the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Reymart Gaballo SD12 Emmanuel Rodriguez

    Gaballo does well in the opener, right hands down the middle, jabs, but Rodriguez lands the best punch of the round, a jab that sends the Filipino right back on his heels. They are going to be right in front of each other for the duration of this fight it looks like. Gaballo likes his hands lower and that probably makes the difference in a very close, good opening round. They both want single jabs in the second round, Gaballo wins that argument in the first ninety seconds - a great left hook on 55 seconds remaining probably squares up the second half of the round. Rodriguez is clearly trying to steal these rounds late, but it doesn't work in the second round for me. Interesting third: Rodriguez has changed up. I was wrong to claim a pattern so soon. Rodriguez is moving off and countering in fluid, long combos but not over-reaching. Gaballo is applying the pressure and trying to out-fight Rodriguez when he choses to go for it - clear Rodriguez round is the result for me though Gaballo is very lively in pursuit.

    He remains lively in the fourth, pursuing aggressively, stung by a left hook though, countered into the ropes that's cooled his jets a little bit. His jets are cooled right through to the end of the sixth, which means I have Gaballo 5-1 down and all but in need of a KO or at least a KD. He does turn the fight in the seventh though, three pieces are the key in that round, and he gets through with at least some of those punches. But it doesn't feel like a paradigm shift or a clear change of weather, more that Gaballo just out-fought Rodriguez for the first itme since the second using these strategies. He does tie three rounds together though for me, winning the eight and ninth also before Rodriguez coasts down the stretch. He threw more, he landed more, he controlled the action, he was robbed.

    Rodriguez: 1,3,4,5,6,10,11,12.

    116-112 Rodriguez.
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Vincent Astrolabio UD10 Guillermo Rigondeaux

    What a win for the unheralded Astrolabio. Sure Rigo is on the way out, but who was Astrolabio at this time? A victim, basically. Coming off an eight-round win over a guy called Jerry Pabila. He was the man hsaring a tiny ring with Rigo out in Dubai in early 2022 though while the the Filipino commentary team argue about whether or not Rigo had had a fight since Lomachenko (he had at least four). It's Astrolabio in the first though, landing overhand right-hands while Rigo tries to joust with his lead right. Rigo gets his own backhand going in the second though and probably nicks it, though Astrolabio is making the running.

    It's hustle, really that puts Astrolabio in control of this fight, very controlled aggression, putting himself firmly in range but not getting at all greedy. Seeing where low-risk strategy gets him before he puts anything else on the line. I have no idea who is handling Astrolabio or whether he is a bit of a strategic master with patience all of his own, but what great strategy. He does get away with some punches that would have seen Rigo take his head off in his prime, but Astrolabio is smart, also, about taking two punches where there is one opportunity. It's a balanced approach and the right one.

    Not particularly quick, Astrolabio is proving accurate and has good timing and sensible, mobile defences. Rigo looked uncomfortable throughout and his little jousting right-hand never seemed so insifgnificant to me. The ring looks small and that really didn't help Rio, but I have him 5-1 down after six and the fight is basically the eighth, Astrolabio flashes Rigo with a right hand after repeatedly rattling him with that punch and the penny finally drops for Rigo who goes on to win the ninth and tenth on my card.

    A deserved decision for Vincent.


    *Rigo down.

    96-93 Astrolabio
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Chayaphon Moonsri UD12 Melvin Jerusalem

    The most controversial win of Moonsri's amazing run, this fight is 2017 I think. Tense battle fo the jabs early, Melvin a little quicker. No hurting on these punches, but he out-touches Monnsri in the first. Zinger of a left hook sends Moonsri dancing into the ropes to punctuate the round. It is more of the same in the second, but Melvin will have to be a bit careful, he is getting wild with his punches. Works in 2 though. Moonsri flips a switch in the third though, whether this is a part of a plan (he can be a slow starter) or if it is because he has been prompted by Melvin's own fast start, he's making meatballs, stepping sharply, prodding out that left like Melvin was in the first, tying on a right hand tot he body behind it. Good boxing, Melvin right back in his box. This makes the fourth a huge round strategically and in determining how the fight will unfold, is another adjustment going to put Melvin in charge 3-1 or has Moonsri successfully hit the reset button in tying it up once more?

