the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Alfonso Zamora vs Hong II

Cracking fight this. Think Zamora gets a bit underrated as a boxer due to his evident power, and later reliance on this. In this fight (and most of his early fights I have seen) he shows some nice skills: his guard is tight; footwork relaxed and used to make his man fall short alot; punches are nice compact and accurate; and his jab was used to set up his attacks.

He sets up his attacks lovely with little angles with his feet, and defensivly is very aware and makes Hong miss a fair few times, and most importantly makes him pay for it.

I got a load of Zamora still to watch, so it will beinteresting to see if I think he was a talented boxer-puncher or pure swarmer

 

Pacquiao vs Marquez III Score
(ROBBERY)

Round 1: 10-9 Pacquiao (I can see a Marquez round or an even round too)

Round 2: 10-9 Marquez

Round 3: 10-9 Marquez

Round 4: 10-9 Pacquiao

Round 5: 10-9 Marquez

Round 6: 10-9 Marquez

Round 7: 10-9 Marquez

Round 8: 10-9 Marquez

Round 9: 10-9 Marquez

Round 10: 10-9 Pacquiao

Round 11: 10-9 Marquez

Round 12: 10-9 Marquez

9-3 Marquez, pretty easy to score

 

Jung Koo Chang vs Francisco Montiel I

This wasn't an easy night for the Korean. He won most of the rounds based on his unrelenting pressure, but he had to take a few hard shots on the way in. Montiel, who was only 19 years old at the time, gave a good account of himself by fighting on the back foot and countering his opponent. Unfortunately, despite some nice left hooks landed, Montiel wasn't able sustain any of his work and was ultimately out-worked and out-landed. A point deduction occured when Chang began to hold but the fight was already won by this point.

It's worth noting how Chang was visibly exchausted as early as round 11. It raises a few question marks in my mind with how he would have planned to stay with Yuh for the full duration, who routinely threw 100 punches a round without breaking a sweat. Just sayin'.

 

85 was the year it became obvious Chang wasn't a dedicated champ.He got an arguable gift in his 2nd fight with German Torres as well that year(who had already been beaten much more convincingly) and was semi-forced to fight Torres and Montiel again.His performances in those resulting 86 fights were arguably the last time we saw Chang well-trained and at his peak.

That's one of the drawbacks of Chang's career that wouldn't be instantly recognisable because of his strong number of title defences.People that haven't seen him fight or researched him might look at his paper record and get the impression of a very consistent champion with good longevity, but he's actually more like Benitez, Lynch or tyson in that he did all his best work in a fairly short period of time and then quickly burned out.

Albeit he still made another couple years defences while flaming out, it was clear by the Ohashi rematch his lifestyle had taken a toll on him.


Yuh on the other hand had a gymrat reputation and impeccable stamina.He would definitely give Chang a hard fight if the hawk didn't train right for the bout.And maybe even if he did, who knows.

 

Cheers Lora.

I don't see Chang ever having an easy time with Yuh though. Regardless of what Chang turns up. Yuh was a monster when it came to fighting in the trenches. Never down as a professional. Legendary conditioning. Chang would have to go through hell to get the W.

 

Yuh was a tough proposition and a consistent performer, but I don't really rate his opposition all that much. I think Chang would be too talented for him, just a higher level of operator IMO.

 

Not for me, Flea. Yuh didn't beat the likes of Torres or Zapata, but that's not to say he couldn't have. Boxing is about styles. We've just had yet another reminder of this with the third installment of Manny Pacquiao & Juan Manuel Marquez. Yuh's punch variety and technical ability was on a fairly high level, in my opinion, and would see him be very competitive in the exchanges. His conditioning was practically unrivalled at the weight, and so if it becomes the kind of toe to toe war I'd expect, Yuh would be the one getting stronger in the late stages, not Chang. Granted, Chang was the sharper puncher, but Yuh can take anything he has to offer in my opinion and he'll return fire, just as he always did. It's a hard fight whichever way you cut it.

