the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

This fight has 70-s80s-90s bout written all over it.

 

Honestly I’d rather if somehow all four Chacon-Limon fights would emerge in HD than finding lost footage of Harry Greb.

 

@scartissue this is how i had it.


Cornelius Boza Edwards vs Bobby Chacon 1

1 Chacon
2 Edwards
3 Edwards
4 Chacon
5 Edwards
6 Edwards
7 Edwards
8 Chacon
9 Chacon
10 Edwards
11 Edwards
12 Edwards
13 Edwards
14 Chacon doesn't come out for the 14th round Edwards wins by TKO

126-121 Edwards

So funnily enough i've never seen their 1st meeting, i finally got round to watching it. The first 4 rounds were pretty competitive rounds 3 and 4 were standout rounds, the kind of back and forth action you see in their 2nd fight. But after that Edwards took control of the fight, and despite Chacon rallying in rounds 8 and 9, even almost putting Edwards down in the 9th round with a right hand. I always felt Boza Edwards was in control, and getting the better of it in a majority of the rounds. Despite Chacon always staying in the fight with his right hand.

The later rounds were quite punishing for Chacon, especially rounds 12 and 13. Where he absorbed alot of punishment from Edwards, who just wouldn't stop coming and Chacon couldn't keep the physically stronger Edwards off him.

Chacon was pretty badly cut over the eyebrow, and was looking pretty busted up and tired. And i think the corner stopping the fight after the 13th round was the right call.

Overall this fight was entertaining had some exciting back and forth rounds 3, 4, 8, 9. But mostly it was Edwards who the better man throughout a majority of the fight, not as memorable as their famous 2nd fight but still worth watching.

 

The way the first fight went you’d think there was no chance of Chacon getting a win in the rematch.

Boza was always a big junior lightweight - he fought Arguello in 1980 at 135 and managed to shrink himself down to 130 between ‘81 and ‘83 but taking lightweight fights in between like his war with Roberto Elizondo in 1982.

Chacon, on the other hand, always looked undersized at 130, still looking very much like a featherweight and when you looked at his frame against Boza’s, he looked at least one weight division smaller.

 

Roberto Duran v Luigi Minchillo

Round 1: 10-9 Duran
Round 2: 10-9 Duran
Round 3: 10-9 Minchillo
Round 4: 10-9 Minchillo
Round 5: 10-9 Duran
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 Duran
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Duran

Total: 98-93 Duran (actual scores: 98-92, 100-91 and 100-90 all for Duran)

To begin, I loved this fight. A good, hard-banging study in infighting. Minchillo was a revelation in his toughness. Even Duran, in the post-fight interview said he wasn't expecting this. After the Nino Gonzalez fight a month and a half earlier, it was needed to keep Duran sharp. And I loved seeing those shots to body and head delivered hard in combination again. Good times.

 

I did this one in early 2022:

Roberto Duran: The Lost Years

Chapter Two

My exploration of Duran’s career in the space between his ‘no mas’ loss to Ray Leonard and his revival win over Davey Moore continues with his second comeback fight after taking off nine months following the events of New Orleans.

Roberto Duran vs. Luigi Minchillo, scheduled for 10 rounds on Sept. 26, 1981, at Caesars Palace Outdoor Arena in Las Vegas.

This comes seven weeks after his win over Nino Gonzalez in his first fight back and, ironically, 10 days after Leonard beats Thomas Hearns to unify the welterweight championship in the same ring outside the Caesars property (Leonard-Hearns took place on a Wednesday night). Held in 90-degree summer heat, this fight draws about 2,000 spectators for a CBS-televised fight.

Duran, 30, is 73-2 (55) and ranked No. 2 at welterweight by the WBC. He weighs 154 and looks slimmer and more solid than he did vs. Gonzalez.

Minchillo, 26, is 35-1 (22) and ranked No. 16 at junior middleweight by the WBC. He weighs 153 1/2 and is the European champion at 154.

