the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Rocky Marciano vs Archie Moore 21st of September 1955

round 1: Archie 10 - 9
round 2: Archie 10 - 8
round 3: Rocky 10 - 9 (close)
round 4: Rocky 10 - 9
round 5: Archie 10 - 9
round 6: Rocky 10 - 7
round 7: Archie 10 - 9
round 8: Rocky 10 - 8
round 9: Rocky wins by KO

Archie had initial success in this fight when jabbing and landing short uppercuts inside. Archie put Rocky down with a short right in the second. In the third and fourth Rocky came back and was successful when pressuring Archie against the ropes landing hooks. Some of these may have been blocked but Rocky's agression is what catches the eye. In the fifth Archie did a better job keeping distance, jabbing and staying off the ropes. The sixth was a brutal round for Archie. Rocky put him down with a right and when Archie got up Rocky was relentless with hooks while Archie was against the ropes. Archie fired back some and moved away from the ropes only to be put down again. Archie recovered and was able to keep distance and throw 1-2s in the seventh. Archie was having a good eighth until a right hook put him down again. Archie was saved by the bell. In the ninth Rocky landed a left hook that slumped Archie against the ropes. Archie was counted out. A brutal performance from Rocky Marciano.

 

Fighting Harada vs Bernardo Caraballo 4th of July 1967

round 1: Harada 10 - 8
round 2: Harada 10 - 9
round 3: Bernardo 10 - 9
round 4: Harada 10 - 9
round 5: Harada 10 - 9
round 6: Harada 10 - 9
round 7: Harada 10 - 9
round 8: Bernardo 10 - 9
round 9: Bernardo 10 - 9
round 10: Harada 10 - 9
round 11: Harada 10 - 8
round 12: Harada 10 - 9
round 13: Bernardo 10 - 9 (close)
round 14: Harada 10 - 9
round 15: Bernardo 10 - 9 (close)

Harada 145 to 138

Caraballo started strong landing a couple left rights that stung Harada, but the champ responded by knocking Bernardo down before the end of the first. Bernardo was swinging wildly early on, occasionally landing on Harada but often missing and leaving Bernardo off balance. Harada's straight right kept Bernardo honest in the second, but Bernardo's wild left hooks found success in the third. Bernardo finally started finding his jab in the sixth, but after eating some big hooks from the champ, Bernardo began swinging wildly again. The seventh was Harada's best round as he landed a couple of big straight rights, an overhand right and some straights to the body. In the eighth and ninth Bernardo found his jab again and was able to right hooks and uppercuts. Toward the end of the fight Bernardo started clinching more than punching and had a point deducted after refusing to let go of a clinch when the ref tried to seperate them. A hard fought, but clear win for Fighting Harada.

 

RJ, I had it a bit closer (and I scored on the 5 point must system used in Japan at the time) but also found it to be a good technical fight. That first round has always been a bit of a conundrum, which I explained in my diatribe below. This is how I had it:

Fighting Harada v Bernardo Caraballo (bantamweight title)

Round 1: 5-4 Harada (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Caraballo
Round 4: 5-4 Caraballo
Round 5: 5-4 Harada
Round 6: 5-5 Even
Round 7: 5-4 Harada
Round 8: 5-4 Caraballo
Round 9: 5-4 Caraballo
Round 10: 5-4 Harada
Round 11: 5-3 Harada (Caraballo loses a point for excessive holding)
Round 12: 5-4 Caraballo
Round 13: 5-4 Harada
Round 14: 5-4 Harada
Round 15: 5-4 Harada

Total: 70-66 Harada (actual scores: 72-66, 72-68 and 71-68 all for Harada)

Good tactical fight until the late rounds, which became a bit of a clinchfest. I felt Caraballo just did not throw enough punches when he had things going his way. The first round is the only one where I really have to explain. Harada scored a knockdown late in the round, which may have some scoring it as a 2 point round for Harada. However, I felt that was arguably the best round of Caraballo (even though he lost it) after having stunned Harada about three times during the round. I just could not give Harada a 2-pointer for the knockdown alone. I gave him the round, but just.

 

Okay, I scored Whitaker-Ramirez 1. I see both sides of the fence with this fight, but do feel the wrong guy got the nod.

It was a fight in three stages, really; the first few rounds going to Whitaker, then Ramirez's pressure beginning to pay dividends as he takes most of the middle rounds, and then Whitaker coming back late, excpet I gave the 12th round to Ramirez based on sheer work rate. I seem to remember Whitaker's hand being hurt here, and his lack of left-hand power shots in the second half of the fight would seem to bear that out, but no excuses. Ramirez was indeed dogged and determined and did apply lots of pressure, even if it did only amount to following Whitaker around a lot of the time. He was unsuccessful in cornering Pernell and very rarely landed anything solidly. As such, I just can't give him the decision. He just didn't accomplish much. Whitaker controlled the distance for the most part, and landed by far the cleaner punches. One could argue that Ramirez dictated the pace here as he never stopped coming forward but his forward movement was too often purposeless.

