the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

So Estrada got a gift ? I'll have to watch this fight sometime next week. Also apparently the judges gave Estrada the later rounds, which seems controversial judging from your scorecard.

 

ah i dont think it was a gift tbh, a lot of swing rounds and i just preferred the activity and forcing of the issue of Argi

 

My card:
Juan Francisco Estrada vs Argi Cortes
Round 1: 10:9*
Round 2: 10:9*
Round 3: 10:9*
Round 4: 9:10
Round 5: 9:10*
Round 6: 10:9*
Round 7: 10:8 (Cortes was down)
Round 8: 10:9
Round 9: 9:10
Round 10: 9:10
Round 11: 9:10
Round 12: 10:9
Final Score: 115:112 Estrada
* - Swing rounds

I felt Estrada got the job done. There was open scoring, He had 3 point lead after 8 on 2 of the cards. He took his foot off a gas for 3 rounds, but came back with strong 12 to take it. I feel that if He was behind after 8 and needed to pick it up - He had ability to do so. It reminded me why I don't like open scoring, allows fighters to take rounds off, "running out the clock" and not leave it all in the ring.

There's only 1 thing I don't understand. 1 judge had it 77:74 Cortes after 8 - and somehow ended up having Estrada winning, even though He didn't do much in rounds 9-11, that was best period of the fight for Cortes. He probably heard other guys have it scored the other way so wanted to "adjust" his score to them to not stand out at the end.

 

Crisanto Espana v Ike Quartey (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Espana
Round 2: 10-9 Espana
Round 3: 10-9 Espana
Round 4: 10-9 Quartey
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Quartey
Round 7: 10-9 Espana
Round 8: 10-9 Espana
Round 9: 10-9 Quartey
Round 10: 10-9 Quartey
Round 11: Quartey drops and stops Espana (is also awarded a standing count over Espana when the ropes are holding him up)

Total through 10 completed rounds: 96-95 Espana (actual scores: 96-94 Espana, 99-96 Quartey and a 95-95 Even)

For a guy who came out of nowhere and really didn't deserve a title shot, Quartey made the most of it (He was fighting out of France at the time and at the time, there was a ton of money coming out of Paris). I would normally question a judge's score like the 99-96 score for Quartey, but not in this instance. There is much to weigh in this fight because, although Espana would be constantly firing like 5 punch combos, one has to determine what was getting through on Quartey's tight guard. Suffice to say a good, close fight that was up in the air until Ike closed the show in the 11th. A decent fight that will give your judging skills a workout also.

 

Absolutely - open scoring sucks and they should have done away with it by now. It reminds me of golden goal in football/soccer. Then they changed it to silver goal because it was having the opposite of its intended impact and then they just got rid of it.

 

I didn't even know about that golden goal rule, shows how much in a boxing bubble I am, but sounds somewhat similar indeed.

I believe in boxing, it's WBC rule, but it depends on commision accepting it or not. I think in U.S, only Texas adopted it for some time - I remember it being in place for Canelo vs Trout fight. Other than that, I still see in Mexico and Japan.
There's many reason for which I don't like it.

First time I saw it in France, for Mormeck vs Bell rematch. Mormeck got a comfortable lead and then just went on his bike late. First fight was great, rematch was very disappointing - and open scoring played large part in it.
In Trout vs Canelo - We had very competitive fight, but after 8 - Canelo had a win in a bag, with comfortable lead... It allowed Canelo to just take rounds off and basically "chill" and since Trout was not a puncher, it killed the drama of final rounds.
Yesterday too. Estrada knew He needed only 1 round out of 4... and wasn't fighting with much urgency late.

The logic that it's suppose to help make scoring more honest is also flawed. As We saw yesterday, it can only lead to more of a "group-thinking" among judges.

WBC and their genius ideas.

 

Miguel Cotto (WBA Welterweight Champion) vs. Antonio Margarito (Challenger) I on July 26, 2008 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada


Round 1: Cotto 10-9
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: Cotto 10-9
Round 4: Cotto 10-9
Round 5: Cotto 10-9
Round 6: Margarito 10-9
Round 7: Margarito 10-9
Round 8: Cotto 10-9
Round 9: Margarito 10-9
Round 10: Margarito 10-9
Round 11: Margarito drops Cotto to his knee twice and stops him via TKO

My score: 96-95 Cotto over 10 complete rounds.

This is an absolute war. Cotto and Margarito beat each other viciously for nearly 11 rounds. Cotto just couldn't take the constant pressure towards the middle and championship rounds and he submitted to it. The question is "Did Tony have plaster in his hands during this fight?" That is the thing that will always put this classic confrontation under a cloud of mystery for the rest of time. That shouldn't take away from how amazing this fight is, though.

