the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great fight. Such a pity we never saw Chang-Yuh, which would have been terrific.
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

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    Agree on Amparo's toughness, he had a true ogre in Barkley apprehensive and unsure of himself.

    Good insight on his career too, didn't know his history.
     
  3. Jel

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    All over it, D! Will watch in the next few days and report back.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    Derrell Coley vs Jaime Balboa

    1 Coley
    2 Balboa 10-8 Knockdown
    3 Balboa
    4 Coley
    5 Coley
    6 Coley
    7 Coley
    8 Coley
    9 Coley
    10 Coley
    11 Coley
    12 Balboa 10-8 Knockdown

    105-101 Coley

    I thought this was a robbery i'm not quite sure how the judges came up with a draw even with the 2 knockdowns, and surprisingly Coley was robbed in his hometown aswell. Unfortunately the footage doesn't show what the judges had it so i had to look up on Boxrec, and apparently the scores were 116-112, 113-113, 114-113, so how was it a draw ? i'm assuming Boxrec made a typo somewhere.

    But overall Balboa scored two fairly heavy knockdowns in the fight with the same punch the left hook, but outside of those 2 knockdowns and the 3rd round i didn't see Balboa win another round, and i thought Coley quite clearly outboxed him and won a pretty decisive decision even with the 2 knockdowns.

    I'd be interested to see you score this one sometime @scartissue
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

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    Simon Brown vs Troy Waters

    1 Brown
    2 Brown
    3 Brown
    4 Brown
    5 Brown
    6 Brown
    7 Waters
    8 Brown
    9 Brown
    10 Brown
    11 Brown
    12 Waters

    118-110 Brown

    So this fight is kind of like what @Saintpat has said in the past, every round was competitive but Brown still won a pretty wide decision on my card. Brown was able to outbox Waters and just outhustle him in most of the rounds, Waters kept coming forward and would have some decent moments in the round, but Brown would always take the play away from Waters and edge the rounds.

    I'm not quite sure what one judge was looking at scoring this fight a draw, but luckily the 2 other judges had more sense scoring it 116-112, 118-111.

    Overall decent performance from Brown who was coming off the big upset over Norris, Waters himself fought Norris in that famous war just 7 months before. Waters again was game vs Brown but he was just half a step to slow against the crafty veteran.
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

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    Lupe Pintor vs Jovito Rengifo


    1 Rengifo
    2 Rengifo
    3 Rengifo
    4 Pintor
    5 Pintor
    6 Rengifo
    7 Pintor
    8 Pintor wins by TKO

    67-66 Rengifo

    So i just watched this one after seeing your write up in the Pintor thread @scartissue

    Great effort from Rengifo who made a fast start and landed right hands at will, Pintor seemed to warm up by the end of the 3rd round when he hurt Rengifo for the 1st time. And at that point in the fight i felt like the momentum had shifted in Pintor's favour, and whilst Rengifo did pull out the 6th round for me. It felt like Rengifo was fighting on fumes and fighting for survival, where as Pintor was relaxed in control of himself walking his man down.

    The end was kind of strange and it reminded me of Benn/Watson, Pintor knocked down a weary Rengifo with a solid left jab. Rengifo got up but the referee immediately stops the fight ? i do think the stoppage was a little bit premature, the writing was definitely on the wall for Rengifo who would've been stopped anyway IMO, but i do think the fight could've played a little more.

    Overall good little action fight whilst it lasted.
     
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  7. Saintpat

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    I remember this one and that sounds about right. Waters was in it but wasn’t winning most rounds. Simon definitely had to put his hard hat on and work for it.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D, just watched this fight now. We were very close in our assessment of the fight.

    Buster Douglas v Jesse Ferguson (NJ rounds scoring)

    Round 1: Douglas
    Round 2: Douglas
    Round 3: Ferguson
    Round 4: Even
    Round 5: Douglas
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Douglas
    Round 8: Ferguson
    Round 9: Ferguson
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 4-3-3 Douglas (actual scores: 6-3-1, 7-2-1 and a 5-5 for a majority win for Ferguson)

    I would have been solid with a draw in this fight. It was that kind of a fight. Douglas was the busier but his arsenal wouldn't have been much without that constant popping jab. He was smart enough tactically to maul Ferguson late when he was tiring which prevented Ferguson from getting off his shots. But when Jesse was able to get free, his bodyshots were impressive. Can't complain too much about the decision except for how wide the scores for Jesse were. This was a close fight and again, I would have been good with a draw.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

