the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I don't think it was so much about deserving as much as having shipped such a prolonged battering that could he. I think I heard at the end of the fight that Cotto himself wanted to bail but was pushed out for another round. So, no. A proper stoppage.

 

Muangchai Kittikasem v Michael Carbajal (jr. flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 2; 10-9 Carbajal
Round 3: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 4: 10-7 Carbajal (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 6: 10-8 Carbajal (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: Carbajal drops and stops Kittikasem

Total through 6 completed rounds: 60-51 Carbajal (actual scores: 59-53, 59-53 and 59-54)

Clearly I was far more generous to Carbajal than the judges. I have no problem anyone scoring some of the first 3 rounds differently than I because they were razor close. I just felt Carbajal carried them very slightly on power. It's the 4th round I'm a bit baffled on. All 3 judges scored it 10-8. I was more liberal with having a 10-7 due to the 2 knockdowns. Antonio, I would have given the Thai the 6th round if not for the knockdown. It was like you said, he was really nailing Carbajal that round. But a damn good fight overall.

 

Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito 1

Probably one of the most controversial fights of all time given the aftermath and one of the most controversial fighters. I went on a deep dive about the hand wraps and frankly do't know what I think as every forum thread seemed split 50/50 while most Youtube analysis seemed to think Margarito was guilty.

Due to all of this it is very hard to watch and comment on this match. To enjoy it I had to pretend I was watching it live as it happened. Cotto started brilliantly but I think either got over confident, tired or succumbed to machismo but the moment he slowed and Antonio got his punches flowing he seemed to deflate like punctured balloon. There were still moments of brilliance (I was probably over generous to Cotto in my scoring of the first 6 rounds) but he was fighting to survive rather than win from round 7. Margarito did look massive compared to Miguel so I can see why his punches would have a devastating effect even without any skullduggery. I also read an interveiw with Pacquiao where he said Margarito was immensely strong and hard punching in their fight so it does not sound like his punching power evaporated as some claim.

I left the fight as a fan of Cotto, he boxed amazingly and showed huge heart. Either he was beaten by a cheat, or he was simply ground down by a bigger guy, either way there is no shame in his performance. I am interested to see his other fights now to see how he progressed after this one and how much it took out of him.

1 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

2 - Margarito 10 Cotto 9

3 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

4 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

5 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

6 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

7 - Margarito 10 Cotto 9

8 - Margarito 9 Cotto 10

9 - Margarito 10 Cotto 9

10 - Margarito 10 Cotto 9

11 - Margarito wins KO

Margarito 94 Cotto 96

 

Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko

Another controversial fight, although whoever felt Vitali should have been allowed to continue is a braver man than I! I sort of feel Lennox would have caught up with him in the end, however he did look dead tired and when the massive uppercut in round 5 didn't KO Klitschko he must have been wondering what he had to do to put him away. Vitali was also tired but seemed to recuperate better so perhaps he would have bounced back? But those cuts were not going to get any better so if it wasn't the 6th round it would have been stopped the next two for sure and at least Vitali survived to fight another day with his handsome face intact!

Lewis looked terrible, and the whole fight was messy, but managed to used his whole body as a blungeon, leaning and tangling on Klitschko like a dead weight and at one point dragging both to the floor which earned him a kick from Klitschko, but he sportingly helped him up. Other than later Foreman I don't think there has been a fighter who has used their shear physicality to such effect. I feel even when Lewis missed a punched the giant gust of air would wobble most fighters.

Klitschko showed a ton of guts and it is a shame we didn't see a rematch. I am hard pressed to predict who would have won this, would Lennox, as he had before, make adjustments and blow Klitschko out or would he age overnight and be outpointed?

1- Lewis 9 Klitschko 10

2 - Lewis 9 Klitschko 10

3 - Lewis 10 Klitschko 9

4 - Lewis 9 Klitschko 10

5 - Lewis 9 Klitschko 10

6 - Lewis wins referee stops fight

Lewis 46 Klitschko 49

 

I thought exactly the same, the only round I differed with was round two, but also round six Kittikasem was winning it until he got dropped.

