the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.



  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll give you guys one further on the Camacho-Limon fight. Shortly after the fight, Limon invited Don King and Camacho down to his home in Mexico for lunch. One would assume it would be for a "Thanks for the opportunity" type of thing, as it was clear he was shot and looking like he was punching underwater compared to Camacho. But it had to be a bombshell to King and Camacho when he was asking for a rematch. I would have loved to have seen the look on their faces at this request. I hope Limon didn't spend too much on the ham sandwiches.
     
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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Miguel Cotto v Manny Pacquiao (welterweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Pac
    Round 3: 10-9 Pac (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-8 Pac (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: 10-9 Cotto
    Round 6: 10-9 Pac
    Round 7: 10-9 Pac
    Round 8: 10-9 Pac
    Round 9: 10-9 Pac
    Round 10: 10-9 Pac
    Round 11: 10-9 Pac
    Round 12: Referee stops bout with Cotto suffering cuts and a pounding from Pac

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 109-100 Pacquiao (actual scores: 108-99, 108-100 and 109-99 all for Pac)

    To begin, what looked great on paper turned into a rout for Manny with his whirlwind attack. Not that Cotto didn't land and land good, but Pac was just too much. One thing to mention on my scoring was the 10-9 to Manny in the 3rd despite the knockdown. I felt Cotto did the heavy lifting that round and would have awarded him the round without the flash knockdown. But I wasn't going to give Manny a 10-8 for that. Also, one thing I noticed about the Cotto corner - which maybe I'm wrong on - perhaps not seeing it - but it wasn't until the interval between 11 and 12 did I see them actually treat one of Cotto's cuts. All they appeared to do was swab vaseline over them. That's not going to help, as he was clearly bleeding profusely at the beginning of each round. Strange corner work, but again, the whirlwind attack of Manny's was the key element of the day.
     
  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With Camacho’s speed, he probably ate all the sandwiches when Limon put the tray on the table and turned around to grab a pitcher of lemonade, haha.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    “Hey, Bazooka, sorry to eat and run...”
     
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  5. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Camacho, Limon, Chacon, Navarrette, Arguello and Boza Edwards fought practically everyone. What fights were not done (Chacon-Camacho, Limon-Serrano, Arguello-Serrano, Camacho-Mayweather, Chacon-Mayweather) were almost done....
     
  6. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That sums up the competitive nature of the guy. Remember him a few years later--what was it usa cable or espn? He was getting outpunched 4 or 5 to 1 so he reached out and pulled down sharmba mitchells trunks to stop the assault.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sammy Serrano really missed the boat on this one. One can see who was doing the heavy-lifting in that era, while Serrano was defending against all those hopeless WBA "#1 contenders". Coming through that era as champ without fighting Arguello, Chacon, Boza, Navarette, Limon and Camacho is akin to saying one was heavyweight champ during the '70s, yet, never having fought Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Quarry, Bonavena, Lyle, Shavers or Bugner. Serrano could have been discussed a lot more if only he would have engaged.
     
  8. AntonioMartin1

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    Yeah but Im sure he wanted to but Pepe Cordero was milking him too.....
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks to @Flo_Raiden for putting this on my radar. Love these old MSG bouts.

    Luis Rodriguez v Federico Thompson (NY rounds scoring basis)

    I won't bore anyone with my point tally, because I gave the first round to Thompson and the rest to Rodriguez for a 9-1 score for Luis (actual scores: 9-1, 9-1 and 7-3 all for Rodriguez)

    It is not that it was a one-sided fight, just a one-sided score. Thompson was in every round and was clearly the harder puncher but at 34 and 150 odd fights on his record, he was showing a lot of miles. Moreover, he was up against a force of nature in Rodriguez who rained a blizzard of punches on him from all angles for a deserved victory. At his best I couldn't see Thompson matching that workrate.

    It should also be noted the stark difference in boxing from the early 60s to today. As I mentioned, Thompson was a 150 bout veteran and shopworn at 34. An age today they are referred to as their prime because their bodies haven't the wear and tear on them with everyone today fighting twice a year. Also, Rodriguez was having about his 45th fight and was just an upcoming kid. Today, anyone with those numbers is a long-in-the-tooth veteran. Lastly, the crowd back then expected so much. Although Luis could have sat back and enjoyed his reach advantage over Thompson and just pop-popped that jab all night - as what would be instructed today - he got in and engaged and slathered Thompson's body. Luis' best round was probably the 7th. Thompson started the round well but then Rodriguez just went all out. Amazingly, amid the cheers, I could also hear a smattering of boos. I can only think they would be booing perhaps at thinking Thompson was putting in a non-effort. But again, a war is what was expected from two fighters back then from the paying crowd. And fighters complied hoping to be matched again at this venue and better yet, hoping a good performance will get them televised. A different game back then. But I enjoyed this fight.
     
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  11. AntonioMartin1

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    I had Carbajal ahead by 59-52 but it wasnt easy by any means! Carbajal ate rights like if it was breakfast...

    Also, enjoy the Italian lesson! I felt like I was Connie Corleone for a bit LOL et tutti buono, capiche ?
     
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  12. AntonioMartin1

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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Putting this fight and the Carbajal fight on my list, Antonio. Thanks for the heads-up.
     
  14. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No problem!!! :)
     
  15. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was a hell of a performance from Pacquiao. The fight was pretty good for about 4 or 5 rounds. I watched the later stages of the fight recently and forgot about some of the hard shots Cotto landed even in full retreat.

    Do you think he deserved to see the final bell?