the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I remember this one. Wasn’t common to get a showcase for Bazooka on a weekend afternoon on TV so it was exciting to me when they announced it. I think it may have been the same card where Thomas Hearns fought a guy named Fighting Jim from some Caribbean island for a quick KO.

Does anyone known if the entire fight of Gomez-Mendoza exists?

 

Two in the ninth (low blow and the other isn’t clear what the call was but maybe another) and one in the 11th.

 

Oh yeah, just rewatched the 11th. Sure enough. Not sure how I missed that. We'll yes I do, I got up at three......

 

Juan LaPorte v Mario Miranda (vacant featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 2: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 3: 10-9 Miranda
Round 4: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Miranda
Round 7: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 8: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 9: 10-9 LaPorte
Round 10: 10-8 LaPorte (scores a knockdown)
Miranda is retired between rounds

Total through 10 completed rounds: 98-92 LaPorte (actual scores: 97-92, 97-91 and 98-90 all for LaPorte)

A decent enough featherweight contest. Miranda was a real hotshot at the time that the boxing mags were making a big deal about and they were all predicting big things for him only for him to go bust. He had a real Carlos Monzon-like build and liked going to the body, but he was always wide open for a counter. something that LaPorte took advantage of. I was never big on LaPorte who always reminded me of a 126 lb. Joe Bugner. And by that I mean you had to set a fire under his stool to get him going. He performed well here but still went into his lulls. I remember that the stoppage was in the 10th, but after the bell rang ending the round, despite the fact that Juan dropped Miranda that round, I questioned my memory, thinking that maybe it was the 11th. But no, it was the 10th as Miranda's corner surrendered between rounds. I gotta tell you, that surprised me. He got up from his knockdown and bounced around, jabbed, ducked and looked as fresh going back to his corner as he did in the 1st. He had regrouped. So who pulled the plug? Did he raise the white flag? Did his corner see something we didn't. Man, I've seen worse carrying on, so this retirement surprised me.

 

Never scored these fights properly but I always thought Toney edged both encounters, I feel like Toney was unlucky not to get something out of atleast 1 of these fights. Theres no way he should've been 0-2 IMO.

Griffin is underrated though 2 competitive fights with a good version of Toney and the only fighter to really have a close fight with a prime RJJ.

 

Agree about Miranda. It was this fight, along with the Castillo fight, where Ruben had no legs for the last couple rounds, that showed me what a poor finisher Laporte was. Good fighter, solid skills and an ATG chin, but he just had no second gear.

 

I'd love to see it if it's out there, the Mendoza fight. Haven't found it.

 

Tim Bradley W12 Manny Pacquiao (1)

I had never seen this one, and heard it was a debatable decision. I agree. You could debate the hell out of this thing for a long time and it would still boil down to a matter of a round here or a round there making all the difference.

It wasn't even a styles preference thing. Oddly, they had more or less the same style in this fight, which made for a bout that was often hard to dissect and certainly difficult to score.

Almost all the rounds were very close. Both seemed intent early on to counter the other, though the first half of the fight featured the swifter momentum changes and action. Both decelerated late, especially Pacquiao, and on my card at least it cost him as he seemed to understand the outside limits of his own physical abilities by the time he got to 147 and focused on flurrying in short bursts where he could, presumably in an effort to steal rounds.

Bradley's jab was a potent weapon in that it kept Pac from doing what he does best, which is to come forward with a sudden blizzard of punches while changing angles. Tim only used it sporadically, but when he did it made all the difference, as a good jab typically will. Pacquiao's offense has always puzzled me; it looks so basic at first. He jumps forward and pumps his fists straight out, not much of a hook really, but his fists move like a "Rock-Em-Sock-Em Robot" toy all the time all the while moving here and there around his opponent so they can't return fire immediately while creating openings for himself. It's the angles and his speed and obvious power that keep him ahead of the curve, as in terms of delivering punches he isn't doing anything terribly scientific. Whatever the case may be, he certainly made a career out of doing it that way.

I could see a card for Pacquiao, I could. I wouldn't argue that as so many rounds came down to a few seconds here and there where one seemed to eke a little something extra out of it and come away with the extra point. It was that kind of fight.

1. Even
2. Bradley
3. Pac
4. Pac
5. Pac
6. Bradley
7. Bradley
8. Even
9. Pac
10. Bradley
11. Bradley
12. Bradley

116-114 Bradley.

 

Saw this live back in the day, but thanks to @NoNeck for putting it back on my radar. Get your calculators out for this one.