I think Carbajal knew he had him and was just taking his time in round six. Oh and BTW, round four was 10-7...thats almost like in the first Holyfield-Moorer fight in which Holyfiend dropped Moorer in round 2 and a judge scored it 10-10!

 

Carlos Monzon v Jose Napoles (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Napoles
Round 3: 10-9 Monzon
Round 4: 10-9 Napoles
Round 5: 10-9 Monzon
Round 6: 10-8 Monzon (battering)
Round 7: Angelo Dundee would not allow Napoles out for the 7th due to Napoles' cuts

Total: 58-56 Monzon

The first 3 rounds were very tight with Napoles trying very hard to get inside the taller Monzon. When he landed, he landed extremely sharp punches to the body and head. All of which Monzon handled. Monzon always had a very basic jab, jab, right hand. But it really was effective here as he zeroed in on Napoles who could not get out of the way of those guided missles. I wilI say though, some of those shots Napoles landed took out many a welterweight. Monzon was just too damn big for a great, but small welterweight like Napoles. Also, I would discount a lot of what Angelo Dundee said after the fight, that Monzon thumbed both eyes. It really dripped of rhetoric.

 

Steve Collins v Nigel Benn I (super middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Collins
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Benn
Round 4: Benn retires mid-round with an ankle injury

Total through 3 completed rounds: 29-29 Even (actual scores: 29-29, 29-28 and 29-27 both for Collins)

I know many looked forward to this fight, but to tell you the truth, the styles didn't gel for me. I felt it was a lot swings, misses, mauling, grappling and butting. In the 4th Benn went down, injured his ankle and quit under distress from Collins' punches along the ropes, unable to cope from the injury.

Steve Collins v Nigel Benn II (super middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Collins
Round 2: 10-9 Collins
Round 3: 10-9 Benn
Round 4: 10-9 Collins
Round 5: 9-9 Even (scored for Collins but deducted 1 point for use of the head)
Round 6: 10-9 Collins
Benn's corner retires him at the end of the round

Total through 6 completed rounds: 58-55 Collins (actual scores not known)

This quite literally took up where it left off from the 4th round of their first fight. The same sloppiness I didn't care for first time around. The only change that was made was in the 4th round Collins started firing from distance instead of clattering around on the inside and it began paying off. Benn had a compassionate corner looking out for him because I felt he was still in the fight and would have let it carry on. But again, I don't know how others felt, but I just wasn't enamored over the styles.

 

Steve Robinson v Jon Davison (vacant WBO featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Robinson
Round 2: 10-9 Davison
Round 3: 10-9 Robinson
Round 4: 10-9 Robinson
Round 5: 10-9 Robinson
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Davison
Round 8: 10-9 Davison
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Davison
Round 11: 10-9 Davison
Round 12: 10-9 Robinson

Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 2 scores of 115-114 for Robinson and 1 score of 116-114 for Davison ((the Danish judge's score was actually announced as 117-116 for Davison, so some mathematical error had to have been corrected)))

For what really should have and would have been a British featherweight title fight in any other era, turned into a world title fight and a terrific fight. WBO champ Ruben Palacios, who was to defend against Davison, but tested positive for AIDS and his career was done. Enter journeyman Steve Robinson on 36 hours notice and they turned in a great fight. Davison would remind one of Paddy DeMarco. No real punch but would bludgeon your body until you fall or his hand is raised. Robinson's pin-point punching was brilliant and stunning Davison in the last round, which I thought Davison was winning until getting caught, may have won him the fight. Definitely recommend this one.

 

Hi fellas, sorry I've been so absent lately. Been dealing with personal stuff and it's kind of just sucked the air out of me a bit. Back in the fold soon, just enjoying the posts lately.