    It is a good busy round with lots of exchanges, lots of good bodywork form both men, aggression, I thought Melvin's boxing was a little cleaner. It is more of the same in the fifth and Moonsri is in bad trouble on my card. Moonsri gets rough in the clinch, but even here, I thought Melvin just about out-worked his man and stole the round in the final ten seconds. Moonsri wants to wrestle, and he is hitting to the kidneys. Melvin changes up in the sixth, some mobility, going away from his man, seeking to stay out of the way a bit. Sixth is a very close round, Moonsri finishes the stronger....i think Melvin though. This one is closer but. Moonsri finally stops the rot in the seventh though, but at five two down he needed it. He does it mostly from the outside, too, popping a very fast jab and keeping out of trouble, these guys have really worked through the strategies and i've enjoyed that aspect of the fight very much. Moonsri lands the right hand in this round and that's going to be the key punch if he's going to close the gap.

    Melvin is warned twice for low blows in the eight and immediately lands another one - the referee takes a point probably prematurely but it's not completely objectionable. He was very low and right after a warning. When Melvin wins the ninth though, despite the upset of the WBCs open scoring having him so far behind he all-but needs of a knockout, Melvin cannot be caught on my card despite the deducted point.


    *Melvin has a point off for a low blow.

    116-111, pretty brutal stuff this. Melvin Jerusalem robbed. He was faster, more accurate, mostly hit with the appearance of more power and was more fouled than fouling.
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Jose Torres W15 Eddie Cotton

    Glad I saw this from at least a historical perspective. Must've been a slow year if this won "Fight of The Year" honors, but it was compelling in spots.

    Frustrating. That's the one word I would use to describe this as a fan. Neither man seemed willing to commit his resources to a point of truly claiming victory. Torres showed a bit of a spark in the last two rounds, but there was no excuse for leaving it to the end that way. The guy in front of you is 40 for God's sake. Tax him, take his legs away, work! Do SOMEthing besides hide placidly behind your peekaboo defense. There's so little fire in Torres, he's hard for me to watch. Too content to be a fighter.

    Cotton fights well, but his style is more naturally defensive. He too should have worked more, but he can at least fall back on his age and natural style as excuses. I guess.

    Whichever way you cut it, opportunities abounded for both men to make a statement with their efforts, and the fight was winnable for both. In the end, they were apparently content to let the sentence end with a period instead of an exclamation mark, and let the judges do their math and decide who was incrementally more effective, if not ambitious.

    2- Even

    144-142 Torres.
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    There you go again @salsanchezfan, picking on the classics.
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  6. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    At least it wasn't a Vinny Pazienza fight.

    Then again, at least he tried.

  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    Shame on you.
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    Winky Wright vs Fernando Vargas

    1 Vargas
    2 Wright
    3 Even
    4 Vargas
    5 Wright
    6 Wright
    7 Vargas
    8 Wright
    9 Wright
    10 Vargas
    11 Wright
    12 Vargas

    115-114 Wright

    I decided to rewatch this fight again because of the recent thread made here about Wright, overall i felt like Wright was unlucky to lose the decision. I'm not saying it was a robbery but i would find it hard to have Vargas winning the fight, for me at best Vargas deserved a draw.

    Wright for me was the aggressor for most of the fight and definitely had the better of it after 9 rounds. Vargas would have his moments counter punching and landing the harder punches when he decided to slug with Wright. But for me Wright's effective aggression coming forward clearly had the edge after 9 rounds. To Vargas's credit he did rally in the last few rounds, but Vargas clearly lost the 11th round. And i don't think Vargas's rally in rounds 10 and 12 were enough to overcome Wright's work in the first 9 rounds.

    Overall a very good fight though but for me Wright was unlucky to lose here, i think at worst Wright should've got a draw.
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    D, scored this about 2 years ago. Although off in a round or two, we're very close in our assessments. This is what I wrote:

    Fernando Vargas v Winky Wright

    Round 1: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 2: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 5: 10-9 Wright
    Round 6: 10-9 Wright
    Round 7: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Wright
    Round 10: 10-9 Vargas
    Round 11: 10-9 Wright
    Round 12: 10-9 Vargas

    Total: 116-114 Vargas (actual scores: 115-113, 116-112 both for Vargas and a 114-114 Even, for a majority win for Vargas)

    Wow, so close. If I scored this again, I know my score would be different. I think a draw would have been the correct score here. One has to stay super-focused on this fight when scoring. I wanted to just sit back and enjoy it after a couple of rounds of scrutinizing, but then just kept to the task. There's no bad score here as long as its close.
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Francisco 'Panchito' Bojado v Frankie Santos