1. 10-9 Duran (close)

2. 10-9 Duran

3. 10-9 Duran

4. 10-9 Minchillo

5. 10-9 Duran

6. 10-9 Duran

7. 10-9 Duran

8. 10-9 Duran

9. 10-9 Duran (close)

10. 10-9 Duran

My score: 99-91 Duran. Official scores, all for Duran: 100-90, 100-91 and 98-92.

This version of Duran isn’t far off from the one we will later see vs. Davey Moore or Iran Barkley, honestly. He’s so much sharper than in the Gonzalez fight, where he looked rusty. He works angles, is effective inside and out, does great body work and lands explosive shots to the head. He gets savage a few times trying to turn up the heat and force a stoppage but also just does some gorgeous boxing.

Minchillo is just one tough customer. He is aggressive and throws a lot of punches, although for portion of some rounds he tries to box and just gets eaten alive. He works head and body but just doesn’t have Roberto’s snap, variety or guile and experience.

The main point of drama comes with a nasty cut over Duran’s right eye that occurs in the third round. His corner handles it, but it opens again in the ninth. Minchillo’s left eye is near closed late and the right one is puffy.

Gil Glancy (and some written accounts) note that Duran’s shots just don’t do the same to opponents at junior middle as they did at lighter weights, but Minchillo is an unknown quantity in America at this point — he will later go the distance with Thomas Hearns in another bid for junior middle gold and complete 13 with Mike McCallum before his corner stops it between rounds in a second and final bid for a championship.

No Minchillo is not Four Kings material but he’s a game, rugged and durable fighter (who will later beat Maurice Hope for his biggest career win) who’s not intimidated and brings everything he has for the full 10 rounds. It’s a good test of where Duran is at, and he’s frankly better here not only than he was against Nino, but against Zeferino Gonzalez or some of his other pre-Leonard fights when he was moving up from lightweight. You can see him relish the combat here and it’s fun to see him do his thing.

There’s mention here of another tuneup planned before Duran takes on Wilfred Benitez for junior middleweight gold, but the cut probably prompted a change in that plan. As it happens, we’ll see Roberto back in the ring about four months later vs. Beniitez.

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Here's what I wrote up about it from about a year ago.....

"Roberto Duran W10 Luigi Minchillo

I wanted to see how the genuinely tough Minchillo did against an infighter after watching him battered at arm's length by Hearns.

I have to say, I actually thought he showed more effects from Duran's shots than Hearns'. He was still insanely rugged, but Duran's brutal infighting had him backing off in a way Hearns never managed.

Duran is special in so many ways but chief among them is his uncanny ability to shift and adjust his distance and angles inside. Where most others would fall into clinches and try to paw with short arm punches, Duran knows how to extricate himself and maintain the optimal punching distance, all the while moving and slithering and slipping and rolling, somehow making himself hard to hit while exacting his pound of flesh. He is absolutely unparalleled at this.

99- 91 Duran. I gave the gutty Italian only the first, and then Duran ran the tables."

 

Hatton vs Floyd

Did not score attentively but gave Hatton only the first round and was appalled at how bad Howard Lederman's card was

Hatton was game for about 5 rounds and made the rounds competitive but was not scoring enough punches to win rounds

I think a lot has been made of Joe Cortez's performance but in all honesty I think that is just sour grapes. He let them do plenty of work inside and did his best to keep it a clean fight. Hatton mauls a lot so its a difficult task to referee one of his fights and he got away with murder in some of his home fights.

Gradually Floyd took over the fight and by 6 or 7 had Hatton completely timed and was picking him apart with the right hand and left hook. It was among Floyd's best offensive nights and he wore Hatton down. One of Floyd's more entertaining fights if not a little ugly from the holding

 

Roberto Duran v Nino Gonzalez (Cleveland's 5 point must in effect)

Round 1: 5-4 Nino
Round 2: 5-4 Nino
Round 3: 5-4 Duran
Round 4: 5-4 Duran
Round 5: 5-4 Duran
Round 6: 5-4 Duran
Round 7: 5-4 Duran
Round 8: 5-4 Nino
Round 9: 5-5 Even
Round 10: 5-5 Even

Total: 47-45 Duran (actual scores: 48-45, 48-44 and 47-43 all for Duran)

Man, what a tough comeback fight. Clearly they didn't know what kind of a fight this kid would put up, but he fought his arse off. Some very close rounds but Duran's extra thump in his shots carried it for me. Good fight.

