the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. PFPIsAMyth

    PFPIsAMyth New Member Full Member

    May 17, 2023
    Hagler vs Duran. 12-2-1 in favor of Hagler. 11th was a draw. Hagler clearly dominated Duran in rounds 6-12th and then 14th and 15th. Like most fights from the past that are deemed close, they usually aren't and this is one of those fights.
  2. PFPIsAMyth

    PFPIsAMyth New Member Full Member

    May 17, 2023
    Duran vs Barkley. 114-113 Duran. Duran won rounds 1, 4 and 9-12. Barkley won 2, 3, and 5-8.

    The knockdown in the 11th is what won Duran the fight. Even after all these years, I always have it as a draw if that knockdown didn't occur but it did, and it's a testament to Duran's brilliance that he was able to take over the second half of the fight the way he did. Might be the best fight of the 80's. Also, a great fight to show someone what a good chin looks like because both Duran and Barkley displayed that, especially the former.
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Sal, when I saw you watched this fight I thought I would check it out.

    Julio Cesar Chavez v Tony Martin

    Round 1: 10-9 Martin
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
    Round 4: 10-9 Chavez
    Round 5: 10-8 Chavez (Martin docked a point for a low blow)
    Round 6: 10-9 Martin
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Chavez
    Round 9: 10-9 Chavez
    Round 10: 10-9 Chavez

    Total: 98-93 Chavez (actual scores: 98-91, 97-92 and another 97-92 all for Chavez)

    Although both fighters were a bit long in the tooth, they still provided a fair amount of action. I had it a bit wider than you, Sal, but I can see your score too. A number of close ones here. The 10th round was about the best, as they threw every bit of ordnance that they had in the arsenal and they looked like it at the end. Enjoyable fight.
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  4. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
    I was rooting for Martin after seeing him as a staple on Tuesday night fights and was happy seeing him get a shot at Chavez. But Chavez even at this stage was better. I need to watch this one again (haven't seen it since I watched it live) and score it
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  5. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004

    Finally got to scoring this one. It's every bit as great a fight as I remember. It takes two to make a great fight, and despite his relative inexperience, Nelson fought bravely and well. Superlative effort on his part, and I always found it refreshing and strange that Sanchez wasn't openly derided for having that kind of difficulty with such an unknown at the time. On the contrary, his cool under fire, conditioning, and professionalism were lauded. It makes sense now of course, knowing what we know about Nelson in the rear view mirror. I think they knew at the time the effort was not that of a typical 13-fight newbie. I always looked at it that way too. This isn't a black mark on Sanchez in any way as far as I'm concerned. It's actually a nice scalp, even considering Nelson's career arc.

    Anyway, as to the actual fight........Nelson knows he has nothing to lose and simply walks straight at Sanchez behind a high guard. He wings everything hard and he intends to make a statement. Sanchez for his part is countering pretty nicely actually, particularly with the left hook, but Nelson is just so busy.

    In the third, Sanchez begins to find range with is jab, and it helps matters immensely. For at least brief stretches now he can keep his opponent at his preferred range and begin raking him to the head and body. Jab, right hand to the body, left hook. Over and over again. Sanchez realizes he's going to have to break this kid down, this is no whitewash thing. Reminds me a lot of Arguello-Mancini in this way.

    After six, I have it even, and in the seventh Sanchez again finds Nelson with a huge hook and Azumah staggers backward. A follow-up flurry deposits him on his seat but God bless the little rooster.......he's right back up and charges at Sanchez as if insulted by the slight.

    The eighth is also Sanchez's as he almost drops Nelson again and Azumah takes that stanza to right himself and clear his head. Sanchez seems in control now.

    But of course the hallmark of a great fight is momentum shifts. Nelson rallies impressively and takes the next three to put the issue very much in doubt. Sanchez never betrays any real worry, though I could have sworn he got buzzed by a left hook toward the end of the 11th round. He never stops incrementally taking down the threat in front of him, seemingly completely confident that things will work out. He never even breathes through his mouth the entire time, while Nelson is gasping for air like a Channel swimmer. Nelson was always a bull of a featherweight and junior-lightweight and typically walked through opponents, but I never got the impression he was stronger than Sanchez here. It's like the Ghanan was hitting at a brick wall and hoping the clock would run out before his legs did.

    Finally, the fifteenth round showed a nearly spent Nelson pinned against the ropes, and Sanchez's left hook flying. A two-fisted attack sends him stumbling backward and down in a corner. He rises bravely but he's cooked. A series of vicious hooks sends his legs wobbling in different directions and Tony Perez stops it at the right time.

    Beautiful fight.

    1. Nelson
    2. Nelson
    3. Sanchez
    4. Sanchez
    5. Nelson
    6. Sanchez
    7. Sanchez (10-8)
    8. Sanchez
    9. Nelson
    10. Nelson
    11. Nelson
    12. Sanchez
    13. Nelson
    14. Sanchez

    Fight is stopped in favor of Sanchez in the final round.