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    Lupe Pintor vs Alberto Davila 2


    1 Pintor
    2 Davila
    3 Davila
    4 Pintor
    5 Davila
    6 Davila
    7 Pintor
    8 Pintor
    9 Pintor
    10 Pintor
    11 Davila
    12 Pintor
    13 Pintor
    14 Pintor
    15 Pintor

    145-140 Pintor

    Love this fight a great contrast of styles the boxer against the puncher, i feel like Davila had the better of it early on with his counter punching and quick hands getting in and out beating Pintor to the punch. The 7th round was the turning point in the fight for me when Pintor brutally invested to the body punching going to work like a surgeon, and from that point on i felt like Pintor had the better of it for most part landing the harder/more effective punches. I have to say i love Pintor's body punching and his uppercut is a peach of a punch aswell.

    I do feel like the judges were a bit kind to Davila, no doubt he was competitive throughout the fight and started the fight well. But i feel like Pintor won pretty much every round in the 2nd half of the fight and run away with it somewhat.

    Overall a great fight though very underrated definitely one of the better Mexican clashes i've seen.
     
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  10. Jel

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    Dude, I agree with you on the scoring - I had it to Pintor by 5 points as well. I think mine was 146-141.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    David Haney UD12 Yuri Gamboa

    Close to twenty years between these two and this and the huge reach advantage and a notable height advantage would spell the end of Gamboa, if Tank Davis hadn't done so a few months earlier. The styles don't gel that well early and there's that weird COVID atmosphere; Haney basically wants to spear with the jab to the guy while Gamboa gives ground and tries to bring his man onto something nasty. Haney, we now know, is far too disciplined for that nonsense and meanwhile is flashing over a very fast right hand to keep Gamboa honest.

    The first four rounds here are so one sided that you wonder just how Gamboa would have coped with Haney at his best. Mixing in right hands to the body now, Haney is winning these rounds clear and clean. Fifth round though, Gamboa makes his case, he has a disciplined, high guard, is aggressive, throwing almost exclusively hard punches and taking no **** generally, Haney looks momentarily baffled and loses some momentum blowing up big shots on Gamboa's gloves; I think Gambo steels a close one. And the sixth. Haney stops any momentum the Cuban has amassed in the seventh by avoiding greed (two shots tops) making big moves away on the outside and closing to smother on the inside. It is effective, but not great for the fight, although watching Haney at work is absorbing if not exactly a joy.

    Bad to worse in the eleventh as Gamboa tries to hold his way through a long Haney attack, and the referee docks him a point for it. Haney is dismissive of him now. Sad to see, the torch got passed.

    Haney:1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10,11*,12.
    Gamboa:5,6.

    *Gamboa loses a point for excessive holding.

    118-109 Haney.
     
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  12. scartissue

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    Jesse James Leija v Mickey Ward

    Round 1: 10-9 Leija (Leija is also cut from an accidental headbutt)
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Ward
    Round 4: 10-9 Leija
    Round 5: 10-9 Leija
    The fight is stopped between rounds due to Leija's cut and because of the headbutt it goes to the scorecards.

    Total through 5 completed rounds: 49-47 Leija (actual scores 49-46 and 48-47 both for Leija and a 48-47 for Ward with Leija the winner on a technical decision)

    What a bummer! I was just settling in to a good fight starting to unfold when it is called due to an earlier called accidental headbutt. It had the makings of a decent fight and they really just seemed to be getting their engines going when the fight is called. Bummer!
     
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  13. McGrain

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    David Haney UD12 Jorge Linares

    Remember when Linares was the world's number one prospect? It never worked out for him, just too fragile was my feel. It's a little depressing to watch bright young things feast on the corpses of the last generation but it is a time honoured tradition and in Linares and Gamboa, Haney hammered some nails into some quality coffins at least.

    Russell Mora is the referee, guy gives me the ****ing creeps. I'm sure he's very nice and everything but what a **** up at his job. Haney dominates the action completely early, jabbing to open up the body and he lands many jabs and lefts and rights to the body in the first minute. Commentary makes some noise about the Linares check hook, but nah, that's not accurate. He does land a good one with 10 seconds remaining of the first - but so does Haney. Haney lands an uppercut in the second, a new dimension, than manhandles an angry Linares to the ropes. Fair play to Venezualan though - he's smaller, slower, weaker, but he's not looking to hide and tries to jab with the jabber in the third. Haney's jab though is unimpeachable, a superb weapon, at 22 it really is extraordinary to watch. Accuracy is outstanding, mobility is gorgeous, not flashy all the time, not flashy most of the time, but he is always moving, always dipping, going away and coming back - it keeps him hard to hit if not impossible to hit as Linares proves having a good fourth round (Still loses it for me).

