the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Thompson was known for faking being hurt and when his opponents moved in for the kill he would explode with a barrage of punches(Qawi used to do it too) and Eubank knew it thats why he was carefull...and even when he wasnt faking and was really hurt he was still very dangerous similar to guys like Gatti , Benn or Saad.

 

Eubank was never the same after the 2nd Watson fight, he lost his killer instinct after that. He also did the same in the Steve Collins fight letting him off the hook.

 

I did not know that. Thank you for the info.

 

That explains why I’ve never scored that fight.

I’ll be over here with Mohamet, Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton.

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Well get on the good foot! Score that sum-b!

 

Joe Frazier - Oscar Bonavena 1
September 21, 1966

Round 1 - Frazier Close
Round 2 - Bonavena - Frazier is knocked down twice
Round 3 - Frazier
Round 4 - Frazier
Round 5 - Frazier
Round 6 - Even
Round 7 - Frazier
Round 8 - Bonavena
Round 9 - Frazier
Round 10 - Bonavena

My score 6-3-1 Frazier. Actual scores were 5-4-1 and 6-4 for Frazier, 5-5 with 7-5 on points for Bonavena.

I had the fight wider than the judges. I just didn't see Bonavena doing too much from rounds 3 through 7.

Amazing how history might have been different. If this fight had been scored on the 10 point must system Bonavena probably wins a unanimous decision. That would have changed how Frazier and the FOTC is viewed.

Also, this fight took place in 1966, 56 years ago. That means that if we were watching a video like this in 1966 it may have been something like the Jack Johnson-Jim Jeffries title scrap of 1910. In 1966 that seemed like ancient history to me yet in 2022 the Frazier-Bonavena fight seems like it wasn't that long ago. I believe I'm getting old. LOL

 

How much allowance did your parents give you during the Great Depression?

 

Just enough to buy one of those cool, gliding balsa wood airplanes.

 

Duane Bobick vs. Fred “Young Sanford” Houpe, scheduled for 10 rounds, heavyweights, at Aladdin Theater in Las Vegas on Oct. 30, 1976.

Bobick, 26, is 214 pounds and 26 years old with a 37-0 record. The Minnesotan is (and I don’t think I knew this) managed by Joe Frazier and has Eddie Futch and George Benton in his corner. Per the broadcast (CBS with Ken Norton on color commentary) he is ranked No. 4 (although it doesn’t say by whom).

Houpe, also 26, is 196 pounds and 12-0 by Boxrec (I’ve seen someone claim 18-0 with some fights missing from his boxrec ledger). He is formerly managed by actor/comedian Redd Foxx, who is present. According to the same account that had him 18-0 (which I found on this forum), he is ranked No. 12 by Ring magazine — not sure if they actually ranked beyond top 10 at the time but I’ll take it on faith … he has a win over Jose “King” Roman, who was on a losing streak but still had name recognition as a former heavyweight challenger, and beat 11-0 then-prospect Jody Ballard in his second fight.

Houpe is a three-time Chicago Golden Glove champ but fights out of Oakland, California. Bobick, of course, was an Olympian with a Pan Am Games win over Teofilo Stevenson (avenged at the 1972 Summer Games).

Fight is scored on the five-point must system so I went with that.

1 — Bobick 5-4 (c): Very competitive round, some nice exchanges, but Duane is busier.

2 — Houpe 4-5: He edges it with some nice clean shots and a late flurry.

3 — Bobick 5-4 (c): Slugfest, really entertaining round. Duane starts fast and does some really good body work, which he will continue throughout.

4 — Bobick 5-4: The pattern of the rest of the fight starts here. Bobick forces Young Sanford to the ropes several times and works over the body and does some mauling. Houpe answers in spurts but can’t keep Duane off him and doesn’t match the pace.

5 — Bobick 5-4: Houpe’s left eye begins to close and from here on he starts catching a lot of right hands. Duane’s jab comes into play when they’re at distance and helps him control the action.

6 — Bobick 5-4

7 — Bobick 5-4: Bobick comes out of his corner fast (and will do the same in rounds 8 and 9) and hurts Houpe with a right hand and stays on top of him. I nearly scored this 5-3 but Houpe rallies a bit mid-round and stays competitive.

8 — Bobick 5-4: Really good work with the jab here by Duane.

9 — Bobick 5-3: Big rally early by Duane and then hurts Houpe late with a left hook and rakes him over pretty good. You can make a case that it’s 5-4 but it’s a really one-sided round.

