the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great observations.

    Yes, Tony Perez got the stoppage just right. He gave Nelson a chance but no force on earth was going to get him through that round after Salvador put him down and he was out of gas. Any further punishment would have been inhumane.

    And Nelson fought a brilliant, gutty fight. He planted his flag in a loss and kept it planted for years to come.

    Finally, I don’t know of any other featherweight of the day (including Pedroza with fair scoring) who beats Azumah that night. Taking the play away from Sanchez after Chava scored the knockdown and had taken over the fight was a sight to behold.
     
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  2. Saintpat

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    There’s an old coaching saying (that’s true for all things in life): Never waste a failure. Azumah certainly didn’t waste this one — he came up short, but he learned from it and applied those lessons. He was confident, full of **** and vinegar and ended up in a very competitive effort having the starch taken out of him when he was, in the end, battered and stopped. It could have been discouraging … instead it was a turning point.

    I think the Arguello fight was the same for Ray Mancini.

    My Pop had a saying: “That guy has a lot of champion in him.” Those who learn from their failure and strive to improve are the ones with a lot of champion in them.
     
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Speaking of Arguello, he learned from his loss to Ernesto Marcel and Marcel learned from his draw with Shibata. Those stumbles made them all better fighters.
     
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  4. Saintpat

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    Marciano and PBF never learned a damned thing, haha.
     
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  5. salsanchezfan

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    Oddly, I don't know that I've ever scored this. I'll try to shake loose from a couple things to get it done!
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

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    Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran

    1 Duran
    2 Hagler
    3 Duran
    4 Duran
    5 Hagler
    6 Hagler
    7 Hagler
    8 Hagler
    9 Hagler
    10 Hagler
    11 Duran
    12 Duran
    13 Duran
    14 Hagler
    15 Hagler

    144-141 Hagler

    So i decided to watch this fight again after discussing Hagler recently, i have to say this was a much better fight than i remembered. Duran i felt did well early on when it was more of a boxing match, he was able to land some good body shots and pot shot Hagler on the outside with right hands.

    After 5th round i thought it was all Hagler as he decided to stop having a boxing match with Duran, and come out as the aggressor and simply out punched Duran between rounds 5-10.

    Now strangely in the 11th round Hagler came out dancing ? and virtually threw nothing in this round giving that round away. And that seemed to turn the momentum in Duran's favour as it turned into more of a boxing match again, as Duran once again was able to pot shot Hagler with right hands to win rounds 11-13 pretty clearly for me.

    Hagler sensing the fight was getting closer and probably learning from Antuofermo fight how to pace himself, came out in rounds 14-15 giving it all he had emptying the gas tank to clearly win rounds 14-15.

    Overall a pretty entertaining fight and much better than i remember as i said, Hagler showed some good defence parrying Duran's right hand. And Duran himself showed some good elusive skills rolling with Hagler's punches.
     
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  8. Blofeld

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    Iran Barkley vs Michael Olajide

    A solid battle if pretty scrappy. The most surprising thing was how good Iran's jab was when he used it. Olajide's legs looked like Bambi on ice from the first round. He also had a decent jab but didn't have the balance or space to use it effectively. Possibly stopped a little early but on the other hand you don't want the ref to take any chances with Iran beating on you.

    1 - Barkley 10 Olajide 9

    2 - Barkley 10 Olajide 8

    3 - Barkley 10 Olajide 9

    4 - Barkley 8 Olajide 10

    5 - KO5 for Iran

    Barkley 38 Olajide 36
     
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  9. Blofeld

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    Robbie Sims vs Iran Barkley

    Really underrated fight! Both guys showed a ton of guts and round 5 is one of the best ever! I think Iran dropped more from exhaustion than any one punch. Robbie kept his head when he could easily have been stopped using his extra experience to weather the storm. Robbie had excellent hand speed and a solid punch but his balance wasn't so great and he had a tendency to slug rather than box. An excellent fighter though and a good win. Barkley showed the guts, pressure and punch that would lead him to 3 titles, the only thing missing here was stamina. Very difficult to score as both threw a ton of punches and I kept getting wrapped up in the fight however I slightly favoured Iran's heavier blows until the KO.

    1 - Sims 10 Barkley 9

    2 - Sims 10 Barkley 10

    3 - Sims 9 Barkley 10

    4 - Sims 9 Barkley 10

    5 - Sims 10 Barkley 10

    6 - KO 6 by Sims

    Sims 48 - Barkley 49
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

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    At the time, the magazines were touting Olajide as Hagler's successor in the vacuum created after the Leonard loss. I never bought it. Fighting looked so unnatural to him. He looked very wooden, as if he were reading from a script he had to memorize rather than let his abilities flow.
     