That said, any talk of a robbery is kind of overdoing it. It was fairly close, and there were enough stylistic preference question marks available to where one could feasibly see it for Ramirez I suppose. I didn't see it that way though. So........for me anyway, not a robbery per se, but I do think Pernell deserved this.

1. Whitaker
2. Whitaker
3. Whitaker
4. Ramirez
5. Whitaker
6. Ramirez
7. Ramirez
8. Ramirez
9. Whitaker
10. Whitaker
11. Whitaker
12. Ramirez

115-113 Whitaker.

 

On the NY scoring system used at the time (rounds basis), your score would have been 4-4 going into the 9th. Amazing how different it lines up using today's scoring.

 

Thanks for the info I've never heard of a 5 point must system

 

Doug Jones v Von Clay III (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Jones
Round 2: Jones
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Clay
Round 5: Jones
Round 6: Jones
Round 7: Jones
Round 8: Jones
Round 9: Jones
Round 10: Jones drops and stops Clay

Total through 9 completed rounds: 7-1-1 Jones (actual scores: 8-1, 6-3 and 5-3-1 all for Jones)

Loved this fight. I love so many from this era because they were there to entertain the audience and hope to get another televised bout. And these two didn't disappoint. Jones had such beautiful, short punches and combos while Clay had a nice jab and was looking to get in a wallop, but he just didn't throw enough to catch my eye anyway. Clay started to tire around the 8th or 9th as you could see any work he did start to trail off before Jones lowered the boom in the 10th. Good fight.

 

Thanks @scartissue. Nice to see you score this one.

 

A good fight, too. Keep them coming, William.

 

That's pretty much how i saw it although i had it a bit wider at 116-112, a closer fight than what people make out. But no doubt for me Whitaker won it based on the early rounds and the late rounds.

 

Still working on converting all my fights all over again (got like 30 to go). No promises, but I might try to upload a new one tonight. I haven't done one in a while.

 

Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter v Farid Salim (5 point must used in Pa.)

No use tallying a card here. I had it 50-40 for Carter (actual scores: 50-40, 50-41 and an unusual 49-45 all for Carter).

This is not must-see stuff unless you watch it for historical viewing. Carter punched with authority throughout while Salim responded with taps. Salim was in complete contrast to his fellow Argentines that came down the pike. He was lean and as I said before, only fired taps, whereas the burly, strong-as-an-ox Argentine who clubbed his opponent into the ground seemed to be the norm. In a land that produced Eduardo Lausse, Oscar Bonavena, Juan Roldan, Victor Galindez, Miguel Cuello and Jorge Castro, one wonders where Salim came from. BTW, that last card was 5-1-4 for Carter. That is being verrrrrry generous to Salim.

 

Julio Cesar Chavez KO10 Sammy Fuentes

Wanted to look at a couple of Julio's fights, and this was the first. This is his last title fight of the 80's, with the buildup to his mega-fight with Taylor looming ahead. Taylor was even called upon during HBO's broadcast to give input as to Chavez's performance as a means to further hype the showdown.

He probably had a lot of things he could have said based on this. Chavez was not razor sharp, but it's a testament to his greatness that he can have a sort of off day like this and still conclusively beat a very good fighter like Fuentes.

Fuentes is stoic and businesslike, and shows no fear or undo respect for the by-now legendary Mexican. He throws a lot of punches, and despite being a pressure fighter by nature, does a good job of moving enough to make himself at least a little elusive. Chavez, meanwhile, eases into the pace as is his norm. He doesn't throw much but is unerringly accurate when he does, and his left hook to the body is just a work of art. So, so, effective. Fuentes builds a head of steam, but Chvez is nothing if not relaxed, and he fights with a level of confidence that even though a couple early rounds went against him, he hadn't yet ramped it up and only needed that one more gear to turn it around.

Through five, I have this even. Fuentes is brave and resolute, despite taking an increasingly hard beating as Chavez heats up. Lederman and Merchant of the HBO crew are giving Fuentes more credit than I am, though he is fighting well and deserves a lot of respect for going in tough and showing his willingness to absorb a hammering.

Then Chavez turns up the heat. Punchea are incresing in number and fluidity and though he never went down, Fuentes is slowed and now continually backs up. Chavez's best punch here is of course the hook to the body but he's always thrown a neat and very short and tidy overhand right. Not the big, looping thing like Lockridge threw, this is tight and short and crisp, like a hatchet chop. From the sixth round on, all rounds go to Chavez and by increasing margins. Finally, Fuentes's corner pulls him out after the tenth, realizing the landslide they can no longer combat.

1. Fuentes
2. Chavez
3. Fuentes
4. Chavez
5. Even
6. Chavez
7. Chavez
8. Chavez
9. Chavez
10. Chavez

98-93 Chavez at the time of the stoppage.

 

Chavez was such a machine in his prime

 

His consistency and singleness of purpose was a thing to behold.