    133-132 Sanchez at the time of the stoppage.
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Sammy Serrano v Julio 'Diablito' Valdez (jr. lightweight title)

    Round 1: 10-8 Serrano (scores a 'knockdown')
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Valdez
    Round 4: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 5: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 6: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 7: 10-9 Valdez
    Round 8: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 9: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 10: 10-9 Serrano
    Round 11: 10-9 Valdez (film started almost 1/2 through the round)
    Round 12: 9-9 Even (scored for Valdez but he lost a point for what I will call rough-housing)
    Round 13: 10-9 Valdez
    Round 14: 10-8 Valdez (Serrano docked a point for hitting after the bell)
    Round 15: 10-9 Valdez

    Total: 142-141 Serrano (actual scores: 150-135, 146-138 and 147-143 all for Serrano)

    Man, what a weird fight to score. Nothing overly exciting here except for the fact that these two hated each other and their extra-curricular activities kept me interested. Where to begin? Let's start with the first round knockdown. It was a partial punch but about 80% push. Really evident in slo-mo. The 11th round was partial but I saw enough to render a score. From 11 to 15 Valdez turned to mugging Serrano and I felt he was taking those rounds because Serrano did little. Rozadilla took a point from Valdez but it wasn't anything Serrano wasn't doing either. One could see that in the 14th when Sammy nailed Valdez well after the bell. Don't turn off the vid when the final bell rings because these two went at it twice after the bell. I really have to take referee Larry Rozadilla to task. I've always felt California officials were among the fairest I've seen, but a quick look at Rozadilla's resume shows he really became a WBA house referee. He and Stanley Christodoulou became interchangeable in the fact that they were going to take care of the WBA champ. I think Rozadilla's score reflects this. It looks like he tallied it up before the fight even started. If he gave Serrano a 150 - a perfect score - then what happened to the point deduction in the 14th round? And one also has to notice that he was an official for 7 or 8 of Serrano's title defenses. Talk about blatant. Suffice to say, Valdez' style wasn't pretty, but he was doing the fighting. I had Serrano the winner, but just.

    Incidentally, two things i should mention about Cosell calling the fight. he stated that he heard Valdez was docked 2 points in the 12th, but researching this I only found 1 point deducted. Also, I sort of chuckled when Cosell stated in the 11th that Serrano was bruising up under his left eye. I thought to myself, 'No s**t! You didn't notice that he entered the ring with that bruise.'
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Good account. Thanks for the detailed exposition to go with the score. Interesting we both likened it to Arguello-Mancini in different veins.
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    While far from an ATG or a favorite of mine at the time, I’ve come to respect Serrano more over the years. Tough and crafty.
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Pat, I would agree with you on certain things. He was a very good pure boxer and very fast. His drawbacks to his legacy would be a poor chin, not much of a punch and one of the most inauspicious title reigns I've seen. 15 title defenses over two reigns and the WBA clearly loved him by taking on all of those "No. 1 contenders" of theirs. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Just a bunch of no-hopers who were from WBA friendly countries (South Korea, South Africa, Venezuela, South America, etc.). Man, I remember at the time I had never even heard of some of the fighters he was defending against. And back then I really held my ear to the ground on any hotshot or prospect coming up. He had a handful of decent challengers like Valdez - who had recently beaten Alfredo Escalera, which was a huge upset at the time - and Lionel Hernandez (twice), but how many more title shots was the WBA going to give Hernandez? I think this was his 4th. Compare Serrano's opponents with Arguello's opponents at the same time with the WBC title. he was putting it on the line against Bobby Chacon, Bazooka Limon, Alfredo Escalera, Rolando Navarette and Ruben Castillo. Quite the difference. But again, I'll give Serrano his props with his boxing ability. I just expected more from him after the way he manhandled Villaflor to win the title.
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Oh Arguello has a much better resume. Such was the state of the WBA at the time, and I can’t fault a guy for fighting the organization whose title he held ranked (and mandated).

    Losing to Marcel by split in Panama is a nice loss, beating Villaflor as you noted was a good win and Hernandez was quality.

    The upset loss to Uehara (avenged) hurt his standing/perception at the time but he won it right back and kept defending.

    Sammy was a quality guy. Probably not ever the best guy in the division but one of them for a long time. That’s a decent legacy.
  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Devin Haney

    1 Loma
    2 Haney
    3 Loma
    4 Haney
    5 Loma
    6 Haney
    7 Loma
    8 Loma
    9 Haney
    10 Loma
    11 Loma
    12 Haney

    115-113 Lomachenko
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Devin Haney v Vasily Lomachenko (lightweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Haney
    Round 3: 10-9 Loma
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Loma
    Round 6: 10-9 Haney
    Round 7: 10-9 Haney
    Round 8: 10-9 Loma
    Round 9: 10-9 Loma
    Round 10: 10-9 Loma
    Round 11: 10-9 Loma
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 117-114 Loma (actual scores: 115-113, 115-113 and 116-112 all for Haney)

    Despite my score, this fight still had a feel of a very even fight at the end. I would have been good with a draw. There were sooooo many close rounds.
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 14, 2022
    It was a close fight but i still think Lomachenko clearly won in a close fight, i could possibly see a draw. But i can't really see how you can give Haney 7 rounds or 8 rounds like one judge had it.
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  14. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Watching live but somewhat distracted I thought Haney nipped it. I thought his bodywork was excellent and I'm not sure Loma landed any bodyshots the entire fight. I do understand that one can focus on one thing too much and score based on that, however.

    I might score it again, but also don't mind being on the minority end of a scorecard here and then, though this seems like the first in a while where a lot are calling a robbery and I think that guy won legit.
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  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Loma is a 17-3 guy who apparently has never lost a fight in his life, lol.
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