the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Had it 116-112 Navarette. Could honestly go a round wider just as easily as a round closer. It was a lot of fun, but kinda lacked the drama and shifts of momentum contained within Munguia-Derevyenchenko. So, the latter is still FOTY, as far as I'm concerned.

 

I acutally enjoyed this fight a lot. Floyd was definitely in control, but was looking to do damage to Ortiz, especially toward the end of the third and first part of the fourth. Ortiz tried to respond and was fighting dirty, which led to the controversial but not unjustified ending. Too bad, 'cause I tink we would have seen a legit ending that was very similar a few rounds later.

 

Razor Ruddock vs Greg Page

Enjoyable heavyweight battle matching brains against brawn. I may have been a bit generous to Page in the scoring but it was a joy watching him befuddle Ruddock with his cute moves. I feel if Page had not tried to tough it out in the first two rounds but boxed as he did from round 3 he could have sneaked a decision. He certainly looked in the best shape I have ever seen him, including his title bouts. But I think Greg wanted to win and win big so foolishly shipped more punishment than he needed trying to out slug Razor which compromised him when Ruddock piled on the pressure. However for a stretch in the middle of the fight Razor looked totally gassed and out of ideas. Completely ignoring Floyd Patterson's in corner advice Ruddock seemed to think he could simply blow Greg away, and when he didn't really struggled with the slippery veteran. The clear difference was Razor admittedly huge power and every time he landed clean Page froze as if struck by lightning.

The fight is certainly up there along with Tubbs vs Bowe or Dokes vs Holyfield as a last example of the talent of the 80s "lost generation".

1. Ruddock 10 Page 9

2. Ruddock 9 Page 10

3. Ruddock 9 Page 10

4. Ruddock 9 Page 10

5. Ruddock 10 Page 9

6. Ruddock 9 Page 10

7. Ruddock 10 Page 9

8. Ruddock wins KO

Ruddock 66 Page 67

 

Blofeld, I had it more towards Ruddock, but your score would have matched one of the judges had you scored that 8th round (the round had ended so you can score it). For what it's worth, here is what I wrote when i watched it.

Razor Ruddock v Greg Page

Round 1: 10-9 Razor
Round 2: 10-9 Razor
Round 3: 10-9 Razor
Round 4: 10-9 Page
Round 5: 10-9 Razor
Round 6: 10-9 Page
Round 7: 10-9 Razor
Round 8: 10-8 Razor (battered Page the last 30 seconds of the round)
Referee Joe Cortez stops the fight between rounds

Total: 78-73 through 8 completed rounds (actual scores: 76-75, 79-72 and 79-72 all for Ruddock)

I remember when I first saw Razor and I was impressed. I felt he was a nice boxer and his trainer George Chuvalo was doing a good job with him as he outpointed Mike Weaver. Whatever happened to the union of Razor/Chuvalo I don't know, but once Razor found out he had an outstanding left uppercut, that was it for boxing and he became a one-trick pony. It was pitiful to watch new trainer Floyd Patterson pleading with him round after round to jab and use the right. He just went in and went left uppercut-crazy and was gassed after 3 rounds. Unfortunately this wasn't the Page of old who might have capitalized on this. Page tried and kept himself in the fight and IMO, was winning the 8th until Razor caught him with 30 seconds to go in the round. I've never been a big Joe Cortez fan, but at least he showed the good sense to stop the fight when Page could barely stand - incredibly - against the protests of Page's corner who were clearly going to try and push him out there for another round. But back to Razor, again, he really was a one-trick pony.

 

Tommy Morrison vs Razor Ruddock

A very good battle that promises but doesn't quite ignite like Moorer vs Cooper or Foreman vs Lyle. After a dramatic first two rounds Ruddock shows off a surprisingly excellent jab as Morrison seems to gas horribly and both sluggers show off their often hidden but very good boxing skills. Tommy stayed in the fight due to his superior speed and combinations but looked increasingly like he was on the way out before nailing Razor with a perfect left hook. Amazingly Ruddock got up and looked like he would get through the round before a premature stoppage. Having said that it seemed likely Morrison could have KO'd Ruddock in round 2 but for his attack being bizarrely stopped for a standing count. It seems inexplicable to me that Razor didn't jump on Tommy after the first round KO and his hesitancy possibly cost him the fight.