Perhaps you can break it down for me why you think Chang would dominate Yuh. I just don't see it mate.

 

I don't think he would dominate him (and don't think I said he could) I just think Changs ability to revert to his loose, mid-range work, his feints, and own durability would mean he'd also have no worries doing the 12 if Yuh has success mixing his shots to head and body as he did so well. This is a distance fight.

In terms of conditioning, Chang was such a canny, tiring inside fighter I'm not certain Yuh has the advantage there either. Chang could tie his man up and work with his free hand as good as anyone, and knew how to bide his time. Against a strong worker like his countryman, this would help him get the respite he'd need at some point.

Would it be a great fight? Yes. I just favour Chang to do the better work and land more shots, I don't really favour many against him on his best day to be honest, not even many Flys (he effectively beat the no.1 at Fly way past his best...although whether or not Sot still should've been recognised at that point is another question entirely)

What would you say Yuhs best win was? Blanco? :good

 

Oh, and Lora, Chang was horrid in the 2nd Torres fight.

 

I actually like Yuh at mid-range. He had a nice jab which helped him set up combinations behind it, and he also had the ring craft and timing to punish and counter his opponent. For example, when Chang would leap in from mid-range with his head up, Yuh could exploit this. Slowing down the pace and being more scientific actually wouldn't benefit Chang, in my opinion.

I've seen Yuh throw an inordinate amount of punches from round 1 to 15 on a number of different occasions. How many times did Chang have to do this? I take Lora's point seriously as he clearly knows his stuff, but the fact remains Chang was extremely tired after 10 rounds against an inferior fighter to Yuh in Jorge Cano. The pace wasn't even particuarly punishing in that one.

Favouring him is fine, but it's because he's more talented and a higher level operator? I'm not sure. Why would Chang get the better of the exchanges? If it's a long grueling fight, what seperates Chang from Yuh? Yuh had better ring craft than Chang, in my opinion, so why would it benefit him to slow things down and work from mid-range?

Well he ultimately beat every man he ever faced so I'm not sure. Let me think about it. :hi:

 

The main problem i see for Yuh is speed.

Yuh didn't have more than typical\average quickness of hand or foot nor reflexes by Fly standards.His defence was better than average because he was so fundamentally sound, but he still took a fair amount of shots from the quicker fighters he fought.

Chang at his best had exceptional footspeed and ability to close and create distance in an unorthodox manner, as well as quick hands and strong reflexes.Even guys like Zapata and Chitalada, two of the quickest lateral movers and outfighters in the divisions history couldn't keep chang away or dictate range(Chitalada only really came into the fight after he had fouled open a bad cut on Chang)


He's going to be the one dictating when and where most of the exchanges take place.Yuh can lapse into coming forward in straight lines at a methodical pace, which while a strength against some fighters because of his stamina and output, yet wouldn't serve him well here imo.

I just see him getting beat to the punch and outmaneuvered both on the outside and inside.

That's not to say he'll be thrashed or won't have his own strong moments, however.

 

Fair enough, Lora.

Myung Woo Yuh vs Leo Gamez I

1. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
2. Leo Gamez 10-9 (close)
3. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9 (close)
4. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
5. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
6. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
7. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9 (close)
8. Leo Gamez 10-9 (close)
9. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
10. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
11. Leo Gamez 10-9
12. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9

Closer than the second fight but this one still had a fairly clear winner. Yuh was landing the cleaner shots with his straight right hand, and his body shots was usually the showier work on the inside. Gamez boxed well at times and caught Yuh in a lot of the rounds, but he found himself being outworked for most part. The best I could probably see is 8-4. Maybe 7-5 at a stretch.

 

It's a shame Gamez kept moving through the weights and became a bit of an alphabet titleist joke.He was a solid contender and a tidy little fighter at 112 and below.

 

Agreed. Gamez showed nice skills in this one, but was thoroughly spanked in the rematch.

 

As I say, Chang was an odd mid-range fighter and a stifling inside fighter. I think he negates Yuhs workrate.