 

Looking forward to your return, Sal.

 

Even when I can’t find time to watch/score fights (which is always a challenge), I still enjoy just reading the posts on this threat. Thanks to all who contribute.

 

Hello! My name is Esteban Portuguez, my grandfather was Jesus "Tuzo" Portuguez, a top ten fighter in the era of 1950s and 1960s, from Costa Rica, he beat Beu Jack twice at Madison Square Garden and trained with Rocky Marciano. I am writing this because I want to watch his fights because is one of my dreams of all time to see how my grandpa fought, but I cannot find them anywhere if anyone knows a website to watch them please let me know. Thank you community.

 

Hello! My name is Esteban Portuguez, my grandfather was Jesus "Tuzo" Portuguez, a top ten fighter in the era of 1950s and 1960s, from Costa Rica, he beat Beu Jack twice at Madison Square Garden and trained with Rocky Marciano. I am writing this because I want to watch his fights because is one of my dreams of all time to see how my grandpa fought, but I cannot find them anywhere if anyone knows a website to watch them please let me know. Thank you community.

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Hi Esteban. Welcome to the forum.

I’d suggest you start a thread on that with a title like ‘Looking for info and video of Jesus ‘Tuzo’ Portuguez and explain you interest. It will be seen by more people who might can help.

 

John Ruiz vs Andrew Golota WBA HWT Title
1: Ruiz 10-9
2: 10-7 Golota
3: 10-9 Golota
4: 10-8 Golota
5: 10-9 Golota
6: 10-9 Ruiz
7: 10-9 Ruiz
8: 10-9 Ruiz
9: 10-9 Ruiz
10: 10-9 Ruiz
11: 10-9 Golota
12: 10-9 Ruiz
Final: 113-112 Golota with Ruiz winning 7 rounds to 5

The second knockdown was a push and a rabbit punch while Ruiz was down.

Round 2 had some hard punching by both men

There was so much clinching in round three it was really hard to score that round. most of the punches landed on the back, in the back of the head for both guys

Round four was terrible it was a foul filled round with a bunch of rabbit punching Larry Merchant complained a little bit about the point deduction but the ref basically promised to take a point for the next foul and Ruiz made it pretty easy

In round 5 I keep saying, Neumann needs to let these guys fight. He keeps breaking the clinches immediately but when he doesn't they work

Round 6 one of the worst rounds I've ever seen in my whole life Larry Merchant said he would rather watch tires be rotated

End of round 8 Neumann actually let them fight in the clinch and they had a good exchange. Odd no call for the shots after the bell

round 9 was the best since round two they actually threw exchanges and Ruiz landed some hard punches and cut Golota. I disagree with the commentators saying that Newman did a good job I think he either needed to take more points to discourage the fouling or make them fight their way out of the clinches

10 I thought this was golota's best round in a while but after the time for the wraps Ruiz went on the assault and landed some good punches. Ruiz was then hit after the Bell with a rabbit punch and went down and no point was taken. Jim Lampley was trying to say that it was at the Bell and not a foul but it was clearly after the Bell and clearly behind the head

Golota really is a terrible finisher, had Ruiz down and I think fairly hurt, had Grant out on his feet and Bowe in all kinds of trouble

5 & 6 Lederman and I differed but same overall score after 6 and same overall

Conclusion: this was a bizarre one the first two rounds and the last four were pretty entertaining but the middle rounds were horrible some of the worst I've ever seen. I disagree with the HBO team I thought that Newman was terrible as a ref and scored a terrible knockdown and would not take a point from Golota despite numerous fouls on his part especially that punch after the Bell. Andrew was clearly the better fighter and had more weapons at his disposal and drops Ruiz but could not fully take advantage of his Superior skill. I don't get ruiz,he punches hard and has a nice right and left hook but just falls in. I think it's his bad defense that he relies on calling in to avoid getting hit