the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Whitaker vs Chavez
Whitaker 119
Chavez 109

Chavez had nothing for Whitaker after the second round other than round 6 which was still a Whitaker round. He had no power on the few shots he landed, was getting manhandled on the inside, was unable to cut off the ring, his jab was nowhere to be found, he was beat to the punch consistently, etc. Absolute domination by Whitaker and if he had power I think he would have dropped Chavez multiple times because he was consistently landing clean, precise punches.

Confused by some of the scorecards I've seen online. Don't think you can give Chavez more than 1 round.

 

Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Márquez IV

Rewatched this as I had a spare half hour. Sadly I never watched it live as it happened. I feel this is one of those fights that on the night was thrilling but to rewatch is maybe a bit overrated once you know the outcome. What is crazy to me is that IMO Pacquiao looked so much better and quicker than Márquez, apart from when Márquez threw his bombs, which were picture perfect. Never been a massive fan of Juan Manuel's style but for some reason he meshed perfectly with Manny.

1. Pacquiao 10 Márquez 9

2. Pacquiao 10 Márquez 9

3. Pacquiao 8 Márquez 10

4. Pacquiao 9 Márquez 10

5. Pacquiao 10 Márquez 8

6. Márquez wins KO 6

Márquez 46 Pacquiao 47

 

Tim Bradley vs Ruslan Provodnikov

Very underrated battle, must have been thrilling on the night! Bradley clearly fought with the shadow of his controversial win over Manny on his mind, obviously he wanted to prove something. However after starting brilliantly he abandoned his boxing and pursued a suicidal plan of slugging with the tank like Provodnikov and from the end of round 1 through round 2 he was battered from pillar to post. Even when he went back to boxing Ruslan seemed to be able to shake Tim to his boots every so often, but was simply not landing enough punches. Possible questions about Ruslan's conditioning as his assault in round 1 seemed to take him 2 rounds to recover from and he lost that momentum. I gave Provodnikov a 10-8 in round two as he was so dominant despite no knock down. I could imagine round 1 could be scored 10-8 as well, Tim slipped but was clearly shaken to his boots, however he clearly won the first half of the round.

We almost had a replay of Chavez vs Taylor 1 as Provodnikov staged a massive charge through the last two rounds and was within an ace of a famous victory. In fact Tim reminded a bit of Meldrick Taylor, both with his hand speed and his willingness to slug it out, even when it was not the best game plan. A bit of an echo of Pacquiao vs Marquez 1 as we see a fighter recovering from a disastrous start to fight his way back in through pure boxing.

A fight where even when there was a lull in the action you could just enjoy Bradley's excellent boxing, he was clearly an elite fighter. However I feel we saw the gap between an ATG and a very very good fighter in this match as I could not help thinking about how Pernell Whitaker would have dealt with Provodnikov. Many times Bradley's punches were sloppy and his defence lacking. I doubt Provodnikov would have landed a glove on Pernell for 12 rounds. I also have to ask if you swapped out Ruslan's bombs for Hearns or Leonard's whether we would have had a KO2 result next to his name. Either way both fighters showed tremendous guts and championship heart so it feels a bit churlish to nitpick!

Ps the commentators mentioned that Bradley went up to 185 between the Manny fight and this one, not sure if this is normal but may have taken something out of him to lose before this fight!

1. Bradley 9 Provodnikov 10

2. Bradley 8 Provodnikov 10

3. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

4. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

5. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

6. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 10

7. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

8. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

9. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

10. Bradley 10 Provodnikov 9

11. Bradley 9 Provodnikov 10

12. Bradley 8 Provodnikov 10

FINAL: Bradley 114 Provodnikov 113

 

I really struggled to give Chavez more than 1 round, I think I gave him a couple of rounds out of embarrassment when I scored it but still a landslide Pernell victory, effectively a shutout, and everyone not named Don King, Mickey Vann or Franz Marti knows it.

 

Yeah it really was a landslide. If I didn't know anything about Chavez, I would have thought he was just an average fighter, that's how bad Whitaker was making him look

Pacquiao's movement was winning him the fight. It was clear Marquez was completely puzzled on how to time him. I wonder if Pacquiao fought like that in their previous fights if there would have ever even been a trilogy let alone quadruple. Marquez just looked lost out there besides the knockdown and then ofc the KO which was mainly just a brain fart on Pacquiao. Don't know why he lunged like that with 2 seconds left and there's no way he didn't see that Marquez had that right hand LOADED

 

I had it 8-4 in rounds for Whitaker. Still conclusive enough to make me firmly believe there was no way Chavez was going to leave the ring a loser that night. That wasn't going to be allowed. Don King and Papa Sulaiman were making sure of that.

