the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Alexis Arguello v Bazooka Limon (jr. lightweight title) (NY rounds scoring system)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Arguello
Round 3: Arguello
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Limon
Round 6: Arguello
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Arguello
Round 9: Arguello
Round 10: Arguello
Round 11: Referee stops contest with Limon bleeding profusely from the right eye

Total: 6-1-3 Arguello (actual scores: 6-2-2, 7-1-2 and 7-2-1 all for Arguello)

Haven't seen this fight since '79. Loved it then and loved it now. Bazooka was always so awkward but when he was prime - as he was here - his bombs really made one forget that his feet were wrong, he was always off-balance and he had no real jab. But man, could he hit and could he take a punch. The cuts were unfortunate with the heads, but an orthodox and southpaw style never meshed and there was always going to be head clashes. And of course, once Arguello saw blood, those razor jabs and lead rights were going to widen the cuts. It was amazing - as I didn't remember it - to see Arguello nail Limon when he was complaining to the ref. AA was always such a gentleman in the ring it really seemed out of the ordinary. But in the heat of battle, anything can happen. Great seeing these two in action again.

 

Seems like AA was involved in a lot of fights where his opponents were cut by head butts, yet never gets criticized for it the way Holyfield is.

 

James Toney vs Vasiliy Jirov​

Rounds Won/Even
Toney - 3,4,6,10,11,12
Jirov - 2,5,9
Even - 1,7,8

Notes
- A point is deducted from Jirov in the 8th round for a low blow. I would have given Jirov the round if not for the point deduction.
- Toney drops Jirov with less than 20 secs left in the 12th, but Jirov makes it to the final bell.
- Toney is the winner via Unanimous Decision.

Scorecard
(T)116 - 112(J)
Winner: Toney via UD​

Review​

A great, thoroughly action-packed fight from beginning to end with no lulls in action. FOTY for that year and argubly the greatest Cruiserweight fight in history. Jirov started fast in the first 2 rounds, taking the fight to Toney using his jab well, moving his feet & throwing punches from all angles. Toney began to slow things down in the 3rd after the unintentional low blow from Jirov with sharp counter-punching. As the fight went on, while Jirov made Toney work a lot & was very active, Toney's defense, counterpunching & experience was the difference maker that ultimately led him to victory.

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I really enjoyed this fight and agree with a lot of what you noted. I posted my scoring on this thread last year. Those scores are below. By the way, I believe your scoring would actually be 116-112. (five 10-9s and a 10-8 for Toney. Three 10-9s for Jirov. Two 10-10 rounds and a 9-9 8th round where Jirov won 10-9 and was deducted a point.)

Round 1 - 10-9 Jirov
Round 2 - 10-9 Jirov
Round 3 - 10-9 Toney
Round 4 - 10-9 Jirov
Round 5 - 10-9 Jirov
Round 6 - 10-9 Toney
Round 7 - 10-9 Toney
Round 8 - 10-9 Jirov Jirov also had a point deducted for a low blow
Round 9 - 10-9 Jirov
Round 10 - 10-9 Toney
Round 11 - 10-9 Toney
Round 12 - 10-8 Toney

My score 114-112 Toney. Actual scores 117-109 twice and 116-110 all for Toney

 

Yeah it was a great fight. You are right sir I got my scorecard wrong. Thanks.

 

I suspect but can never prove that Don King or Bob Arum got to you and had you change your scoring.

 

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Great fight.

I had Kenty 145-139.

Kenty pretty much dominated rounds 1 to 11, but then, helped by a cramp to Kenty's leg (which I now realize is part of why he lost to Roberto Elizondo later) Fernandez came on and almost turned it around, I scored a 13th round Kenty fall as a knockdown as it should have because a punch did land before he went down.

Overall, a good watch!

 

Antonio, have you seen Vilomar against Howard Davis? I think you'll enjoy it and be ready for a close fight.

 

I saw it in preparation for the article on Fernandez I wrote at Wikipedia, but didnt score it. I thought it looked controversial tbh.

 

It’s a very entertaining fight. Nice match of styles.

 

Larry Holmes vs Gerry Cooney


1 Holmes
2 Holmes 10-8 knockdown
3 Cooney
4 Cooney
5 Cooney
6 Holmes
7 Cooney
8 Cooney
9 I thought Cooney won this round but he had 2 points deducted so is it 9-8 Cooney ?
10 Holmes Close round best round of the fight
11 Holmes 10-8 point deducted for Cooney
12 Holmes
13 Holmes wins by TKO

114-110 Holmes

So i just went back and scored this fight this is only my 2nd time watching this fight in full, and i have to say i really don't know what people are on about when they say "Cooney got dominated" "Cooney got exposed" this was a very competitive fight for 10 rounds until Cooney started to wear out in the later rounds.

Yes Larry Holmes had the bigger rounds in the fight where he actually floored Cooney and wobbled him, but Cooney himself was fighting very well between rounds 3-10. He was able to land fairly consistently to Holmes's body, land his own jab occasionally, and even got some right hands in which he wasn't known for although not with anywhere near the same power as his left hook.

