the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

McGrain, I don't know if you noticed regarding that 2nd round knockdown. But when Ugas was getting up the clock was visual in the lower right hand corner and Bernstein mentions "One minute to go". But suddenly the bell rings with a minute to go in the round. Bernstein and crew don't say a word about it. It was as if they would be bringing attention that their broadcast screwed up somehow. Of course i always get suspicious that they're trying to save a particular fighter or maybe the production time if the fight ended in the 2nd round. But it was probably just a timekeeper screw-up. I just didn't like them suddenly going mum when they knew there was an error.

 

Checked out a couple of old Alexis Arguello fights I hadn't seen in some time

Alexis Arguello v Bubba Busceme (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Busceme
Round 3: 10-9 Busceme
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Busceme
Round 6: Arguello stops Busceme

Total through 5 completed rounds: 49-47 Busceme (actual scores: 48-47, 48-47 and 49-48 all for Arguello)

I remember seeing this back in the day and simply wondering when Arguello was going to lower the boom. Busceme got off to a good start, but there was never a chance he would be able to keep it up. I saw him huffing in a clinch in the 3rd round. When Arguello started zeroing in with a left hook, it was just a matter of time. But I gave Bubba full credit for boxing well on his bike, even though there was an inevitability about it.

Alexis Arguello v Andy Ganigan (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Ganigan (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Ganigan
Round 3: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: Arguello drops Ganigan for the count

Total through 4 completed rounds: 38-37 Ganigan (actual scores: 39-37 and 37-36 both for Arguello and a 37-37)

This was a terrific fight. It was bombs away from the get-go. Ganigan always had that Kamikaze style of kill or be killed and like the Busceme fight, there was an inevitability about it. Arguello was such an attrition fighter. The kind who thrived on a 15 round fight. I like what Tim Ryan said that he sits back for a couple of rounds and collects the data. An awesome fighter.

 

2004-03-25 Israel Vazquez TKO12 Jose Luis Valbuena (Vacant IBF Super Bantamweight Title)
Round 1: 10:9
Round 2: 9:10*
Round 3: 9:10
Round 4: 10:8 (Valbuena down)
Round 5: 9:10
Round 6: 10:8 (Valbuena lost a point for low blows)
Round 7: 10:9
Round 8: 10:9
Round 9: 10:8* (Valbuena lost a point for low blows)
Round 10: 10:9
Round 11: 10:9*
Final Score: 107:109 Vazquez

I think it's probably one of the more overlooked wins on Vazquez's record. Valbuena only lost to Yober Ortega and Marco Antonio Barrera at this point - and He gave Barrera very difficult night. He wasn't the most technical, but sort of awkwrdly clever guy with good boxing eye and sneaky power. He was always able to get his left hand through.
Fight was close over first half - even though Valbuena got buzzed in round 1 and then dropped in round 4 - but Vazquez took over from middle to late rounds.
You could see what made Vazquez so dangerous in this fight. Pretty rare combinations of stamina and power, but also a lot of patience and discipline on the mental side of the game. No frustration, just going about his business in professional manner, methodically breaking his opponent down.
.. it also puts into perspective the performance of Oscar Larios - who on short notice outlasted Vazquez 2 years before that.

 

I love both of these fights.

Bubba boxed his fanny off and gave AA everything he had and everything he could in a disciplined performance.

I never felt like the Ganigan turn in Alexis’ favor was inevitable. Andy was a legit banger and he’s always one punch away from turning a fight or winning it, even against Arguello (as he showed with with a legit, jarring KD). I felt that fight was up for grabs from the start.

 

I missed the fight, Ugas is a guy I root for. Does he look done? Is Barrios now a force?

 

Watched Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton today great fight here's how I scored it:

Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton

Round 1 10-9 Holmes

Round 2 10-9 Holmes

Round 3 10-9 Holmes

Round 4 10-9 Holmes

Round 5 10-9 Holmes

Round 6 10-9 Holmes

Round 7 10-9 Norton

Round 8 10-9 Norton

Round 9 10-9 Holmes

Round 10 10-9 Norton

Round 11 10-9 Norton

Round 12 10-9 Holmes

Round 13 10-9 Holmes

Round 14 10-9 Norton

Round 15 10-9 Holmes

Final Score: 145:140 Holmes
Couple of close rounds but I feel like Norton only started to do well after round 6 but still feel like fight was closer and more competitive then my scorecard would indicate

 

Aaron Pryor v Alexis Arguello I (jr. welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Pryor
Round 2: 10-9 Pryor
Round 3: 10-9 Pryor
Round 4: 10-9 Pryor
Round 5: 10-9 Arguello
Round 6: 10-9 Pryor
Round 7: 10-9 Pryor
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Arguello
Round 10: 10-9 Pryor
Round 11: 10-9 Arguello
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Pryor
Round 14: Pryor stops Arguello

Total through 13 completed rounds: 127-122 Pryor (actual scores: 2 scores of 127-124 for Pryor and a 127-125 for Arguello)

Although a terrific fight, this is harder on the judge than one might think and I'll tell you why. Back in the day I was a huge Arguello fan. You couldn't help yourself, he was such a gentleman. Whereas, Pryor was so brash he took on the role of antagonist. That aside, one could get 'lost' in this bout while scoring. And by that I mean there was an anticipation of Arguello landing the big one, which he did, but only here and there. I recall cheering at everything Arguello threw, but looking at it clearly today, they were far and few between Pryor's all-action punching. If Pryor's shots were taps it would be understandable that one of Arguello's big shots could carry a round, but all of Pryor's were head-poppers and I can't ignore all those shots he landed, which is why I had it wider than the judges. Outstanding fight and I'd like to know other's scores on this.

 

That's always been my take on it too, that Pryor outlanded Arguello so comprehensively that it really wasn't that close, though a courageous effort.

 

Competitive? You bet … and with always the thought that AA might just take it late as he often did.

But close? No.

 

Luis Rodriguez v Skeeter McClure I (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: LR
Round 2: Even
Round 3: LR (Rodriguez scores a knockdown)
Round 4: LR
Round 5: LR
Round 6: Skeeter (Rodriguez is penalized for continuous low blows. On the NY rounds scoring, the round is taken from the offending fighter and given to the other fighter. In this instance, I had given the round to Skeeter anyway, so no further deductions are made - a flawed system)
Round 7: LR
Round 8: LR
Round 9: LR
Round 10: Skeeter

Total: 7-2-1 Rodriguez (actual scores: 6-3-1, 5-4-1 and 5-3-2 all for Rodriguez)

I absolutely love Luis Rodriguez fights. The man just fought for 3 minutes a round and didn't care who was in front of him, whether it be welterweight or middleweight. The jab kept pumping and the slather of body shots kept rolling. He knew how to entertain. Skeeter tried but was outgunned but did make for one terrific stand in the 10th. But too little, too late.

 

Just watched Mark Kaylor V Errol Christie, did not score it but i would be very interested in hearing from anyone who did. The score for the first round especially intrigues me