the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Vince Shomo

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Definitely not a good last name to have these days. I'd changed to something else, these days.

 

Wilfred Benitez v Johnny Turner

Wilfred Benitez, recently shorn of his title, showed what a force he was at welterweight. Johnny Turner, a good, sharp-banging clubfighter was in over his head but that didn't stop him from giving a good account of himself. He was in every round but kept coming up short against Benitez. That is until Benitez dialed it up from the 6th round on and that next gear separated the men from the boys. No sense running a card here. Benitez decked Johnny in the 1st, while I gave Johnny a share of the 4th. Turner finally succumbed in the 9th with his face looking like it was run through a shredder. Decent fight, but the ending was inevitable. I had Benitez leading 80-72 (scores not known)

 

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Khaosai Galazy vs, Eusebio Espinal

Great fight but the video is somewhat grainy.

Also I noticed I think Galaxy got dropped by a punch!
Apart from that moment, Galaxy dominated ala Lightweight Roberto Duran.

 

Charlie 'White Lightning' Brown v Louie Burke

Round 1: 10-9 Brown
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Brown
Round 4: 10-9 Burke
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Burke
Round 7: 10-9 Burke
Round 8: 10-9 Burke
Round 9: 10-9 Brown
Round 10: 10-9 Burke

Total: 97-95 Burke (actual scores: 95-95, and a 96-95, 97-93 both for Brown for a majority decision)

Guys, you're going to love this fight. It's not Leonard-Hearns but it is one entertaining good old fashioned clubfight that would not be out of place if it was fought at Sunnyside Gardens or the Blue Horizon or the Olympic Auditorium. I recall when I first watched it back in the day that it was a close fight and had a very controversial decision. I also remember being annoyed at what I felt was heavy preferential treatment to Brown because I had already seen him get a gift against Frank Newton. It felt to me at the time that he was going to be steered to a title fight no matter what. And indeed, the title fight had already been signed prior to this bout for Brown to meet Harry Arroyo for the title. I guess no one was figuring the stern resistance of Burke. I should also mention the involvement of Duane Ford and Chuck Minker as the 2 dissenting judges. Back then I wasn't really looking at them, but today, on a historical note, they do seem to be 2 Vegas judges that seem to be always at the epicenter of controversial decisions. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might call them a couple of aces up one's sleeve to make sure the title fight took place. But it is what it is.

Regarding the fight, it was close and a draw would be better served than the decision rendered, but I felt Burke roughed up Brown enough and deserved it by way of mugging.

One additional note: on the telecast I just witnessed, there appeared to be a problem with mics staying live during the interval of each round and the banter between Gil Clancy, Ray Leonard and Tim Ryan was audible. But the best sound bite was at the end of the fight (at 42:16 of the film). The bout was fought in Burke's hometown of Las Cruces and the audience was screaming at everything Burke landed. A really good crowd that got behind their man. Well, just before the decision was announced, Clancy - quite seriously as he didn't know the mic was on - says to Leonard, "Ray, if they don't give this to Burke, you go right under there!" Clearly meaning for Ray to hide under the ring. The crowd booed but took it in stride. But I laughed at the sound-bite.

 

Nice find, but to say that’s ‘somewhat grainy’ is like saying Roy Jones Jr was ‘somewhat fast,’ haha.

 

Lol yeah true!

Espinal was a fine boxer, I had heard of him since I was a little girl on magazines like Ring en Espanol and Guantes but not seen him fight, and this fight caused curiosity in me tbh. But Galaxy was, well......on another galaxy, as far as talent.

 

2000-06-24 Oscar Larios UD12 Cesar Soto (WBC Super Bantamweight Eliminator)
Round 1: 10:9
Round 2: 9:10
Round 3: 9:10
Round 4: 9:10*
Round 5: 10:9*
Round 6: 9:10*
Round 7: 10:9
Round 8: 8:9* (Each fighter lost a point)
Round 9: 9:10*
Round 10: 10:8 (Soto lost a point)
Round 11: 10:9
Round 12: 10:9
Final Score: 113:112 Larios

Soto dropped down in weight after coming up short against Naseem Hamed in unification - and looked strong as Super Bantamweight and still fought with a lot of ambition. Larios was less experienced and didn't have any notable wins at that stage.
Good, physical fight. What's interesting is Larios came out boxing - and wasn't effective with it, moving but not getting off and getting caught by heavier shots. He came on strong after He began to stand his ground more and fight back against clearly stronger opponent.
For me, the difference was one more point deduction for Soto. He lost two for low blows, with Larios losing one for holding.