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  11. Blofeld

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    Good write up! Also a good example of why I preferred 15 round fights, those final three rounds could make all the difference and so many fights from the 12 round era would be different if they had gone 15.
     
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  12. Blofeld

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    I haven't seen Olajide fight before actually but on this form I agree with you (although he did deck Barkley). No disrespect to him as he seemed to have guts but checked his record and was really surprised he got three title shots, his record didn't seem to warrant it. He did seem to have a really long jab that could have been effective but as you say he just appeared awkward, and this was against Iran, hardly the most graceful fighter!
     
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    Leonard vs Hearns II

    Revisited this old classic, I had forgotten how good it was! I had Tommy winning pretty clearly with the 2 knock downs making the difference. There was a lot of tactical work and it was clear they were both exhausted by the last third of the fight. I think Ray swayed the judges with his epic charge during the last round, I think everyone was amazed he could find the energy for that rally! Unlike some other draws it didn't feel dissatisfying, Hearns got his redemption and seemed happy with that. Better than the first fight IMO simply because you know they are past their peak and have to rely on pure guts to get them through!

    1 - Leonard 9 Hearns 10

    2 - Leonard 9 Hearns 10

    3 - Leonard 8 Hearns 10

    4 - Leonard 10 Hearns 9

    5 - Leonard 10 Hearns 9

    6 - Leonard 9 Hearns 10

    7 - Leonard 10 Hearns 10

    8 - Leonard 9 Hearns 10

    9 - Leonard 10 Hearns 9

    10 - Leonard 10 Hearns 10

    11 - Leonard 8 Hearns 10

    12 - Leonard 10 Hearns 9

    Hearns 116 - Leonard 112
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've been meaning to watch the welterweight championship contest between Emile Griffith and Jose Stable and today was as good a day as any. I saw there was 57 minutes to the vid, which was good. I thought there would be no omitted rounds and hunkered down. Well, I was wrong. It was missing the 4th and normally, I just abort right there but I was a bit intrigued by the bout so I soldiered on. Until the 11th, when i saw them flashing round 12. At that point I put my pen down and that was that. I watched to the end but I wasn't going to present an incomplete card. Suffice to say I enjoyed it for what went on, watching Griffith's beautiful combos from the outside and Stable, who was a body-punching specialist, on the inside. But those two deleted rounds annoyed me.
     
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  15. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Felix Trinidad (23-0 19 KOs) vs Yori Boy Campas (56-0 50 KOs)

    Now before I get into this one, I see often the debate of boxing is dying there are no good fights etc etc. Now my take is that there are good fights pretty often but the issue is that inactivity and a reluctance for some marquee matchups are putting boxing in a bad state right now. Why do I bring this up? Let me set up this fight

    Trinidad is making the 4th defense of his IBF title he won 15 months prior (that's 5 fights in 15 months)
    Before Campas he beat

    Hector Camacho(43-2) UD
    Anthony Stephens(19-5-2) KO10
    Luis Garcia(24-2) KO1
    IBF champ Maucie Blocker (34-3) KO2

    And he would fight again after this 3 months later scoring a KO8 over 32-0 Oba Carr. I mean can you imagine Spence, Crawford, Fury, Usyk whoever going to bat like that?

    Also let's talk about the card and how it puts everycard from recent memory to shame

    Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor 2
    Trinidad vs Campas
    Gabriel Ruelas vs Jesse James Leija
    Vincent Pettway vs Gianfranco Rosi
    Frankie Randall vs Juan Martin Coggi
    Ricardo Lopez vs Surachi Saengmorakot
    Giovanni Parisi vs Freddie Pendleton

    Besides Parisi vs Pendleton (10 rounder) every fight is a title fight. Go look at other PPVs from the last few years and find me a better card.....

    Anyway

    Round 1
    Campas presses forward throwing power shots, Trinidad is trying to figure out his groove and distance. Close fun round
    10-9 Trinidad(close)

    Round 2
    Campas drops Trinidad hard but Tito bounces back up pretty quick, Campas lands some more power shots and wobbles Trinidad but Trinidad starting to gets his power shots in as well
    10-8 Campas

    Round 3
    Trinidad gets docked a point for a low blow, but he does better this round
    10-8 Camp as

    Round 4
    Trinidad hurts Campas and goes around the ring blasting him, end happens as Campas is out on the ropes and Richard Steele stops the fight at the exact right time!

    Trinidad KO4

    Fun and short fight, I recommend.

    Edited for grammar because my spellcheck doesn't like "Campas"
     
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