the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

yes to the bell vs mormeck rematch. bell was able to drag a leading mormeck into a war and stop him

if mormeck was not sure how ahead he was he would have stood in there and engaged and we may have gotten a dramatic finish

 

usyk vs joshua 2

first viewing 116-112 usyk

usyk 1,4,5,6,7,8,10, 11
joshua 2,3,9,12

second viewing 117-111 usyk

usyk 1,4,5,6,7,8,10,11 ,12
joshua 2,3,9

mannix had 1,2, 8, and 9 for joshua making it 116-112 now give him 3 from my card and it is 115-113 so I can understand the closer score of the british judge. i still have a tough time seeing feldmans card i guess you would have to give joshua round 12 to get to 114-114 but i am not so sure what other round there is to swing to make it 115-113 Joshua

I will admit that 1,5,6,7, and 8 are very close. I gave usyk those rounds but often they were very nip tuck for the first two minutes or so and then usyk would score a few flush jabs or combinations to take command. joshua was the harder puncher but usyk was more accurate and tended to snap back joshua's head and a lot of joshua's combinations on instant replay missed or landed less effectively than they seemed in real time. I think joshua did much better despite rendering the same score as fight 1 the action was much closer and joshua wasnt totally out classed this time or out on his feet like he was the first time.

i guess feldman was swayed by the bigger punches of joshua, i know i was when live scoring round 12. maybe from where he was sitting he had a better vantage point for joshuas work and short changed some of usyks lighter but more consistent work

i dont agree with a score closer than 115-113 i hardly agree with anything closer than 116-112 but i guess watching he middle rounds again i can see that the rounds were closer but i felt usyk netted them

 

Benn vs McClelland, one of my favorites

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Meldrick Taylor W12 Luis Garcia

This fight showed me how far Taylor had fallen, and what a properly applied aggression might do to him, a'la Crisanto Espana later. His legs just weren't there anymore. Taylor would lean in, throw a couple quick punches and lunge forward off-balance into the soft, slapping flurries Garcia offered, making the fight closer than it needed to be. Garcia was tricky because of his comparative height and reach and made Taylor come forward, forcing him to commit and lunge in that way, but his punches lacked authority and he didn't set Taylor up with the jab, which was just begging to be thrown. Taylor saved his day by simply forcing the issue in the late rounds and banging away as best he could. Garcia was inexperienced in going that far in fights and it showed; Taylor took over after the eighth, as sloppy as the effort might have been.

Not a great fight, but here it was. I scored in my head as I went, and watched it in parts unfortunately, so I can't remember for sure which round I had as even, but you get the gist of the thing.........

1. Taylor
2. Taylor
3. Garcia
4. Even
5. Garcia
6. Taylor
7. Garcia
8. Garcia
9. Taylor
10. Taylor
11. Taylor
12. Taylor

116-113 Taylor.

 

Daniel Zaragoza v Joichiro Tatsuyoshi II (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 DZ
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 DZ
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 DZ
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 DZ
Round 8: 10-9 JT
Round 9: 10-9 DZ
Round 10: 10-9 DZ
Round 11: 10-9 JT
Round 12: 10-8 JT (DZ penalized a point for throwing JT to the canvas)

Total: 116-114 Zaragoza (actual scores: 116-112, 116-111 and 115-112 all for Zaragoza)

This bout was like an entertaining clubfight, only with a title attached. They just looked like two guys fighting for neighborhood bragging rights and leaving nothing on the table. JT had the best fanbase in the world. They screamed at anything he threw. And they had a right to the way these guys went at it. So many razor-close rounds in the first half, and indeed, the second half too. It just seemed everytime JT was ready to attack, he was catching one of Zaragoza's looping shots to the head. Very good fight. One, which you may want to dispense with your pencil and just watch a good fight.

 

Hi there, apologies if I sound like a jobsworth about it (particularly as I’m not an admin) but this thread is for posting your thoughts and preferably scorecards on fights you’ve watched recently rather than just fight videos. So would be great to see what you have to write about Benn-McClellan or any other fights as it’s good to get new members posting here. It’s the best thread on the forum.

We have the regular stalwarts like @scartissue posting daily (I’ve been letting the side down by not posting much recently) but new posters are also very welcome… so please post your thoughts and scorecard on Benn-McClellan, one of the greatest fights to ever take place in a British ring. Looking forward to seeing what you have to say about it!