That was the end for Soto on world level - He'd suffer his first stoppage loss two fights later against Johnny Tapia, when his iron chin finally cracked.
For Larios it was a start of very good run. He competed in and around world level for good decade after that.

 

Victor Galindez v Mike Rossman I (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Rossman
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Galindez
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Galindez
Round 6: 10-9 Galindez
Round 7: 10-9 Rossman
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Rossman
Round 10: 10-9 Rossman
Round 11: 10-9 Rossman
Round 12: 10-9 Rossman
Round 13: Rossman stops Galindez

Total through 12 completed rounds: 117-114 Rossman (actual scores: 118-113, 116-113 and 116-115 all for Rossman)

This is the first time I've watched this since '78. For me, seeing Galindez lose was akin to seeing Ali or Cervantes lose. All long-serving champs that finally had to bow to father-time, not to mention the fighter in front of them. Taking nothing from Rossman, he lacked the consistency of those aforementioned champs. I never saw him fight as good as this before or after this one fight. But in this one fight, he put it all together. He was phenomenal in this bout as well as following a well-thought out fight plan. His jab was perfect, he was able to handle those monster shots Galindez threw and his counters were picture-perfect. This was an absolute brutal fight and well worth watching again. I would also recommend the rematch when Galindez came back with something to prove himself.

 

Thought I would check out the 2 bouts between Marvin Hagler and Fully Obel today. You can never go wrong with a Marvin Hagler bout.

Marvin Hagler v Fully Obel I (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Hagler
Round 3: 10-9 Hagler
Round 4: 10-9 Hagler
Round 5: 10-9 Hagler
Round 6: 10-7 Hagler (scores a knockdown and administers a battering)
Round 7: 10-9 Hagler
Round 8: Hagler stops Obel

Total through 7 completed rounds: 70-62 Hagler (actual scores: 70-62, 70-62 and 70-63 all for Hagler)

So, despite not engaging one rated fighter, Obel was the WBA's top contender. It was a pleasure seeing Marvin at work and his slow break down of a fighter. Obel tried but was out of his depth. For the rematch, he claimed he had a cold going into this fight.

Why a rematch? It took place almost 2 years later and he won 8 straight in the meantime. However, there was only one win against a rated fighter (by WBA standards - Chong Pal Park), but Obel was from Venezuela, that WBA hotbed of politics that doesn't let a little thing like a loss bother them (just ask Lionel Hernandez) in receiving multiple title shots. So that got us....

Marvin Hagler v Fully Obel II (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Obel
Round 2: 10-9 Obel
Round 3: 10-9 Hagler
Round 4: 10-9 Hagler
Round 5: Hagler drops Obel emphatically for the 10 count

Total through 4 completed rounds: 38-38 Even (actual scores: 38-38, 39-39 and a 40-39 for Hagler)

Obel came into this fight with a better plan. By trying to stay on the outside and somewhat bolo-punching his shots in picked him up the first couple of rounds on my card. But at no time did I ever say that this plan had given him the edge. Marvin, a generally slow-starter, would still rattle his entire frame with a shot and one would automatically know that it was a matter of time. The KO was emphatic and the politcs that forced Hagler into this match was clearly on his mind as he said in a post-fight interview at the time, "I never want to see his ugly face again!"

On a side note, Obel wasn't a bad fighter, just a fighter that was taking advantage of the politics of the time. It would have been interesting to see him come to the States and actually develop and compete against the Hamshos and the Parkers and the Sibsons of the day. Who knows how far he could have gone?

 

That first fight is one of my favourite Hagler performances. The way he just bulldozed in, he was a destroyer.

 

First, about that rematch: They were to fight in Nevada with state-appointed officials. Galindez, however, leaned upon the WBA to have all Latin officials (remember, he’s the challenger). Lots of bickering back and forth and Nevada held its ground. So Rossman went to the ring for a rematch and Victor, just before the fight, refused and left the building. This with ABC TV set up to televise and a building full of fans.

In a just world, that would have been it — forfeit the rematch if not the actual result. But no, the WBA made Rossman fight a rematch in New Orleans (where he broke his hand early in the fight). Mike should have just left beforehand like Victor did and tell the WBA to stick it where the sun don’t shine. One of the worst travesties in modern boxing that Galindez was rewarded for walking out of a fight where he had signed a contract.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1979/03/...sport-and-kod-the-galindez-rossman-title-bout

Anyway, here’s my scoring of the first fight from earlier on this thread:

Mike Rossman vs. Victor Galindez I on Sept. 15, 1978, at the Superdome in New Orleans on the undercard of Muhammad Ali-Leon Spinks II, for Galindez’s WBA light heavyweight championship.