 

My take from early 2022:

Roberto Duran: The Lost Years

Chapter One

Duran vs. Nino Gonzalez, scheduled for 10 rounds at Public Hall in Cleveland, Ohio, on Aug. 9, 1981.

I thought I'd undertake a little project to look at the period of Duran's career between his 'No Mas' loss to Ray Leonard in November of 1980 and his victory over Davey Moore in mid-1983 that revived his career and made him a championship fighter again.

It starts here, his first fight some nine months after he quit against Leonard.

Duran is 72-2 (55) and weighs 155 pounds (nine more than he did for Leonard II). The Panamanian is 30 years old.

Gonzalez is 24-1 (13) and weighs 152 pounds. The 22-year-old Puerto Rican is from Bayonne, NJ. He has avenged his lone loss, to NABF junior middleweight champion Steve Delgado, and is ranked No. 10 by the WBC. He sparred a few rounds with Duran before the first Duran-Leonard fight. His greatest claim to fame is winning the New Jersey state welterweight title.

Duran, according to his new trainer, Panama Lewis, has lost 30 pounds in three months. The fight was made a month earlier, although Duran had been in training after ballooning up to 185-ish.

CBS televises the bout, which is fought in front of a crowd of 8,328.

Cleveland uses the 5-point must system, so that's how I'll score it.

Round 1. Gonzalez 5-4: Duran looks rusty, Nino is busier and lands a couple more clean shots.

Round 2. Gonzalez 5-4: Again, more clean shots.

Round 3. Duran 5-4: Roberto lets his hands go, does some good body work and mixes in a few power shots to the end. Duran is cut by his left eye by round's end, but it doesn't become a factor.

Round 4. Duran 5-4: Sold three minutes of work by Duran, who works over Nino's body and gets through with a few solid rights.

Round 5. Duran 5-4: Roberto bullies his foe along the ropes and is more aggressive.

Round 6. Duran 5-4: More mauling along the ropes and more body work.

Round 7. Duran 5-4: More of the same but Nino tries to pick it up.

Round 8. Duran 5-4: Nino further accelerates but Duran's three minutes of work beats Gonzalez's work in spurts.

Round 9. Gonzalez 5-4: Nino opens up and unloads with everything he has, getting through with some very solid shots throughout the round.

Round 10. Duran 5-4: Toe to toe action for the full round. Roberto closes stronger to edge it.

My score: Duran 47-43. Official scores: 48-44, 48-45, 47-43, all for Duran for a unanimous decision. The New York Times scored it 46-45.

This is hardly vintage Duran, but it's his first step back. He shows flashes of brilliance but mostly gets by on guile and experience as he's clearly not in tip-top shape.

Duran says after he wants a rematch with SRL (not realizing, apparently, how much quitting hurt his image and killed demand for a third fight). His manager, Carlos Eleta, says Roberto will have one more tune-up and then challenge Wilfred Benitez for the WBC crown at 154.

 

Lederman also had Jesus Chavez ahead vs Floyd Mayweather another baffling scorecard.

 

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Round one 10-8 Norris, Gonzalez down
Round two 10-9 Norris
Round three 10-9 Norris
Round four 10-9 Norris
Round five 10-8 Norris Gonzalez down
Round six 10-9 Norris
Round seven 10-9 Norris
Round eight 10-9 Norris
Round nine Norris wins by tko...

Gonzalez a true Mexican (American) warrior he could take a punch!

 

I read the Jesus Chavez bio Standing 8 Count and the author was trying to assert that claim too.

I guess there are also the scores of morons saying Pacquiao won

 

Oh ****, never mind. I DID have it close. Guess Sanchez sucked.

 

I remember watching this fight.Cowdell put in a very good performance