Miguel Cotto v Ricardo Torres (jr. welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Cotto (Cotto scores a knockdown but Torres hurts Cotto - I felt 10-9 was proper)
Round 2: 10-8 Torres (Torres scores a knockdown but it is actually a throwdown - I did call 10-8 since it was official and Torres did win the round)
Round 3: 10-9 Cotto
Round 4: 10-8 Cotto (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Torres
Round 6: 10-8 Cotto (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: Cotto drops Torres who is counted out

Total through 6 completed rounds: 57-54 Cotto (actual scores: 57-53, 57-53 and 56-53 all for Cotto)

Man, quite the little slugfest. I can't say much more on this other than have a gander and watch out for flying leather.

 

I love this fight. First time I saw Cotto was this effort. Quite an introduction.

 

Marvin JOhnson W10 Prince Charles Williams

Not a lot to say about the fight itself, except the juxtaposition of the older, rugged sage against the up and oming neophyte who shows skills and a lot of moxie, but is simply overwhelmed by the more aggressive, unorthodox veteran. Williams sports an excellent right hand but underutilizes his uppercut, a weapon that would feature heavily in his future. Williams is perhaps a bit rushed here, but suffers from three drawbacks:

1. Johnson is very experienced and attacks awkwardly, utilizing unorthodox weapons in unorthodox ways. It takes a bit for even more experiened hands to figure him out and begin to break him down, and this is only a ten-rounder.

2. The ring is about four feet square, giving him no room to move whatsoever.

3. He is facing a coked-up hyena.

Actually, as apparently noted in pre-fight interviews per Al Bernstein, who called the fight for ESPN, Johnson admonished doubters in an interview before the fight who said he utilized no gameplan and showed no real skill in his bouts. True enough, he pries his opponent open here in meaures, raking him with uppercuts, crosses, whacking to the head and body, then body and head, and generally smothering his foe with punches and aggression. Williams tries to counter, but he's firing punches as he can when he can, and doing it in conventionl fashion. He sports neither the pure chilling power of Michael Spinks nor the strength and resolve of Saad Muhammad, so must instead be content to fire almost desperation punches to try to keep Johnson off as best he can. Not the best way to win against a whirling dervish.

Not much to tell as to scorecard, except the mini-drama of Marvin being genuinely rocked in the final round, winning Charles (or Charlie, as he was called all fight long by the announcing team). I gave Williams the second and tenth only with Johnson taking all the others.

Decent fight, if a tad one-sided. Williams took a pounding but obviously got an education.

1. Johnson
2. Williams
3. Johnosn
4. Johnson
5. Johnson
6. Johnson
7. Johnson
8. Johnosn
9. Johnson
10. Williams

98-92 Johnson.

 

Marvin had the look of grizzled veteran by the time he was in his mid-20s, haha, with that hairline and a nickname like “Pops.”

In fact, he’s a spry 30 in this fight.

Now the man had been in with the best of the best depth in any division outside of 1970s heavyweights (imo) and had his battle scars and medals, but he still had a lot left as we got to see.

 

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Round one 10-9 Conteh
Round two 10-9 Conteh
Round three 10-9 Finnegan
Round four 10-9 Conteh
Round five 10-9 Conteh, Finno the victim of a horrible headbutt towards the end

This fight was a good toss up between a world champion boxer and a world class former world title challenger, which unfortunately downgraded into a world class foul fest. Given the circumstances, the fight should have gone to the scorecards and been a technical decision instead but you wont be disappointed it was a fine contest...but with a lot of sad fouls.

 

Antonio, I haven't seen this fight but I did score their first fight. This is what I wrote:

John Conteh v Chris Finnegan I (for Finnegan's British and Commonwealth titles and Conteh's European title)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Conteh
Round 3: Conteh
Round 4: Finnegan
Round 5: Conteh
Round 6: Conteh
Round 7: Conteh
Round 8: Conteh
Round 9: Finnegan
Round 10: Conteh
Round 11: Conteh
Round 12: Conteh
Round 13: Conteh
Round 14: Conteh
Round 15: Finnegan

Total: 11-3-1 in rounds but using the British scoring in effect at the time I had it 74 1/4 - 72 1/4 for Conteh. Referee Sid Nathan, the sole arbiter, had it 74 1/4 - 73 1/2 for Conteh. So if I am correct in what I am looking at, Nathan must have had about 6 even rounds.

Conteh just was not going to be denied. And as plucky as Chris was he just lacked the kind of punch that was going to deter Conteh. I will say this, he fought his heart out to win that last round. Two outstanding fighters in a tough era.