    So I have Haney winning nine rounds in a row before Linares bags the tenth. So much is impressive about Haney, but most of all its his improvisation, caught in a weird half clinch being walked back after suffering Linares best flurry fo the fight he lands three short straight right-hands. If he had heavy power he would be lethal, as it is he'll have to live with stinging. His mouth did start to open in the ninth though - he has been throwing a lot of punches - and he has slowed a bit. Still capable of feinting a right hand to the body and then splitting the guard with a left uppercut though.

    In the final phase of the fight Haney is just throwing less and Linares is allowed to deploy himself accordingly. Haney was hurt right at the end of the tenth and elven and twelve belong to Linares pretty clearly. There's a lesson there for Haney. He was running and holding in the twelfth...bad blood at the bell.

    Haney:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
    Linares:10,11,12
     
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  14. McGrain

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    David Haney UD12 Joseph Diaz.

    Joe Diaz is a brave and interesting selection for Haney after Diaz old-manned Shavkatdzhon and Haney was old-manned by Linares albeit for three rounds only. Massive reach advantage for Haney though, let us see how he puts it all together with that jab. Classic start, Diaz making himself small and keeping the gloves high, Haney landing but not to excess as Diaz buttons up. No real pressure from Diaz yet, he needs it. Diaz gets his southpaw jab motoring in two though and closes the distance. ****, it's Rusell Mora again (he did OK last fight). Haney not nearly so dominant as he was against Linares early, but he is 3-0 up on my card nonetheless. Mr.Mora gives Haney a stern warning in the third for hitting after the call break.

    Diaz bulldogs Haney in the fourth, even lifts him and rushes him to the ropes. He lands some good punches to the body - Haney having a think, Diaz is closer than he would want him to be. Haney counters with hard body shots and looming pressure of his own in the fifth, nice adjustment, pushing the fight back onto the aggressor and relying upon his accuracy and selection to control the action. A very bad round for Diaz to lose that. More fo this in the sixth where Diaz does well but Haney lands far and away the harder punches, eye-watering a couple of them. Second half of the ring he takes to his bike and counters. I will say Diaz is doing a lovely job on Haney's jab, not getting his guard split anything like as much as Linares, I'm not sure what to make of that, first, I think that Haney thinks Diaz is there for the harder stuff and a lot of these jabs are half-way, second, Diaz is loving a tricky range for the Haney jab which is long. Good skills both in away makes the Haney jab a little superfluous, to my surprise.

    Diaz hunts that Linares vulnerability with winging left hands inside - Haney lets him have far too much time but on the other hand he is holding these punches well. A clear Diaz round, a little crude, but effective. Straight rights buy Haney the eighth and Diaz needs an extra point from somewhere.

    He doesn't get it - in fact Haney dominates the run in as effectively as he dominated the first half of the fight, a big moment for a young fighter. Drops the twelfth though, but it is marginal and he actually throws Diaz. Needed an engine-check post-Linares, and got it.

    Haney:1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11.
    Diaz:4,7,12.

    117-111 Haney.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    David Haney UD12 George Kambosos I

    So weird to see an elite American boxer in Australia earning his crust. Very strange. Haney sneaks the first round on that jab, though George misses a couple of hard punches by a smidge, Haney ducking and going away to nullify. Kambosos is chancing it all with his hands this low, and you think Haney will love that with the jab but I got Kambosos nicking the second round with a counter-right-hand to that punch specifically. In the third they look to out-wait and out-feint eachother I think, still with their hands low. I have it all square after four and after six! The fight is "bitty" difficult to score, not exciting but kind of absorbing. You do feel like Haney is more likely to dial in Kambosos than it is the reverse.

    Wow, I perhaps didn't expect it to be that literal :lol: Haney won 7-12 on my card. Haney has great feel for a fight, he is sitting down on his punches more, he has started sitting down on his punches a bit more, scoring points with aggression and harder punching just as he began to against Diaz. This is even more impressive though. It' svery easy to say "start taking some chances" but it is extremely hard to do against someone bigger, faster, perhaps even stronger. Kambosos had a go in the eight and fell short, maybe in the twelfth, wins neither on my card. Outclassed. I wonder is the rematch among the more redundant ever?

    Haney:1,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12.
    Kambosos:2,3,6.

    117-111 Haney.
     
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