the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I just watched this one.

Ike Quartey vs Jose Luis Lopez

1 Quartey
2 Lopez 10-9 knockdown but Lopez did next to nothing outside of the knockdown which is why i didn't give him a 2 point round.
3 Quartey
4 Quartey
5 Quartey
6 Lopez
7 Lopez
8 Quartey
9 Quartey
10 Lopez
11 Lopez 10-8 knockdown
12 Lopez

114-113 Lopez

The punchstats were very one sided in Quartey's favour 387 to 104 but i swear those stats were very misleading and don't tell the whole story.

Yes Quartey controlled the fight early on with his terrific jab as Lopez outside of the flash knockdown in the 2nd round wasn't really doing anything. But i think by the 6th round Lopez started to warm up as he started letting combinations fly, and Quartey's jab after the 5th round wasn't anywhere near as effective as Lopez was starting to get through it and let punches fly.

I see you scored the 6th round for Quartey but i thought that was good round Lopez, as they stood in the middle of the ring trading punches in probably the best round of the fight. And i thought Lopez's combination punching and harder punches edged him that round, and i also thought this round was quite telling as the fight started to slowly turn in Lopez's favour as Quartey's jab became less effective.

The 11th round Lopez scored a hard knockdown and from that point on Quartey was in survival mode, especially in the 12th round where Quartey basically run throughout the entire round looking to hear the final bell.

Lopez is so frustrating to watch though he has very good power, good boxing skills, lovely crisp combinations when he lets them go, and an iron chin. But he just doesn't throw enough punches and is too lazy what a shame he could've been a fantastic talent.

Overall a fight of two halves but i thought Lopez's late rally with the 2 knockdowns was enough to give him the edge, and he certainly looked he won the war overall so to speak as Quartey was literally running away in the last round.

 

Pernell Whitaker v Oscar DeLaHoya (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 2: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 3: 10-9 DeLaHoya (I actually had it 10-10 but that was a silly decision to deduct a point for the accidental butt from PW)
Round 4: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 5: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 6: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 9: 10-8 Whitaker (bad call on the knockdown - no officials seemed to notice that OD's left leg and Pw's right leg was tangled)
Round 10: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 DeLaHoya

Total: 115-114 DeLaHoya (actual scores: 115-111, 116-110 and another 116-110 all for Oscar)

I had it closer than the judges but the same winner. Can't see their scoring at all. Very close here, D.

 

Felix Trinidad vs ODLH

1 ODLH
2 ODLH
3 ODLH
4 Trinidad
5 ODLH
6 ODLH
7 ODLH
8 ODLH
9 Trinidad
10 Trinidad
11 Trinidad
12 Trinidad

115-113 ODLH

So continuing with ODLH's controversial decisions i decided to score this classic fight again.

What surprised me is that i had ODLH 7-1 up after 8 rounds, that's a bit more dominant than i remember it being. But overall i have no problem with anyone scoring this a draw but i still can't see 7 rounds for Trinidad. There's no way Trinidad won 3 out of the first 8 rounds i'm sorry i can't see it all, Trinidad barely landed anything of significance in those first 8 rounds. ODLH peppered him with jabs the occasional combination and totally nullified Trinidad's offence with his movement.

ODLH of course lost all the later rounds as we know because he decided to coast instead of securing the win, but i still don't think those later rounds were enough for Trinidad to get a win.

 

Oscar DeLaHoya v Felix Trinidad (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 4: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 5: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 6: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 7: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 8: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 9: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 10: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 11: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 12: 10-9 Trinidad

Total: 116-114 DeLaHoya

I was a huge fan of Trinidad's when this fight took place, but there was no way he won this.

 

Felix Sturm vs ODLH

1 ODLH
2 ODLH
3 Sturm
4 ODLH
5 ODLH
6 Sturm
7 Sturm
8 Sturm
9 Sturm
10 Sturm
11 Sturm
12 Sturm

116-112 Sturm

So this is the last of my ODLH controversial decisions.

I had this fight more one sided than i remembered it being, i thought ODLH did fairly well in the first 6 rounds he was very active went to Sturm's body effectively and i actually had ODLH clearly ahead after 5 rounds.

The issue i saw though is that i thought ODLH threw way too many punches early on, in the 1st round he threw 103 punches and averaged 80 punches a round for the next few rounds. That's a hell of a workrate for a Middleweight especially when ODLH wasn't in the best of shape fighting at a weightclass he'd never fought at.