10 — Houpe 4-5: Young Sanford is a converted southpaw according to commentary and it shows here as he lands a series of banging left hooks to take the play away and really turns it on in a too-little, too-late effort.

My card: 48-41 Bobick. Official cards: 47-45 x 2, 46-44.

I had it much more one-sided but a case could be made that Houpe won the first three rounds and the last one and if you don’t score the ninth 5-3 as I did, then it’s a closer affair on the cards.

Houpe was smaller and wasn’t able to keep Duane off him. He had a really nice jab with a lot of pop but just didn’t use it much to keep Bobick off him and was outworked most of the way.

Duane, bless his heart, doesn’t have an explosive bone in his body. He’s a plodder and his punches have a bit of thud — and he works the body really well, not just hooks to the sides but up the middle too and in combination — but no real snap. On the other hand, he got his with some very good, clean shots and never blinked really.

Of note: Houpe was a Pepperdine graduate who at this juncture says he wants to become a lawyer. He went 2-5 the rest of his career, with three of those fights in the 1990s after retiring for nearly 20 years … with the one win in that comeback coming over Leon Spinks. And he isn’t a lawyer as near as I can tell, but a google search shows he became a paralegal working out of Chicago, so good for him.

Not a sizzling fight but would be good of a weekend afternoon in the mid-1970s. Doesn’t lack for action and not a lot of lulls. If you watch I recommend you not skip the commercials because some of them are pretty hilarious. Nothing is more 1970s than an advert for CB radios, haha.

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Yori Boy Campas v Tony Ayala

Round 1: 10-9 Campas
Round 2: 10-9 Campas
Round 3: 10-9 Campas
Round 4: 10-9 Ayala
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Campas
Round 7: 10-9 Campas
Round 8: 10-9 Campas
Ayala is retired between the 8th and 9th rounds

Total through 8 completed rounds: 79-74 Campas (actual scores: 76-76 and two scores of 77-75 with Campas leading on two cards)

I think we all saw this back in the day. We all wanted to see what Ayala had left in the tank, but strangely, I don't remember it as being this good of a fight. I totally enjoyed this rumble. Campas had a lot of miles on him and Ayala, at his advanced age, was trying to recall his glory days before the comeback after so many years in prison. These two traded some beauties delivered in fast combos and it wasn't until the 7th and 8th rounds that one could see the wheels coming off the Ayala cart. Officially, he was retired with a broken left hand, but his eyes were mere slits and he was really catching a pounding those last two rounds. I will give Ayala credit though, he fought back hard even when it was looking bleak. I was not as generous to Ayala as the judges, however. I think they were feeling a bit too nostalgic. But a damn good fight.

 

I remember seeing this back in the day and was very happy with the result. I also did not understand why ESPN chose to actively promote him based on his brutal crimes.

 

I watched this about 2 weeks ago. good brawl and showed the plusses and minus' of each guy. I did not buy into the hype machine of Ayala in his prime and did not think he was good enough defensively for the abundance of talent around at the time at 154 or even 160.

Wanted to see tony in there with guys like hardrock green and Czyz. Forget guys like hearns and hagler.

 

Wilfred Benitez v Harold Weston 1

Went back to 1977 to watch then-junior welter champ Wilfred Benitez, still only 18 years old, against wily welterweight contender, Harold Weston Jnr.

Great skills on display by both men. My scoring makes it look like a clear fight of two halves with Benitez building up a comfortable lead before Weston came back to make things close but almost all the rounds were close and had plenty of room for interpretation.

1. 10-9
2. 9-10
3. 10-9
4. 10-9
5. 10-9
6. 10-10
7. 9-10
8. 9-10
9. 9-10
10. 10-9

Benitez 96-95 Weston

 

First thing to note for me was that a champion was fighting a non-title fight. You don't see that much nowadays, if ever. I'd forgotten this was the non-win on Benitez record until he fought Leonard. I'm going to have to check this out.

 

Jel, I scored this a couple of months back. I too had it close. Here is what I wrote:

Wilfred Benitez v Harold Weston I (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Weston
Round 3: Benitez
Round 4: Benitez
Round 5: Benitez
Round 6: Benitez
Round 7: Weston
Round 8: Benitez
Round 9: Weston
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-3-2 Benitez (actual scores: 7-3 Benitez and 2 scores of 5-5 for a majority draw)

Some of these rounds were razor close, so its open to your interpretation. It was a decent contest with great film clarity out of MSG. But I really doubt that Benitez ever opened up the engine 100%. He seemed to be laying back. But if that was the case then he smarty-pantsed his way right out of a win because Weston grabbed every moment he could.