Rossman, No. 6 in the WBA rankings, is 34-4-3 (21) and weighs 173. Galindez is 53-6-4 (32) and made 175 even on his second attempt at the weigh-in after shedding a little over half a pound. He is undefeated since late 1971 and is making his 11th defense.

Rossman is 22 years old. Galindez is 30. They fight in 8-ounce gloves.

A crowd estimated at 60,000 is on hand for the Ali rematch. Danny “Little Red” Lopez defended his featherweight crown on the undercard, as did bantam Jorge Lujan (vs. Alberto Davila). Marvin Johnson also won over local guy Jerry Celestine.

Round 1: Rossman 10-9 — They start slow, with Rossman’s jab making the difference in a close round.

Round 2: Rossman 10-9 — Rossman’s jab and some good body work takes it, although Victor gets off some good clubbing counters.

Round 3: Galindez 10-9 — The champ clubs Rossman around a bit to take it.

Round 4: Rossman 10-9 — Close, but again it’s the jab and body work by Rossman that stands out.

Round 5: Galindez 10-9 — Victor reminds us why he’s champ, working Rossman over on the ropes and in the corner.

Round 6: Galindez 10-9 — More of the same, but closer. Galindez is cut over the right eye, and it will continue to pour blood throughout the rest of the fight.

Round 7: Rossman 10-9 — Mike lasers his jab in on that cut and again does some really good body work.

Round 8: Rossman 10-9 — Rossman keeps it at range with his jab and holds his own when Victor manages to force some in-fighting.

Round 9: Rossman 10-8 — I used decisive scoring here to give Rossman a 2-point round; he dominated the entire 3 minutes with his jab and body work, landing nice combos then hurt Victor late and had him wobbling all over with some bombs in the follow-up.

Round 10: Rossman 10-9 — All Rossman, and he even has a big advantage when they do some more phone-booth warfare. He’s in complete command.

Round 11: Rossman 10-9 — Mike works him over for 3 minutes and also continues to pound away at the body.

Round 12: Rossman 10-9 — Galindez has a couple of nice last-stand moments as he tries to turn it around but cannot sustain it and Rossman again gets the better of the action. Victor gets cut over the left eye in this round and his face is a bloody mask.

Round 13: Referee Carlos Berrocal stops it 55 seconds into the round as Rossman is pounding Galindez along the ropes. He does not object and quickly goes over to congratulate the new champ.

Rossman fought a disciplined, measured and at-times brilliant fight to win it. He worked Galindez’s scar tissue to bust him open and never got away from his jab or body attack for long. Off this performance, Rossman looks like he will be a force for years to come in the 175-pound ranks, but it didn’t turn out that way.

Oh, and I need to recognize the call (OK, he misses a few technical points like wanting the ref to break when they’re punching away inside) by the late Chris Schenkel, my favorite boxing announcer. His voice, his delivery and his subdued excitement always made me feel like I was watching with a favorite uncle. Howard Cosell, of course, called the Ali-Spinks II fight on this ABC broadcast but this one was all Chris, who is the anti-Howard in his lack of bombastic approach. It was wonderful to spend another evening with you, Chris. RIP pal.

 

You should see Larios vs. Vazquez 2, a basically nowadays closeted classic that was on ESPN. It will not disappoint you!

 

Thank You, it's on the agenda. I heard good things about it - but was delaying watching it for years.

 

You are right on all counts, but the WBA was based in Panama and is again based in Panama these days besides a decade long string in Venezuela in the 1990s...

I read somewhere that back then organizations were in bed with some countries, which paid them because their government thought that bringing boxing title fights and putting a lot of their boxing countrymen in title fights elsewhere brought touristic attention to those countries which in turn brought tourists who pay well to their economy.

I think, obviously without any evidence, that Puerto Rico and Mexico paid the WBC well and the WBA a bit too in the 80s, Venezuela and Argentina were with the WBA, Thailand was mostly WBC, etc , etc. When the WBO started, they were all over Europe....

Regardless of their boxers obvious talent of course because without talent you dont win title fights unless someone had something to do with the result which is another topic. The boxers involved all had talent, its the politics of the sport that suck.

And Obelmejias was a great boxer who happened to be in the wrong era like ten or eleven others. He had fantastic power and good fighting skills but against Hagler who can arguably be top 20 or 30 of all time maybe, it wasnt enough.

 

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I really enjoy one round, fast, no-scoring types of fights LOL