    Round 1: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 2: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 3: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Santos
    Round 7: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 8: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 9: 10-9 Bojado
    Round 10: Bojado drops and stops Santos

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 89-84 Bojado (actual scores: 88-83, 87-84 and another 87-84 all for Bojado)

    This was a decent fight and in the middle rounds it really looked like Santos was taking the play away from Bojado before Panchito ramped up his output. Santos wasn't a bad fighter at all. What he had that Bojado did not was good fundamentals. He had a tight guard, a sharp jab, worked the body nicely and threw some sharp combos. Bojado on the other hand threw flashy punches with his guard down and many times would land while on the move. Again, flashy, but they weren't taking root. On the telecast they made a point of saying that Bojado has already changed trainers 3 times before the age of 20. I think he needed some continuity in his boxing life as he never got to that next step. Still, he finally did enough here to take out the stubborn Santos.
  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    It was a very close fight but I can't help feel that Wright was a bit unlucky. Considering he fought out of his normal comfort zone taking it too Vargas.

    I don't feel like Wright ever got the benefit of the doubt in any of his close fights vs Vargas, Simon, Taylor. I might actually watch the Taylor and Simon fights again this week.
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  12. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Rocky Lockridge:

    Round 1: Lockridge
    Round 2: Chavez
    Round 3: Chavez
    Round 4: Chavez
    Round 5: Lockridge
    Round 6: Chavez
    Round 7: Chavez
    Round 8: Lockridge
    Round 9: Chavez
    Round 10: Chavez
    Round 11: Chavez
    Round 12: Chavez

    117-111 Chavez, why people say this was a close fight i do not know.
  13. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Fidel Bassa W15 Hilario Zapata (1)

    This was a really intriguing fight. I'd seen one of the McAuley fights (Bassa) and one Zapata fight that hardly counts, his one round demolition at the hands of Sung Kil Moon. I needed some more info on both.

    I like Bassa; he comes at the slick Zapata like a house on fire. I was going to wax poetic here if I could, something about substance over form and how Bassa won this through sheer aggression, effective or otherwise in the face of more stylish skills. Midway through the fight, that storyline made sense.

    It's not that Zapata was fighting badly or making mistakes. He tried to maintain distance, he tried snapping the jab, he tried doing whatever it was he was accustomed to doing. Little of that has meaning though, when you have a whirling dervish in front of you. Bassa was all over him, nullifying any pretense Zapata might have had about keeping distance or countering smartly. He was just trying to survive.

    Zapata though, is a marvel of conditioning and coordination. somehow he not only withstands the windmill attack of Bassa going into the mid-rounds, he rallies, still slick as ever, still composed, still boxing crisply and maintaining focus and sharpness. Perhaps form over substance really is the way to go. Or maybe Zapata just had both.

    Zapata never hurts Bassa, but the Columbian shows himself to be human after all and decelerates sharply in the second half of the fight. How could he not? Suddenly, Zapata is maintaining comfortable distance with his increasingly frequent jab, always bending this way and that to avoid whatever may be coming back, real or imagined. Bassa never stops chasing but throws far less and now it's Zapata putting rounds in the bank, closing the deficit in a big hurry.

    The 15th round is a study in contrast. Zapata opens sharply with more movement and jabs, but Bassa decides to try to offset what he can even if he can't throw many punches anymore. He mauls Zapata and wrestles him to the ropes to try to negate the nonstop movement. I scored that one even, which was important. If Bassa won the round outright I'd have had it a draw instead of a close points win for Zapata. Really though, this fight is as close as can be, and any score for either man by as much as a couple points is totally fine as far as I'm conerned. It's that kind of fight. I have no problem with the decision going to Bassa even though I had Zapata by the very slimmest of margins.

    1. Bassa
    2. Bassa
    3. Bassa
    4. Even
    5. Bassa
    6. Bassa (seems like he's running away with this thing)
    7. Zapata
    8. Bassa
    9. Zapata
    10. Zapata (hmmmm......getting interesting now)
    11. Zapata
    12. Zapata
    13. Zapata
    14. Zapata
    15. Even

    This is Dewey-Truman and Dave Wottle at Munich in 1972 all over again.

    144-143 Zapata.

    I'd be keenly interested to see other cards. This one was hard.
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Carlos Ortiz vs. Sugar Ramos is a contender. It’s certainly the most eventful fight of the year.
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