the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I started watching Tony Martin vs Kipp Riggs 1 in absolutely fantastic quality, got about 4 rounds in, then came back to finish it and it has been removed from YouTube from a claim from CSI sports? That fight is 27ish years old and nobody is making money off of it, really petty take down if you ask me

 

Freddie Pendleton KO10 Ras-I Bramble (2)

This was a rematch of their first fight which went to a ten-round draw. This bout was contested for the USBA Lightweight crown, and it was a pretty decent tussle, though Bramble's fade was there to see. His physical strength, so very pronounced just a couple years before, was not on display here against Pendleton. He kept the rounds close, leaning in behind the high guard of his and ripping uppercuts and chopping shots from the sides, but Pendleton was stronger and hit harder, and when he utilized his jab, was able to keep Bramble away and allow himself to set up his entire arsenal. Bramble hung tough, but was just outgunned here.

In the middle rounds, the once small cut along Bramble's right eye began opening up (another of the vagaries of age) and in the tenth, which opened with frenetic flurrying from Pendleton in an effort to further the cut along, the ring doctor waved it off after consulting with the referee.

Well-fought, useful win with the suddenly peaking Pendleton, who started his career in almost total obscurity.

1. Bramble
2. Pendelton
3. Pendleton
4. Bramble
5. Pendleton
6. Pendleton
7. Pendleton
8. Pendleton
9. Pendleton
10. Fight is stopped due to the severity of the cut over Bramble's right eye, deemed to have been caused by a punch.

88-83 Pendelton at the time of the stoppage. Tim Ryan and Gil Clancy were more generous to Pendelton than I was; they had it a near shutout by the tenth, with only a share of one of the rounds being awarded Bramble.

 

Prince Charles vs. Matthew Saad could have happened, but it could never have happened the way we would have wanted it.

Williams’ first 10-rounder, in his 11th fight, was in 1981, the year MSM was finishing out his championship reign. He lost to Dwight Muhammad Qawi the next year and then lost the rematch and was never the same again — too many wars, too much mileage.

Yes, Saad kept fighting for another 10 years but lost more than he won and never beat anyone of note again. So PCW could have fought the shopworn, past-his-sell-by-date version of Muhammad somewhere in the mid-1980s or so but it wouldn’t have been what you’re talking about.

Now the best Prince Charles against the best Matthew Saad would have been a slugfest (as were all MSM fights it seemed) but I think Muhammad does his usual weather-the-storm-and-surge-back act and stopped Williams somewhere in the second half.

 

Donald Curry v Elio Diaz (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Curry
Round 4: 10-9 Curry
Round 5: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Curry
Round 7: 10-8 Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: Diaz retires in his corner before the start of round 8.

Total through 7 completed rounds: 70-61 Curry (scores unknown)

One can look at these scores and say it was simply a one-sided fight. And it was on the points, however, I'll grant Diaz that he put up a scrappy fight, but Curry's shots - although not as great a volume of shots as Diaz was throwing - were absolutely pin-point. Nothing wasted. A decent fight until the inevitable outcome. Although I said he put up a decent fight, I will also say, how in the hell did both the WBA and WBC both have Diaz as their #1 contender? The only recognizable name on Diaz' ledger is that of Bruce Finch, who had lost his last 3 fights before Diaz. Man, those Venezuelans knew how to get their fighters title shots.

 

Frankie Randall D12 Freddie Pendleton

I decided to meld the last two fights I watched involving these guys and watch their USBA Lightweight title tiff from 1986. This was actually their second fight, Randall having scored a cut-induced TKO over Pendleton two years prior before either became a thing. By 1986 however, they were both on the cusp, definitely coming into their own.

It was a nip and tuck affair, the fighters being evenly matched and trying to find some sort of stylistic edge to exploit. There wasn't much to work off of for either, as they were both sharp and unwilling to give an inch. It was a tight, tactical bout that highlighted the countering, jab and movement of Pendleton with the measured aggression behind the jab that Randall became known for. Well worth watching, and I'd be curious to see some cards from others on this if anyone has them. Intersting fight to score. Though I had Randall the winner and thought he did the more succinct work and generally got more of what he wanted done than did Pendleton, I really have no problem with the draw. Most rounds were hotly contested, the scoring didn't seem terribly out of line to me.

1. Pendleton
2. Pendleton
3. Pendleton
4. Randall
5. Randall
6. Randall
7. Pendleton
8. Even
9. Randall
10. Randall
11. Randall
12. Randall

116-113 Randall. Good, interesting technical bout. I recommend.

 

Sal, I did this about a year ago. I agree, very tactical and close. You and I were on the same page with this one.