After 6th round Sturm pretty much controlled the fight and ODLH had very little to offer in later rounds, as Sturm backed him up consistently landed accurate shots especially the jab and his defence was water tight.

ODLH for me blew his load early on trying to finish Sturm early on, and didn't have the energy in the later rounds to be competitive with Sturm.

Overall a big gift for ODLH to save the Hopkins/ODLH fight.

@scartissue

 

Dariusz Michalczewski v Mark Prince (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 DM
Round 2: 10-9 Prince
Round 3: 10-9 Prince
Round 4: 10-9 Prince
Round 5: 10-9 DM
Round 6: 10-9 DM
Round 7: 10-9 DM
Round 8: DM KO's Prince

Total through 7 completed rounds: 67-66 Michalczewski (actual scores: 68-65, 69-64 and 69-65 all for DM)

I was far more generous to Prince than the judges, but the rounds I was giving him was clearly part of the DM plan. To bait Prince with his standup high-guard and let him work himself to exhaustion before going into the next gear. Sort of like a mid-ring rope-a-dope, which paid dividends. I felt DM should have at least gone to the body more during this exercise, but one can't argue with success. Still, both fighters showed outstanding fundamentals in this bout. Both well-schooled and I totally enjoyed the bout as it unfolded. I will say this, however, which is more a condemnation of contemporary fighters. Today, when a fighter loses that undefeated price tag, they also lose heart. Years ago, you lose a fight, it's "Oh well, I'll get him in the rematch." Prince was a shining example of the former. He was 18-0 going into this fight and the loss shouldn't have been a big deal because he had talent. But after losing the fight, he lost heart and didn't come back for 14 months. He won that fight and promptly retired (unless there was something I don't know about him). He did eventually come back again but that was 14 years later. So many recent fighters have the same story. Fighters who can't come to grips with a loss.

 

What a coincidence, I just watched this fight myself.

I'm now trying to source as many Lopez fights as I can. He's a beautiful offensive fighter when he actually decides to let his hands go, but he just wasn't busy enough in many of the rounds against Quartey.

 

Watch his fight vs James Page another frustrating fight where he had his man down twice and didn't do enough, if Lopez would've worked a bit harder I'm sure he could've had Page out of there.

 

Larry Holmes vs Michael Spinks 2

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Spinks
7 Holmes
8 Spinks
9 Holmes
10 Spinks
11 Holmes
12 Holmes
13 Spinks
14 Holmes
15 Spinks

145-140 Holmes

I'm actually surprised how wide i had it this is only my 2nd time watching the fight, and this is the first time i've really sat down and properly scored the fight. But i thought Holmes won this fight hands down it wasn't even close to me.

Holmes won pretty much all the early rounds being the aggressor and had a huge lead already after 5 rounds, Spinks would steal the odd round after that but Holmes was the one who rocked Spinks numerous times throughout the fight and did the most damage.

I'm actually in disbelief how anyone could possibly see this fight for Spinks a total robbery.

 

This is what I posted about it in 2011, but I would need to rewatch...

I rewatched and rescored this one last night and I have to say I thought Michael Spinks had a legitimate claim at winning the fight. He definitely set out just to survive the first four rounds knowing that Holmes was going to go for an early knockout, but he stepped it up later on throwing his patented flurries to head and body which were scoring and winning rounds.

Harold Lederman had it for Holmes by three points, but he didn't give Michael Spinks a round until the sixth. I had Spinks narrowly stealing the 5th. Likewise, he also gave Holmes round 12 and 14. I gave both of these rounds to Spinks. It's true, Holmes badly hurt Spinks in the 14th, but he was outlanded 3-1 otherwise. The only real hard shot he landed the entire round was a right hand that hurt Spinks, the rest of the three minutes he was dominated in terms of landing clean, effective punches. I didn't think that one right hand offset all of Spinks' good work.

Holmes: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 13
Spinks: 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15

I didn't actually note down the rounds because it was stupidly late at night, but I think I remember those being my scores. I could be wrong, I might of had the fight slightly in favour of Holmes, give or take a round. Overall point being, I don't think this fight was a robbery or a clear win for either man. Larry started fast but his work rate definitely came down as the rounds wore on, and this was when Spinks took advantage by throwing punches in bunches.

I was very impressed by both men in this one. Larry turned up but Spinks stayed with him all the way anyway. Both fighters showed their exceptional jabs, and Larry actually threw his right hand in this one hurting Spinks on at least two occasions. Spinks landed some big shots, notably his left hook, but Holmes was unphased by anything he landed. Spinks was clearly too small to hurt Larry.