 

@Elboxeo, here’s my take on this great fight from a long while back:

Ivan Robinson v Arturo Gatti 1

Another FOTY for Gatti but no come-from-behind heroics quite this time. Robinson boxes well and is generally too slick for Gatti but Arturo wins his three rounds more memorably with the knockdown in round 4, wobbling Robinson in the 6th and then big time in the 10th. No doubt about the decision though.

1 10-9
2 10-9
3 10-9
4 8-10 (Surprising knockdown by Gatti swings the momentum)
5 10-10 (tough round to score - great back and forth action)
6 9-10 (close. Robinson battered Gatti and then was stunned and looked like he was trying to stand on ice. Swing round)
7 10-9
8 10-9
9 10-9
10 9-10 (Robinson looks out on his feet a couple of times)

Robinson 96 - 94 Gatti

Robinson wins 6 rounds to 3 with 1 even

 

MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER vs "SUGAR" RAY LEONARD
WBC and The Ring Middleweight titles on the line

Round 1: MMH 9 - 10 SRL
Round 2: MMH 9 - 10 SRL
Round 3: MMH 10 - 9 SRL
Round 4: MMH 9 - 10 SRL
Round 5: MMH 10 - 9 SRL
Round 6: MMH 9 - 10 SRL
Round 7: MMH 10 - 9 SRL
Round 8: MMH 10 - 10 SRL
Round 9: MMH 10 - 9 SRL
Round 10: MMH 10 - 9 SRL
Round 11:MMH 9 - 10 SRL
Round 12:MMH 9 - 10 SRL

TOTAL: 115-114 Sugar Ray Leonard
Judges: 115-113 Hagler,118-110 Leonard and 115-113 for the winner by SD Sugar Ray Leonard

Gil Clancy said near the end of the fight "if the fight comes down to those first two rounds Hagler will never be able to live with himself" and that about sums this one up imo. Hagler needed to bring the Hearns fight spirit into this from the get-go and try and get Rays feet planted. A rock solid gameplan from Ray seen him through just about compared to Hagler who seemed to be playing a lot of it by ear. For what its worth i think it was a great decision from Marv to pack it in after this one because it is the oldest hes ever looked in the ring and it wouldve been terrible to see a guy as great as him stick around too long and get beaten by fighters beneath his level.

 

Thats an awesome fight and had Gatti pulled it out in the last round and he almost did it i would probably have it in the top five all time fights.

 

Could well have been - possibly top 10
in terms of 10 rounders, certainly.

 

Stevie Johnston v Angel Manfredy (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Johnston
Round 2: 10-9 Johnston
Round 3: 10-9 Johnston
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Johnston
Round 9: 10-9 Johnston
Round 10: 10-9 Johnston
Round 11: 10-9 Johnston
Round 12: 10-9 Manfredy

Total: 118-113 Johnston (actual scores: 118-111, 116-112 and another 116-112 all for Johnston)

As you can see from my tally, there were several very close rounds when the dogged Manfredy went on the attack. But for the most part, Stevie Johnston boxed like a dream. In and out with a beautiful assortment of punches. Stevie only lacked a big punch in his arsenal. Brilliant fight to watch from a purist perspective. Perhaps not the most exciting as Johnston, despite his beautiful skill set, had an almost monotony about him due to his lack of a big dig on his shots. It's hard to explain, but regardless, I do enjoy watching him from that purist level.

 

Larry Holmes (WBC Heavyweight Champion) vs. Muhammad Ali (Challenger) on October 2, 1980 at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada for the vacant Ring Heavyweight Championship


Round 1: Holmes 10-9
Round 2: Holmes 10-9
Round 3: Holmes 10-9
Round 4: Holmes 10-9
Round 5: Holmes 10-9
Round 6: Holmes 10-9
Round 7: Holmes 10-9
Round 8: Holmes 10-9
Round 9: Holmes 10-8 (Ali was getting absolutely pounded in there, even more than the other rounds up to this point)
Round 10: Holmes 10-8 (Ali was continuing to be absolutely murdered in there without any resistance whatsoever)

Ali retires on his stool before the beginning of the 11th to give Holmes the win. My score: 100-88 Holmes through ten complete rounds.