Frankie Randall v Freddie Pendleton II (USBA lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Pendleton
Round 3: 10-9 Pendleton
Round 4: 10-9 Randall
Round 5: 10-9 Randall
Round 6: 10-9 Randall
Round 7: 10-9 Pendleton
Round 8: 10-9 Randall
Round 9: 10-9 Randall
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Randall
Round 12: 10-9 Randall

Total: 117-113 Randall (actual scores: 115-113 Randall, 116-114 Pendleton and 114-114 Even for a Draw decision)

 

Yeah, looks like we saw that one through more or less the same lens. So many rounds were tight that even the nod to Pendleton on the one judge's card didn't offend me too much.

 

Here's a fight I had never seen before. Somehow I missed it back in the day - probably working - and I read all about the controversy, but here it is now

Scott Ledoux v Johnny Boudreaux (8 rounds - scoring on the rounds basis)

Round 1: Ledoux
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Ledoux (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: Ledoux
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Boudreaux
Round 7: Ledoux
Round 8: Ledoux

Total: 5-1-2 Ledoux (actual scores: 5-3, 4-3-1 and 3-2-3 all for Boudreaux)

Although this was a bit of a grainy film, I really couldn't make a case for Boudreaux here. He just lacked the fire to fight, which is what Ledoux was doing. After the melee that ensued after the fight and Ledoux' accusations that these were all of Don King's men involved, Cosell brings the referee in to back up his scoring and say how ridiculous the accusations were and Cosell affirms integrity of this tournament. I can only say how they must have all felt at ABC when the Don King/Ring Mag scandal broke. The ratings were rigged, were judges out of the question here? You decide.

Note: for a good laugh, check out 35:21 of the film when Ledoux accidentally knocks off Cosell's toupee

 

My scorecard @salsanchezfan it seems like we generally see the same type of fight and only disagreed on the 3rd round.


Livingstone Bramble vs Freddie Pendleton 2

1 Bramble
2 Pendleton
3 Bramble
4 Bramble
5 Pendleton
6 Pendleton
7 Pendleton
8 Pendleton
9 Pendleton
10 Pendleton winner by TKO on a cut

87-84 Pendleton

I wanted to see their first fight as that one was a draw, but i couldn't find any footage so i had make due with their rematch.

This was pretty entertaining fight by two good honest pros, who had very up and down careers. And funnily enough both men ended their careers with 26 losses each. Pendleton at this time was pretty hot and Bramble was still trying to rebuild his career, after the devastating loss to Rosario.

I thought Bramble had the better of fight early on by being the aggressor, but by the 5th round the fight had turned around. And then it was Pendleton being the aggressor outpunching Bramble. From then on i thought Pendleton pretty much controlled the fight, although it was still competitive but Pendleton for me was certainly having the better of it.

Pendleton come out for the 10th round very fast and aggressive, and after having a very good 1st half of the round. The ref halts the contest so the doctor can have a look at the cut on Brambles eye, and the doctor decides Bramble can no longer continue.

Overall it was an interesting fight to watch, i do enjoy the Lightweight 80s era so many interesting battles.

 

@salsanchezfan I just watched this one based on your write up, and we were in complete agreement on the scoring. On a side note i'm British and i totally agree to hell with that half-point system, i also just used the regular 10 point must system.

Frankie Randall vs Edwin Rosario 1

1 Randall
2 Randall
3 Randall
4 Rosario
5 Randall
6 Randall
7 Rosario
8 Rosario
9 Rosario
10 Rosario

95-95 Draw

I pretty much agree with what you said @salsanchezfan Randall had the better of it early on out boxing and outpunching Rosario. And i also agree with your assessment of Randall's style very pleasing fighter on the eye, and a nice mixture of boxing and aggression.

The fight started to turn around for me in the 7th round, that was the first sign of Randall getting tired and going a bit ragged. And i thought Randall looked quite badly hurt in rounds 8 and 9 and disguised it quite well.

I didn't have any problems with Rosario getting the decision there was 1 or 2 closish rounds. And Rosario definitely won his rounds more convincingly overall i thought, and i felt the only fighter that was hurt in this fight was Randall.

Overall it was a good entertaining fight where Randall started off well but faded down the stretch, Rosario won all the later rounds visibly hurting Randall late on, and i feel like had this been 12 rounds Rosario possibly could of scored a knockdown or stopped Randall.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier 1

1 Ali
2 Ali
3 Frazier
4 Ali
5 Ali
6 Frazier
7 Frazier
8 Frazier
9 Ali
10 Ali
11 Frazier 10-8
12 Frazier
13 Frazier
14 Ali
15 Frazier 10-8

143-140 Frazier in rounds 8-7 Frazier

So i decided to rewatch this fight with the recent bump in this thread, i'm not going to do a big write up. Because more knowledgeable posters than me have already said it better than what i could.

A few things i will say i thought Ali did well early on pot shotting Frazier at distance, now Frazier would land the best punches of the round. And i can see how some people may of scored them rounds for Frazier, but i thought Ali landed the more punches overall and landed some effective hard punches himself to win the early rounds.

The fight for me started to turn around after the 5th round, at this point in the fight i felt like Frazier was able to stop Ali from circling around the ring and trap him on the ropes. And land devasting hooks to the body and head.