1. Morrison 8 Ruddock 10

2. Morrison 10 Ruddock 8

3. Morrison 9 Ruddock 10

4. Morrison 10 Ruddock 9

5. Morrison 9 Ruddock 10

6. Morrison wins KO

Morrison 46 Ruddock 47

 

Excellent summary as always! I just watched Ruddock vs Morrison and it looked like someone had finally got him back to using the jab but too little too late for his career.

 

Page showed his underrated chin in this one whilst being way past his best he took some hellacious shots.

 

I always though Guzman at his best could've been a real threat to Pacquiao. But he stupidly threw his career away by not making weight and throwing away some big opportunities.

 

Wow! Haven't seen this since seeing it live.

Ernesto Espana v Johnny Lira (lightweight title - Illinois 5-point scoring system)

Round 1: 5-4 Espana
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Lira
Round 4: 5-4 Espana
Round 5: 5-4 Lira
Round 6: 5-5 Even
Round 7: 5-3 Lira (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: 5-3 Espana (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 5-4 Espana
Lira is retired by his corner with a severe cut and broken jaw

Total through 9 completed rounds: 41-40 Espana (actual scores: 42-36, 42-38 and another 42-38 all for Espana)

Although the 3 Latin officials from our friends at the WBA had it a bit wider than I, believe me, it was a good, competitive fight and closely contested. It was a treat seeing this one again after so many years.

 

2000-03-04 Clarenca Adams vs Nestor Garza (WBA Super Bantamweight)
Round 1: 10:8 (Garza down)
Round 2: 10:9
Round 3: 10:9
Round 4: 10:9
Round 5: 10:8 (Garza down)
Round 6: 9:10*
Round 7: 10:9
Round 8: 10:9
Round 9: 10:9
Round 10: 10:9
Round 11: 9:10*
Round 12: 9:10
Final Score: 117:109 Adams

My first look at prime Adams at Super Bantamweight. He reminded me of Caleb Plant with his style and qualities. Fighting with his hands low a lot, relying on feet and head-movement for defence, very fast hands - good jab and dynamic with power punches in spots.
Garza was favorite coming in as reigning champion, but Adams made him look very basic. Early knock-down and then cut He suffered in third round might've set the tone for a fight though. He had a decent run with 3 title wins coming into that fight so must've been at least somewhat capable.

 

Dude, I had it a bit closer, but not by much. If you want to see a really good fight, check out Garza's fight with Kozo Ishii. Anyways, this is what I wrote on Garza-Adams:

Nestor Garza v Clarence 'Bones' Adams (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Adams (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Adams
Round 3: 10-9 Garza
Round 4: 10-9 Adams
Round 5: 10-8 Adams (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Adams
Round 7: 10-9 Adams
Round 8: 10-9 Adams
Round 9: 10-9 Garza
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Garza
Round 12: 10-9 Garza

Total: 116-111 Adams (actual scores: 116-110, 116-110 and 118-108 all for Adams)

Man, I gotta tell ya, the first 3/4 of this fight really was a master-class performance by Bones Adams. Strong as an ox, an outstanding ring general and his counter-punching wasn't thrown singular, but in combos. I only think Garza came into the fight late because Adams took his foot off the gas the last 4 rounds. If Garza could have learned to jab his way in rather than charge in, he may have had a better chance here. But as it was, he was just an open target to Adams' counters when charging in with reckless abandon. Not the scorcher that Garza v Ishii was, but a decent fight and an outstanding performance by Adams.

 

Hey @scartissue !
I agree with your analysis. Bones was in total control - and only let his opponent into the fight late when He got on his bike and began to "kill the clock" basically. Adams did look excellent indeed - I'm now curious about his next fights in his title reign.

Thanks for recommendaiton on Garza vs Ishii - it's tempting, but I'm very (maybe too) methodical about the way I go through boxing's history. I do it one weight-class and one decade at a time. Right now - I'm going through Super Bantamweights of 2000s, starting from January 2000 and going forward from there through all the relevent fights. Will keep me busy at least until end of the year. The 90s will have to wait!

 

Lira’s a perfect example of the type I call ‘world-class club fighters’ — nothing special about them really but could hang with top guys (not ATGs necessarily but some of the top guys in their weight class of their day) and at least get within shouting distance of winning or contending for a world title.

He was a blue-collar guy who brought his hard hat and lunch pail to work every time.

 

Well, it was only 4 months earlier, so you really are methodical. LOL!

 

I saw Tyson get Gross in the first.