the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Julio Cesar Vasquez v Akhmet Dottuev (jr. middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-8 Dottuev (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 5: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 6: 10-9 Vasquez (both fighters score a knockdown but Vasquez carried the freight this round)
Round 7: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 8: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 9: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 10: Vasquez drops Dottuev 3 times before the bout is stopped.

Total through 9 completed rounds: 88-83 Vasquez (actual scores: 88-82, 86-85 and another 86-85 all for Vasquez)

I'm in disagreement here with 2 judges and Showtime's Ferdie Pacheco. I just didn't think it was that close. At least one judge was watching the same fight as me. I just didn't think Dottuev was busy enough to be taking some of these rounds. Vasquez may not have been setting the world afire, but he was the busier of the two. I also disagreed with Pacheco on his scoring of the 6th round knockdowns. It wasn't even. The knockdowns cancel each other out and Vasquez outhustled Dottuev the remainder of the round. It was Vasquez' round. And all 3 judges scored it that way also. The fight at least had its share of drama.

 

This reminded me of another stunning performance: a few weeks ago (maybe a couple months, not sure) I watched Roy Jr vs Thomas Tate.

Thomas really didn’t know how to let sleeping dogs lie. He was screaming and/or barking at Roy all through the prefight intros and went at Jones hard to try to make a war of it.

Roy Jr said, ‘well, we’ll just see about that’ and hell came to breakfast. The KO is breathtaking.

Never seen anything like Roy before or since.

 

Yea just two years prior Tate went the distance with Julian Jackson and gave him a decent fight. I'm sure he felt bullet proof

He wasnt and this is his only stoppage loss

 

Just watched, yes that was pretty incredible!

 

I watched Jackson vs Tate followed directly by Tate vs Jones. It was crazy seeing Jones dispose of Tate like he was some sort of club fighter after the effort he put in against Jackson.

 

Joseph Parker vs Andy Ruiz
1)9 10
2)10 9
3)9 10
4)10 9
5)10 9
6)10 9
7)10 9
8)9 10
9)10 9
10)9 10
11)10 9
12)10 9
116 112

 

Alexis Arguello vs Jose Luis Ramirez

1 Even
2 Arguello
3 Ramirez
4 Arguello
5 Ramirez
6 Ramirez 10-8 knockdown
7 Arguello
8 Arguello
9 Arguello
10 Ramirez

95-95 Draw

So i said i'd watch this one again after all the discussion in this thread about this fight, when i watched this as a kid maybe about 10 years ago ? my impression was that Ramirez had done enough. Watching it again i thought it was closer than i originally thought.

The first 5 rounds or so Arguello had a hard time pinning down Ramirez, as Ramirez constantly circled the ring and counter punched Arguello. The 6th round the tide started to turn as Arguello started finding the range with his punches. Unfortunately for Arguello he walked into a counter straight left hand and was dropped in a round he was winning, which was a set back for him after the slow start especially in a 10 rounder.

But credit to Arguello he didn't let that faze him and i thought he had a very good spell between 7-9. As he started to land his famous right hand, and i felt overall Arguello landed the harder more effective punches in these rounds as he finally started to find his range.

I just gave credit to Arguello but now i'm gonna give credit to Ramirez, maybe sensing that a few of the previous rounds hadn't gone his way. Ramirez came out for the 10th round as the aggressor which must of surprised Arguello who was the constant aggressor throughout the fight, and Ramirez to his credit won the 10th round big as he clearly out punched and out fought Arguello.

All in all i think it was a very close fight, Ramirez had the edge early on with his boxing and counter punching. But Arguello cameback in the later rounds to close the gap. I think this is a fight that needed to be 12 or 15 rounds to really settle the matter a pity there wasn't a rematch.

 

Mavrovic had to retire because he had muscle-wasting disease that caused him to lose alot of weight.

 

Here’s how I scored it from last year (I’m responding to @Jel who saw it similarly):

Alexis Arguello vs. Jose Luis Ramirez, scheduled for 10 rounds at Jai Alai Fronton in Miami on the undercard of the Jeff Chandler vs. Julian Solis bantamweight championship bout. The card is promoted by MAPS (Muhammad Ali Professional Sports) aka Harold Smith, who embezzled some $21M from Wells Fargo to fund his boxing promotions.

Arguello, 135 1/4 (Boxrec says 135 1/2, I’m going with what Jimmy Lennon said during introductions and Don Dunphy repeated on commentary), is 64-5 (54) and the reigning WBC super featherweight champion. He has made seven defenses of that title and is testing the waters at lightweight for the second time in a row, aiming at age 28 to add a championship in a third weight class (he beat Cornelius Boza Edwards in his previous fight).

Ramirez, 135, is Mexican lightweight champ. The 21-year-old is 67-2 (57) — the broadcast has him about 20 wins short of his actual record.

1: Even 10-10

2: Ramirez 10-9

3: Ramirez 10-9

4. Arguello 10-9

5. Ramirez 10-9

6. Ramirez 10-9 (knockdown)

7. Arguello 10-9

8. Arguello 10-9 (close)

9. Ramirez 10-9

10. Ramirez 10-9

Total: Ramirez 97-93

Official cards: 95-94 Arguello, 97-94 Arguello, 98-95 Ramirez

Agree with your assessment. IMO you have to stretch pretty hard to give this to Arguello. Even the first, which I called even, if I had to award it to either I’d have gone with JLR.