I really liked this fight.

 

It was a real pleasure watching Darius back then. And the way he beat guys---he was the only guy around with that grinding style that got stronger and stronger as the fight went on. Kind of like you said---guys were never the same after taking the licking this guy administered. He took them out to the woodshed after usually absorbing their best shots and walking through them.

That was not an appreciated style back then and time has not done that style any favors now.

 

Just watched his fight with Campas, who named Lopez as being the hardest puncher he ever fought. Even over Tito.

The usual from Lopez - waiting too long, easy to hit, but this dude was reminiscent of JMM at his best when he threw in combination. Scored a knockdown early on with a jab, right hand, left uppercut combination that both JMM and MAB liked to use a lot. Campas was game and landed plenty but Lopez would just laugh. Stopped on a cut.

 

Livingstone Bramble vs Ray Mancini 1

1 Mancini
2 Bramble
3 Mancini
4 Mancini
5 Mancini
6 Mancini
7 Bramble
8 Bramble
9 Bramble
10 Bramble
11 Bramble
12 Bramble
13 Bramble
14 Bramble Wins by TKO

125-122 Bramble

Mancini started off fairly well outhustling and outworking Bramble in the first 6 rounds. But to me it looked like Bramble was just biding his time as he was never in any trouble, as he was picking off alot of Mancini's shots with his tight guard waiting for Mancini to slow down and wear himself out

After the 6th round Bramble pretty much controlled and dominated the fight for me, switching to Southpaw Bramble seemed to have the most success landing his right hook out of the Southpaw stance consistently. Bramble walked Mancini down and beat him up with nice accurate shots whilst keeping his own defence pretty tight so Mancini couldn't land much of any substance.

I'm not quite sure how two judges had Mancini ahead but overall it was a good fight but Bramble dominated down the stretch.

@scartissue @Jel

 

Ray Mancini vs Livingstone Bramble 2

1 Mancini
2 Bramble
3 Mancini
4 Bramble
5 Bramble
6 Mancini
7 Bramble
8 Mancini
9 Bramble
10 Bramble
11 Bramble
12 Bramble
13 Mancini
14 Mancini
15 Mancini

143-142 Bramble

Much closer fight than their 1st bout surprisingly Bramble barely fought out of the Southpaw stance which surprised me, since i thought the Southpaw stance he was most effective as especially with the right hook.

The difference in this fight though is that Mancini fought a bit smarter and wasn't wadding in with punches, he put educated pressure on Bramble and won his fair share of rounds.

I thought Bramble was taking over after the 8th round kind of like he did in the 1st fight, but call me crazy i thought Mancini had a good stretch between 13-15. And outhustled Bramble in those rounds and did enough to nick them to make it a close fight in the end.

Overall despite me having it a very close fight i don't think there's any doubt that Bramble won in a competitive fight, and i may of been a tad generous to Mancini in a few of the later rounds. But great heart shown from Mancini when it looked like the fight could be stopped in the middle rounds due to swelling around his eye, but he dug deep and made a fight out it.

Another good good fight between these two and more competitive this time around, but Bramble did enough overall with his cleaner punching and better defence.

@Jel @scartissue

 

D, here are my scores on the two fights and what I wrote:

Ray Mancini v Livingstone Bramble I (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Mancini
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Bramble
Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
Round 9: 10-9 Bramble
Round 10: 10-9 Bramble
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Bramble
Round 13: 10-9 Bramble
Round 14: Bramble stops Mancini

Total through 13 completed rounds: 126-124 Bramble (actual scores: 126-121 Bramble, 125-122 and 124-123 both for Mancini)

This could be a bit of a toughie due to Mancini throwing a lot of leather but Bramble picking his shots accurately. It's what impresses you, the judge. Either way one sees it, one undeniable fact is that it was an outstanding fight.

Livingstone Bramble v Boom Boom Mancini II (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Bramble
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Bramble
Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Bramble
Round 12: 10-9 Bramble
Round 13: 10-9 Mancini
Round 14: 10-9 Bramble
Round 15: 10-9 Bramble

Total: 146-143 Bramble

The first time I watched it live I had it a draw, just tallying in my head. Pen-to-paper, I've got Bramble the winner. But, to tell you the truth, if I scored this fight again right now I'm sure my score would be different and maybe a draw. Each round was contested so tightly. So great watching a real championship fight contested bitterly over 15 rounds.