Also, a sidenote: I'm looking at the fan scorecards of this bout on Eye of the Ring, and someone had it 98-92 for Cotto. Um.....no. That's INSANELY wide for a fight this close. I don't know how in the hell that person came up with that card.

 

The Harlem Globetrotters have 3-pointers like normal in basketball but also 4-pointers and 5-pointers (which is I think like half court) and their game script is they fall behind in the first three quarters and then they start unleashing the long-range bombs to come back and beat those Washington Generals.

 

The Harlem Globetrotters were more real than wresling to me as a kid, i thought the NBA were ducking them. they didnt want the heat

 

Angel Manfredy v Jorge Paez

D, I checked this fight out today and then saw that you and @Philly161 had reviewed it. I too had it like you guys at 70-63 for Manfredy before he dropped and stopped Paez in the 8th (actual scores: 70-63, 69-64 and 68-65 all for Manfredy). One thing to note was the scores of the officials. I can see a round or 2 going to Paez as 2 of the officials had it. Where Manfredy was firing those sizzling combos, Paez' big shots were equally impressive. I think Lampley was on about punch-stats, but that doesn't always hold true or tell the tale with how a fight is unfolding. In this case, I found Manfredy's shots to have enough vim and rapidity to win the rounds over Paez' heavier leather, but can also see someone being impressed with the big Paez shots. That all being said, it was a good fight and really look back now at what a talent Manfredy was.

 

Jel, I had this penciled in for awhile after seeing your 'semi' recommendation. Here we go.....

Jorge Julio v Junior Jones (bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Jones
Round 2: 10-9 Jones
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Jones
Round 5: 10-8 Julio (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Jones
Round 7: 10-9 Julio
Round 8: 10-9 Julio
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-8 Jones (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-8 Jones (scores a knockdown)

Total: 116-111 Jones (actual scores: 116-111, 116-111 and 117-109 all for Jones)

I totally agree with many of your points, Jel. Firstly, as you said, the 5th round was the best action of the fight and secondly, it was Jones' sloppiness towards Julio's counters that caused a lot of his issues. But eventually getting the job done. Like you said, decent fight.

 

Juan Francisco Estrada vs Argi Cortes

1 Estrada
2 Estrada
3 Estrada
4 Cortes
5 Cortes
6 Cortes
7 Estrada 10-8 knockdown
8 Estrada
9 Estrada
10 Cortes
11 Cortes
12 Cortes

114-113 Estrada

Very close exciting FOTY candidate i really liked how Cortes put his punches together, but for me Estrada stole it based on the 7th round knockdown.

 

Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz

1 Ortiz
2 Ruiz 10-7 2 knockdowns
3 Ortiz
4 Ortiz
5 Ortiz
6 Ortiz
7 Ruiz 10-8 knockdown
8 Ortiz
9 Ruiz
10 Ortiz
11 Ruiz
12 Ortiz

113-112 Ortiz

Strange fight the few times Ruiz decided to open up he floored Ortiz and rocked him, but for the most part Ruiz fought very lackluster with no workrate. Allowing the older man to outbox him on the outside, very weird that a fighter scores 3 knockdowns and lost the fight on my card. But that just shows you how lazy Ruiz was in this fight.

 

Go watch Meadowlark dealing in ‘The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh.’ Not the best basketball movie ever made, but my favorite.

 

Tury 'The Fury' Pineda v Vicente Mijares (vacant NABF lightweight title)

Man, Tury really takes me back. So many of his fights I saw on the old 'Boxing from the Olympic' weekly series. Off the top of my head I saw his fights with Mando Ramos, Danny Lopez, Bobby Chacon, Speedy Naldo, Masa Takahashi (a real war), Jimmy Heair, Howard Davis and Rafael Nunez. And I'm sure I've forgotten a few. In this bout he takes on the streaking Vicente Mijares, who was known at the time funny enough, as Vicente Saldivar. Although this is Pineda coming off his controversial fights with Suzuki for the title, he could do very little with Mijares, who boxed like a dream, including rattling Tury several times with sharp counters. Whatever it was he just couldn't get untracked to lay down his terrific left hook on Mijares. California was still a couple of months away from adopting the 10 point must system and was still employing the California point system at this time. So I scored this bout 10-0 for Mijares, giving Tury only a share of rounds 4 and 11. The California system was 1 point for a round, 0 points for an Even round, 2 points if there is a knockdown scored. so, 10-0 for Mijares who turned in a brilliant performance, cutting Tury over both eyes and only incurring a bleeding nose through most of the contest himself.