To Ali's credit he did steal a few rounds in the 2nd half of the fight, including the 9th round when he got hurt and comeback to have Frazier in really bad trouble at the end of the round, definitely a stand out round and one of the best rounds in the fight, and the only time Frazier looked in real distress.

The 11th round now there's a few talking points about this round, 1 should the knockdown of been scored ? yes a punch did land but Ali did visibly seem to slip on his own accord and not from the punch itself i guess it's debatable, then we come to later in the round where Frazier did almost put down Ali legitimately. Now i thought Frazier hurt Ali so much in the last 30-40 that he deserved a 10-8 round, and i'm sticking by the score i feel like that's one of the clearest 10-8 rounds you'll see IMO.

To Ali's credit i thought he comeback well, and fought well with Frazier in rounds 13 and 14, the 13th round was close with alot of even exchanges. But Frazier put Ali on the ropes and was the effective aggressor, so i felt like he deserved to edge this round based on that and again another stand out round in a great fight.

Now you don't need me to tell you about the classic 15th round knockdown, what may surprise you is that for 1:30 seconds of the round i had it a 10-7 round for Frazier as i felt he was that dominant. But Ali did enough in the 2nd half of the round for me not to give Frazier an extra point.

Overall a fantastic fight the classic boxer vs puncher skill vs will, and it is actually a close fight scoring it on a round by round basis rather than the 10 point must system.

PS i said wasn't going to do a big write up and well..... look here we are.

 

Jorge Eliecer Julio v Julio Gamboa (bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 2: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 3: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 4: 10-9 JEJ
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 7: 10-9 JEJ
Round 8: 10-9 JEJ
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 JEJ
Round 11: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 12: 10-9 Gamboa

Total: 116-114 Gamboa (actual scores: 115-113 Gamboa, 115-113 JEJ, and a 115-114 for JEJ who retains his title on a split decision)

Man, where did this fight come out of? What a terrific contest! And enough blood-letting to turn Gamboa's white shorts pink. I really felt Gamboa's doggedness earned him this fight, but at least they all saw it as close, which it was. Some terrific amount of leather swapped here, guys. Hope you check it out.

 

I loved Gamboa's effort against Quiroga, I'll check that out!

 

Harry Arroyo W10 Joe Manley

First off, disclaimer; this had round 6 missing, which really sucks because it was an incredibly close fight. GOD, I hate that. I did, however, have the benefit of hearing Tim Ryan say on the replay that Manley had been "in trouble" in round six, so assuming we can then give that one to Arroyo based on his words, that does help some.

CBS must have had a "spotlight on prospects" series going or something during the early 80's; between thia one and the Richie Sandoval-Harold Petty fight where both guys had just a handful of fights, it seems they did. Arroyo went into this at 16-0 and Manley was 8-0 with four KO's. Their inexperience showed a bit, despite their good amateur backgrounds. Arroyo was painfully easy to hit with counter hooks and his chin was a little shaky (as we'd see later in his career) and he backed up in a straight line from Manley's wild flurries, while Manley's presence and attack was uneven and he seemed at times to not know what his plan exactly was. He underutilized his jab and could really have taken command of this fight had he done just that. Arroyo was fairly busted up at the end of it, and the decision was mostly ill-received and I can see why, especially considering that Arroyo got put down in the final round. My score doesn't bear out a robbery per se, but let's just say both fighters had some developing to do. They woukd learn and get better, both of them.

1. Manley
2. Manley
3. Even
4. Arroyo
5. Manley
6. Arroyo
7. Arroyo
8. Arroyo
9. Arroyo
10. Manley, 10-8

95-95, draw.

 

Sal, I checked this out about a year ago. Good fight. This is what I wrote on the bout:

Harry Arroyo v Joe Manley

This was a 16-0 Arroyo against an 8-0 Joe Manley, but Manley had greater amateur experience so it seemed like a good matchup and it was. This bout reminded me a bit of the 10 rounder between Hedgemon Lewis and Carlos Palomino. The flashy boxer-puncher against the harder punching body-banger. Scored with NJ rounds basis.

Round 1: Manley
Round 2: Manley
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Manley
Round 5: Manley
Round 6: ??? Round missing - leap of faith says it was Arroyo's round
Round 7: Arroyo
Round 8: Arroyo
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Manley (scores a knockdown)

Total: 5-3-2 Manley (actual scores: 7-3 Manley, 6-4 Arroyo and 5-4-1 Arroyo - look at that, an Even round by Harold Lederman)

I was into this fight and enjoying the hell out of it when just before the bell for the 6th round, the commentators say, "Wow, Manly survived a rough round. Best round of the night for Arroyo." I was sitting there thinking, what fight are they watching? And then the bell rings for the 7th. No 6th round. Whenever I see a round missing I generally just scrap it, but again, I was enjoying the hell out of it and saw it to its end. Really good fight but I thought Manley nicked it. Still PO'd that I didn't get to see the 6th which sounded like a really good one.