I mean, what else is there to say that hasn't been said already? An atrocity that had no business happening. Ali was clearly in poor health by this point and the people around him should've stopped this match from happening. I know Muhammad wanted it, but they clearly didn't do enough to dissuade him. Also, let's give credit to Larry. He could've finished Ali at any time, but he held back from doing so. I think that was a major show of respect to Ali, the legacy he had and everything Ali had done for Holmes personally. You can tell it hurt Larry deeply that he had to do this to his idol (as evidenced by the post-fight interview in the locker room where he had tears in his eyes). What makes this sadder is that Ali was STILL not done after this. He faced Trevor Berbick in 1981, lost an unanimous decision and finally retired. Honestly, Ali should've just retired after the third Spinks fight like he did originally.

 

Andrew Golota vs Orlin Norris

1 Norris
2 Golota
3 Golota
4 Golota
5 Golota
6 Norris
7 Norris
8 Norris
9 Golota
10 Golota

96-94 Golota

I think you'd like this fight @scartissue since you like your Heavyweight fights.

This was a good entertaining fight all the way through, Norris who was overweight at 230+. Pressured Golota the whole night jabbing at his body and chest and occasionally out jabbing the bigger man aswell, Norris also showed some nice defence slipping quite of Golota's punches and landing some nice counters aswell.

Golota for the most part fought a mostly clean fight, and did some good work on the inside himself. And showed his underrated inside skills for a big man, i've always liked how Golota turned his shoulder on the inside that's what gave Bowe so much trouble aswell.

Overall Golota won a close/competitive fight landing the more effective harder punches, alot of Norris's work while it was effective. His punches wern't really that hard although he definitely won rounds outworking Golota.

My final thoughts is how underrated is Norris ? he was unlucky not to beat Tony Tucker, and has a few decent scalps beating McCall, Page, Ferguson. The fact that Norris was 5'10 and overweight, and still pushed a big 6'4 Heavyweight like Golota all the way shows how good Norris could be.

Lastly two of the judges scorecards in this fight were a disgrace 99-91, 98-92, for Golota ? one judge had it pretty reasonable at 97-94 but the other two were way off the mark.

 

Shannon Briggs vs George Foreman 1997
(Heavyweight Championship fight)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Foreman
Round 3: 10-9 Foreman
Round 4: 10-8 Foreman
Round 5: 10-8 Foreman
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Foreman
Round 8: 10-8 Foreman
Round 9: 10-9 Foreman
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Foreman
Round 12: 10-9 Foreman

Total Points:
120 vs 108

Punches through Round 7
Foreman accuracy: 59%
Briggs accuracy: 43%

Without any doubt, this was Foreman's finest hour of his whole career to me. He had so many great wins, but there was something very unique about what he did here (facing a man 22 years younger and clearly out-boxing him). Respect to Briggs, but he didn't win this one. '73 Foreman would have crushed him in a single round.

Foreman is still the heavyweight champ in my opinion! He was the aggressor throughout the fight, and his punches were crisp and more accurate. Briggs ran away. I think they gave this fight to Briggs because it would be a little over the top to have a 48 year old reigning as heavyweight champion for eternity.

 

Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez 3

1 Pacquiao
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Pacquiao
7 Marquez
8 Marquez
9 Marquez
10 Marquez
11 Pacquiao
12 Pacquiao

114-114 Draw

For me this was Pacquiao's best performance vs Marquez in regards to his defence, Pacquiao fought a more tactical fight this time around and got hit far less. Pacquiao's footwork was also better here than it was in fights 1 and 2, as he kept his positioning alot better and wasn't off balance as much.

I felt like Marquez stepped it up after round 6, as Marquez had to lead a bit more in this fight to have success, he landed mostly all the telling blows for me in rounds 7-10 especially with the right hand. Lederman had Pacquiao winning most of the rounds after 7 rounds which i totally disagreed with.

But i felt like Marquez dropped the ball in the last 2 rounds when he cut Pacquiao, and let his foot off the gas and fought too cautiously, allowing Pacquiao to win the last 2 rounds to earn a draw on my card.

Overall the most boring fight of the trilogy, but i still found it riveting to watch regardless. I think this fight had the most swing rounds out of all the fights they had.