If i was born during this era and was watching this fight live i really wouldn't know what was going to happen for 10 rounds this was anybody's fight. To me Cooney gave it everything he had in that 10th round probably worried that he fell behind because of point deductions, but at that point in the fight this is where Holmes separated himself from Cooney and showed why he was the best of his era because he always seemed to have that bit extra in tough fights.

Overall i was actually impressed with Cooney in this fight, and also impressed with how Holmes took those body shots without showing any wear and tear. On a unrelated note seeing how many body shots Holmes took can you imagine Usyk taking that type of punishment from Cooney ? because i don't.

 

D, very little difference in our cards. We were clearly watching the same fight. No one got exposed or schooled. This was a tough fight. Here's what I wrote:

Larry Holmes v Gerry Cooney

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-8 Holmes (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Cooney
Round 4: 10-9 Cooney
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Holmes
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Cooney
Round 9: 9-8 Holmes (I scored this round for Cooney but he lost a point for a low blow and another point for I don't know what)
Round 10: 10-9 Cooney
Round 11: 10-8 Holmes (Cooney lost an additional point for another low-blow)
Round 12: 10-9 Holmes
Round 13: Holmes stops Cooney late in the round

Total (through 12 completed rounds): 115-111 Holmes

Official scores were something like 113-111 (twice) and 115-109 all for Holmes. I didn't think Cooney did too bad but really started to come apart at the seams over those last couple of rounds.

 

My take from 2021:

Larry Holmes (c) vs. Gerry Cooney on June 11, 1982, at Caesars Palace Outdoor Arena in Los Vegas, Nevada.

Holmes (39-0, 29 KOs) comes in at a trim and ready 212 1/2 pounds. He is 32 years old.

Cooney (25-0, 21 KOs) is 225 1/2 and ranked No. 1 by the WBC and the WBA. Cooney is 25.

The bout is contested in 90 degree ringside heat and it is estimated at perhaps 100 inside the ropes under the TV lights. A crowd of 29,284 gathers to witness this highly-anticipated showdown.

Cooney comes to the ring to the theme song from Rocky. Holmes chooses “Ain’t No Stopping Us Now.” Oddly, the champion Holmes is introduced first.

Round 1: Holmes 10-9 — He edges it with his jab and a late flurry off the ropes. Cooney lands a couple nice body shots.

Round 2: Holmes 10-8 — Larry scores a knockdown with a right hand with about 40 seconds to go.

Round 3: Cooney 10-9 — He gets back in it with a good jab and more body work.

Round 4: Cooney 10-9 — Wins most exchanges and throws some good right hands.

Round 5: Holmes 10-9 — Finds a home for his right hand several times.

Round 6: Holmes 10-9 — He rocks Cooney and does major damage with his right hand late in the round. Also opens up a cut over Cooney’s left eye.

Round 7: Cooney 10-9 — Busier.

Round 8: Holmes 10-9 — Best exchanges of he fight so far, with Larry’s jab and those laser-like rights edging it.

Round 9: Holmes 10-8 — I had it even, with Cooney docked two points for low blows (he had been warned repeatedly). Cooney’s eye starts bleeding significantly.

Round 10: Cooney 10-9 — Close round, best of the fight with some heated exchanges where both men land clean shots.

Round 11: Holmes 10-8 — Larry takes it with that jab and 2-3 big, sniper-like right hands. Cooney penalized another point for low blows.

Round 12: Holmes 10-9 — Jabs and chopping rights, Cooney fading before our eyes, no snap left on his punches.

Round 13: Holmes scores a knockdown late after chopping Gerry down and backing him up with right hands, forcing th disuse. Cooney slumps along the ropes and holds himself partially up by draping one arm over he ropes (though his glove touches the canvas). Victor Valle enters the ring and calls it off at the 2:52 mark of the round.

While Valle entering the ring is supposed to trigger a DQ, the fight is recorded as a technical knockout for Holmes.

Official scores at the time of stoppage: 115-109, 113-11 and 113-111 all for Holmes. The latter two are too close for my taste but there are rounds where Gerry lands more volume and forced the action but Holmes lands better, sharper shots but is more economical. I don’t think it was corrupt, just a difference of opinion in what’s valued by the judges.

My score: 116-109 for Holmes.

 

Another Holmes-Cooney card to add to the pile.

Larry Holmes v Gerry Cooney

Top notch heavyweight contest - Cooney did well considering he was hurt early and on more than one occasion too.

Shocking level of disrespect shown towards Holmes by the fans and the promoters too - having him announced before Cooney? Disgusting.

Holmes showed his greatness though and Cooney was only ever really keeping in touch with Holmes and the low blows didn't help his cause. The 10th was a great round though with both of them throwing caution to the wind.

1 10-9 (Holmes controlling distance with the jab)
2 10-8 (Cooney down from a nice Holmes 1-2)
3 9-10 (better from Cooney)
4 9-10
5 10-9
6 10-9 (Cooney edging the round before Holmes puts him in big trouble)
7 9-10 (Cooney probably just about sneaked the round as Larry was confident knowing he had Cooney hurt and could take his time)
8 10-9
9 9-8 (close - 2 point deduction for Cooney for low blow?)
10 9-10 (fantastic round - best of the fight)
11 10-9 (another point deduction against Cooney)
12 10-9
(115-111)
13 Holmes TKO Cooney

 

I feel left out. I better score this thing.