 

Fogger, I checked this fight out today and then checked in here to see if anyone else scored it and found your writeup. Our cards are uncannily close. We were definitely watching the same fight.

Daniel Zaragoza v Paul Banke III (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 DZ
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 DZ
Round 4: 10-9 DZ
Round 5: 10-9 DZ
Round 6: 10-9 DZ
Round 7: 10-9 DZ
Round 8: 10-9 DZ
Round 9: 10-9 Banke
Round 10: 10-9 DZ
Round 11: 10-9 DZ
Round 12: 10-9 Banke

Total: 118-111 Zaragoza (actual scores: 117-113, 116-112 and another 116-112 all for Zaragoza)

I just felt Zaragoza out-worked Banke on almost every occasion. Not as good as their second fight but a good contest anyway. I did feel those official cards were a bit flattering to Banke.

 

Wow, we really were seeing the same fight. Every time I watch Zaragoza I come away impressed with his grit and intelligence.

 

Ali vs Frazier 1
R1: Ali 10-9
R2: Ali 10-9
R3: Ali 10-9 (close)
R4: Frazier 10-9
R5: Frazier 10-9 (close)
R6: Frazier 10-9
R7: Frazier 10-9
R8: Frazier 10-9
R9: Ali 10-9
R10: Frazier 10-9
R11: Frazier 10-9
R12: Ali 10-9
R13: Frazier 10-9
R14: Ali 10-9
R15: Frazier 10-8

Frazier 144
Ali 140

Hadn't watched this fight in some years but I remember my last score being 9-6 for Frazier and I got that score again, so yay.

Iconic fight. Was able to somehow live up to the hype. But one critique I have is Ali made 2 of the rounds dull by taking them off by having some of his lowest activity ever and crowd rightfully crowd got on his ass for it

 

Ike vs Tua

R1: Ike 10-9
R2: Ike 10-9
R3: Ike 10-9
R4: Ike 10-9
R5: Ike 10-9 (close)
R6: Tua 10-9
R7: Ike 10-9
R8: Ike 10-9
R9: Ike 10-9
R10: Ike 10-9
R11: Ike 10-9
R12: Draw
Ike 119
Tua 110

Wasn't really that much of a close fight to me. Ike's activity just massively trumphed Tua's, when at range destroyed him with his jab, and on the inside dominated him there too. Tua had no answer to anything Ike was doing.

 

Takeover, I had it quite a bit closer than you, but then, this is what this thread is all about. This is what I wrote when I watched it.

David Tua v Ike Ibeabuchi

Round 1: 10-9 Ike
Round 2: 10-9 Ike
Round 3: 10-9 Ike
Round 4: 10-9 Ike
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Tua
Round 7: 10-9 Tua
Round 8: 10-9 Tua
Round 9: 10-9 Ike
Round 10: 10-9 Tua
Round 11: 10-9 Tua
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 115-114, 116-113 and 117-111 all for Ike)

I think I agreed on only about half of Harold Lederman's card, but one thing we did agree on was that this is a very difficult fight to score. Not so much for the reasons he stated (that with heavy's it is hard to see inside work) but, my reasoning that, do you score for the heavier, eye-catching blows or the consistent ones. You have to find a happy medium for yourself - something no one else can show you. For instance the 9th round that Harold scored for Tua and I gave Ike. I thought Tua did very little that round but threw and landed a couple of haymakers. I was more impressed with the busier Ike and that jab of his, which I feel is one of the best jabs I've seen a heavyweight throw. Hard and pin-point. Anyways, I'm on my soapbox, suffice to say a great fight and I'll bet everyone has a different score on this one. Just a tough fight on the judge, let alone the combatants.

 

Masao Oba vs Chartchai Chionoi 2nd of January 1973

Oba's final fight before his death.

Round 1: Chionoi 10 - 8
Round 2: Oba 10 - 9
Round 3: Oba 10 - 9
Round 4: Oba 10 - 9
Round 5: Oba 10 - 9
Round 6: Oba 10 - 9
Round 7: Chionoi 10 - 9 (close)
Round 8: Oba 10 - 9
Round 9: Oba 10 - 9
Round 10: Oba 10 - 9
Round 11: Oba 10 - 9
Round 12: Oba wins by TKO

Oba recovers from a knockdown and seemingly being rocked and eating shots against the ropes in round 1 to dominate the fight with his jab and straight right. RIP champ.

 

Marvin Hagler vs John Mugabi

Inspired by @Storm-Chaser thread about this fight I decided to rewatch it. It is a solid match but at no point does Mugabi look like he could win it. I think at the time due to John's reputation as a puncher there would have been an edge of the seat quality as John was always swinging till the end. But now knowing the result it is more of a war of attrition, with Marvin slowly grinding Mugabi down.