 

I think it would be pretty hard to see Arguello winning the fight, with a knockdown scored against him and the slow start in 10 rounder.

But I do feel like Arguello did enough in the 2nd half to salvage a draw, but I can't see an Arguello victory in all honesty.

This fight needed to be 12 or 15 rounds as Arguello was pretty good in championship rounds.

 

Mike McCallum vs James Toney 2

1 Toney
2 McCallum
3 McCallum
4 Toney
5 McCallum
6 McCallum
7 Toney
8 Toney 10-8 point deduction
9 McCallum
10 McCallum
11 Toney
12 McCallum

114-113 McCallum

So i decided to watch their 2nd fight after watching the 1st fight last month, i thought this time around McCallum was unlucky not to get the decision. He went to the body more in this fight and out punched Toney to win a close decision IMO.

In the 1st fight Toney's power punches especially the right hand were alot more apparent, in the 2nd fight not so much and Toney didn't look as good in this fight and wasn't active enough for me overall.

The point deduction was total BS aswell and not needed, and the judges scorecards were horrendous aswell. McCallum outlanded Toney by 100 punches and lost by 117-110 on two scorecards ?

Overall not as good as their first fight, but McCallum made a few adjustments and was slightly better with the jab in this fight and went to the body more. Toney i think overall looked slightly worse in the rematch, and was not as active and his power punches were not as apparent or effective compared to their 1st meeting.

 

Razor Ruddock v Mike Weaver

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Razor
Round 3: 10-9 Razor
Round 4: 10-9 Weaver
Round 5: 10-9 Razor
Round 6: 10-9 Razor
Round 7: 10-9 Razor
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Razor
Round 10: 10-9 Razor

Total: 99-93 Razor (actual scores: 98-92 and 97-93 both for Razor and an unusual 96-94 for Weaver with Razor the winner via split decision)

It's hard to believe that this is the same Razor Ruddock who would go on to appear in Ring Magazine's '100 greatest punchers of all time'. At this stage of the game he was strictly a speedy jab artist who would occasionally zero in with some sharp combos. With George Chuvalo in his corner he was a sharp boxer. I don't know when he discovered his left uppercut but it was a shame to see the fundamentals go out the window. I am still amazed at the judge who scored for Weaver. I've always liked Mike, but at this stage of the game he looked like he was punching under water. Still, he did catch Ruddock with a left hook in the 4th that stunned him, but he had the wherewithal to grab and get on his bike til the cobwebs cleared, for the only real drama of the fight.

 

This fight was a real stinker, not anything to write home about. If it had been a few years later, Ruddock probably would have made a fight out of it, but I guess Mike was still too dangerous for Ruddock at this point. Round 4 is as you said, the only captivating part of the fight. Weaver nailed Ruddock and he lost nearly all composure and control, hold on all night was all he could do after that.

Weaver just never failed to amaze me, imagine if he had been as aggressive of a fighter as George Foreman, Mike Tyson, or Sonny Liston. He would probably be named alongside guys like that as one of the most ferocious knockout artists in the business. And he had more tools in his toolbox than those guys, really.

 

To begin, after watching this fight I clicked the search button on this fight to see what others thought of this fight and found that no one has checked it out. I feel everyone should see this for the fact that it was a damn good fight, to test your judging skills and to discuss a controversial decision. Here we go..........

Angel Manfredy v Julio Diaz (IBF lightweight eliminator)

Round 1: 10-9 Diaz
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Diaz
Round 4: 9-9 Even (Diaz' round but docked a point for a low blow)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Diaz
Round 7: 10-9 Diaz
Round 8: 10-9 Diaz
Round 9: 10-9 Manfredy (I scored the round Even, but Diaz was docked another point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 Manfredy
Round 11: 10-9 Diaz
Round 12: 10-9 Diaz

Total: 117-112 Diaz (actual scores: 114-112 Diaz and scores of 115-112 and 114-112 both for Manfredy for a split win - Harold Lederman had it 115-111 for Diaz)

Man, I don't know where to begin other than to say, 'Robbery!' But having that off my chest let's look at a very good fight. I really like Manfredy, but it was obvious in the first round he was outgunned on the outside. Diaz was taller, had reach and had the heavier hands, so after that Manfredy fought the rest of the fight in the pocket. Now, I've seen fighters who were outgunned fighting very successfully in the pocket like Ralph Dupas and Albert Davila but they had brilliant defenses to go along with it. Manfredy threw some beautiful combos throughout and kept a high guard but was seriously outgunned by Diaz' scything left and right hooks to the body, one which hurt Manfredy badly in the 3rd. I watched a telecast that was an HBO production but it appears that some company I believe from Quebec latched onto it as the announcers spoke in French. which was fine for me as I like to also enjoy a fight making my own way along. But Harold Lederman's score was being flashed and although we disagreed slightly on a couple of rounds, the only real disagreement I had with him was the 12th, which he gave to Manfredy and I thought was an obvious Diaz round. But regardless, I'm not saying this was a blockbuster but a good fight and a decision I hated. I would love for you guys to take the time to check this out and give me your views.

 

Not seen this one I might check it out in the future since I enjoy Manfredy's fights.