Spinks
    Round 7: Spinks drops Lopez twice and the fight is stopped

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 4-1-1 Lopez (actual scores: 4-2, 4-2 and 3-3 with Spinks leading)

    To begin, an outstanding fight where fortunes changed by the second. I saw things way different than the officials, but then again rounds 3, 4 and 5 could have gone either way and they were terrific rounds. I was simply more impressed with the work-rate of Yaqui. @Saintpat , I see you saw similarly to me. But despite the scores, what a fight!
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  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Is there a way to search this thread for specific fights being scored? Or do you have to do it page by exhausting page?

    As for the fight … it’s everything you expect of both men. Yaqui always came to fight and, while capable of working behind the jab (he was remarkably deft with his left hand, both jabbing and hooking with smooth transition) and showing skill, he was never cautious. And Spinks, of course, eventually took Lopez’s measure and chopped him down.

    What a fight. A forgotten gem.