John was clearly landing some huge shots as Marv's face showed at the end but I feel he only rocked Hagler a couple of times and Marvin absorbed the shots well. This must be one of the best examples of jabbing and using the jab to get inside I think I have seen. For me the only area where Hagler showed he was slowing down was his occasional wild swinging, otherwise he was very quick and precise while remaining cool under pressure. The Hagler of a few years ago probably would have got John out of there in round 6, in fact he may well have done if Mills Lane hadn't inexplicably stopped the action. He then took a point from Marvin in round 7 but as he was winning the round I scored it even.

I think round 6 and 10 make some remember the fight as better than it was. As it is now I see a really tough champ masterfully take apart a slightly overrated but amazingly hard punching and courageous fighter. I will also add that had Hagler chosen a different more cautious approach and simply boxed he could have probably won a shutout, but he clearly wanted to make a statement.

It is a pity John never seemed to recover his confidence after this fight, although I have always felt it was the Duane Thomas fight that really took the wind out of his sails and tuned him from a hot property to a has been.

1. Hagler 10 Mugabi 10

2. Hagler 9 Mugabi 10

3. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

4. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

5. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

6. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

7. Hagler 10 Mugabi 10

8. Hagler 9 Mugabi 10

9. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

10. Hagler 10 Mugabi 9

11. Hagler wins KO

Hagler 98 Mugabi 94

 

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler

1 Leonard
2 Leonard
3 Leonard
4 Leonard
5 Hagler
6 Leonard
7 Hagler
8 Hagler
9 Hagler
10 Hagler
11 Leonard
12 Hagler

114-114 Draw

I thought it was a pretty easy fight to score except rounds 10 and 11 which could determine who wins this fight depending on how you score them rounds.

But i thought rounds 1-4 and round 6 were clear Leonard rounds.

Rounds 5 7-9 and round 12 clear Hagler rounds.

With 10-11 being the most debatable rounds in the fight.

Overall for me Leonard won too many of the early rounds for Hagler to win a decision, but i think this is one of the most legit draws i've seen personally.

 

We disagreed on 2 rounds the 1st which you scored even and i scored for Mugabi, and round 8 which you scored for Mugabi and i gave it to Hagler. But overall we pretty much see the same fight.


Marvin Hagler vs John Mugabi

1 Mugabi
2 Mugabi
3 Hagler
4 Hagler
5 Hagler
6 Hagler
7 9-9 Hagler point deduction
8 Hagler
9 Mugabi
10 Hagler
11 Hagler wins by KO

96-93 Hagler

Mugabi started off well landing the harder punches, and was able to back up Hagler. Mugabi was also able to make Hagler lead at times, and counter with some great right hands and uppercuts.

I felt like the fight turned around when Hagler started to establish his right jab, which made Mugabi a bit hesitant to rush in. As Hagler was mostly able to control Mugabi in middle of the ring with the jab, and able to at times take advantage of Mugabi's wild swings. But despite Hagler controlling Mugabi with the jab, Mugabi still looked dangerous with his one punch power. Especially the 4th round where Mugabi landed a peach of an uppercut.

The 6th was a grueling round and i feel like that round took alot of Mugabi, and from then on Mugabi looked to be getting weaker and weaker. As he was able to only throw one punch at a time and stood off too much, as Hagler controlled him with the jab and occasional hard straight left hands.

To Mugabi's credit i felt like he got a bit of 2nd wind in the 9th round, and he was able to once again put together some hard punches, and have his best round since the 4th round.

Going into the 10th round Mugabi once again started the round well landing hard punches, but i feel like this round was a very pivotal round. Despite Mugabi starting the 10th well Hagler took the play away from him instantly, And Hagler decided to abandon the jab completely and just come forward aggressively punishing Mugabi to the body. I feel like the body shots and the fact Hagler took the play away from Mugabi in this round, after it looked like Mugabi might be coming on a bit. Just took everything out of Mugabi physically and mentally.

After a very punishing 10th round, Mugabi looked to be running on empty in 11th round. And Mugabi went down from a barrage of punches and probably could of got up. But realizing he just couldn't beat Hagler despite how hard he tried, combined with the fact how exhausted Mugabi was. Mugabi decided to take the full 10 count and Hagler wins by KO.

Overall a great fight Hagler mostly had the better of it, but Mugabi looked very dangerous early on. And even if Mugabi looked to be getting weaker in the 2nd half of the fight, he still looked dangerous with his one punch power, but the difference in this fight was Mugabi had no jab, and Hagler was just too tough and wore down the very hard hitting brave Mugabi.