the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was in a real mood to see a slam-bang affair and I actually alighted on two that I watched but never scored. To tell you the truth, these two fights, just put down the pencils and enjoy.

    Israel Vasquez v Rafael Marquez I (super bantamweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 2: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 3: 10-8 Vasquez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 5: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Marquez
    Vasquez is retired between rounds with a broken nose

    Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-65 Marquez (actual scores: 67-65 and another 67-65 both for Marquez and a 66-66 Even with Marquez leading)

    Rafael Marquez v Israel Vasquez II (super bantamweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 2: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 3: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 4: 10-9 Marquez
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: Vasquez drops and stops Marquez

    Total through 5 completed rounds: 48-48 Even (actual scores: all three judges had it 48-47 for Vasquez

    Man, this was sublime mayhem. Something Zale and Graziano would be proud of. I don't think these two could ever not be exciting when matched with each other. Unbelievable!

     
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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Had the second fight managed to last a few more rounds I think it would have been the undisputed best of the trilogy (yeah, there’s the fourth fight but nobody’s counting that).

    As it is, it might still be the best but the drama of the third fight and Vasquez pulling out the points win with the final seconds knockdown probably edges it for most people.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    John Tate v Gerrie Coetzee (vacant heavyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Coetzee
    Round 2: 10-9 Coetzee
    Round 3: 10-9 Coetzee
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Tate
    Round 7: 10-9 Coetzee
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Tate
    Round 10: 10-9 Tate
    Round 11: 10-9 Tate
    Round 12: 10-9 Tate
    Round 13: 10-9 Tate
    Round 14: 10-9 Tate
    Round 15: 10-9 Tate

    Total: 146-142 Tate (actual scores: 147-144, 148-145 and 147-142 all for Tate)

    Haven't seen this since it was live. Not an exciting fight by any means. More of a workmanlike performance put on by both. Good scores by all. Nothing outlandish which also reflected the fight.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao D12 Juan Manuel Marquez (1)

    I posted on a thread earlier about how I'd never seen any fights from this famous rivalry, and decided it was time to right that wrong. Here we go......

    First, having seen both before to a decent extent, there were no revelations except one; Marquez isn't just a sound technician and sublime counterpuncher; he's got grit to burn and is incredibly hard to take out of his game. The kind of focus and will on display after having his beak busted and dribbled off the canvas like a basketball in the first round was quite a sight. Major kudos to him.

    I could see this one going either way, really. It takes a LOT of rounds to compensate for the kind of first round Marquez had, so even if it's just a case of a round here and there for Pac the rest of the way, the Filipino is still very much in the hunt for a decision, even if the tide goes against him from round two on.

    Marquez fights his way back with counters that give Pacquiao pause, perhaps the best weapon being the lead overhand right that stuns Pac badly in round six. But the jab and uppercuts to the midsection keep Pacquiao wary after about the third round, when he begins to piece together that he's being outstyled and has no real answer other than to try to ambush Marquez when and where he can. The chances are few, and Pac pays for every advance however small. The lead begins to evaporate as the rounds mount.

    I did give Pacquiao two of the last three, making this razor thin on the cards and giving him the decision. I have no problem with the verdict, though 115-110 scorecards from two of the judges were out of line. This fight was a lot closer than that.

    1. Pac (10-6, 3 knockdowns)
    2. Even
    3. Marquez
    4. Marquez
    5. Marquez
    6. Marquez
    7. Marquez
    8. Pac
    9. Marquez
    10. Pac
    11. Even
    12. Pac

    114-113 Pac
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, I guess Tate outlandished Gerrie in the punch count.

    (I’ll show myself out.)
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, no, no, no. You don’t get off that easy for that quip. As punishment I prescribe watching (enduring) the first fight between Jeff Chandler and Eijiro Murata. I suppose I’m being a bit harsh, though.
     
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  7. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ow!
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh the humanity!
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know, I’ll hate myself in the morning. So I guess I’ll sleep til the afternoon.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Greg Page v Trevor Berbick

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 3: 10-9 Page
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 6: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 7: 10-9 Page
    Round 8: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 9: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 10: 10-9 Berbick

    Total: 98-94 Berbick (actual scores: 98-92, 98-92 and 96-94 all for Berbick)

    I remember watching this back in the day and having that feel that Page was going to turn it on down the stretch, yet never happened. I don't know if a rematch would have yielded a different result, but I was surprised it didn't happen. Regarding how this fight went down, IMO, was that Page had a real over-confidence about him and just couldn't fight the fight he should have been fighting. Every time he exchanged with the very strong Berbick, he came out second best, which left an outside, middle-of-the-ring plan B to enact, but not seeming to want to do this. And he paid for it. Even when he did box from the outside, he had only minimum success because Berbick had taken his foot off the gas before revving up the engine again. But that allure of exchanging with Berbick was always there and Berbick ran away with it. I enjoyed it for the sharp exchanges and glad to see the right guy got it. In other words that the judges didn't just go with the 'star'.
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ricardo Lopez v Hideyuki Ohashi (Strawweight title)

    I was in the mood for a little Ricardo Lopez today and saw this fight was out there. And I was out there, so the twane had to meet. I loved the bout, but really, it's like a highlight reel on Finito. Man, he delivered such a beautiful array of combos off the jab that i was nearly applauding. He beat his hapless opponent - who could only muster one punch at a time - throughout, winning every round on my card, dropping him in the 4th and twice in the 5th before it was stopped. I had it 40-35 through 4 completed rounds. The judges had it 40-35, 40-35 and a 39-36 (???) all for Lopez.

    Now, here's me on my soapbox. It was clear to me that Ohashi was a novice who needed immense seasoning before taking on someone like Lopez. I knew the name but just didn't remember much about him so I looked him up. My God! He was the defending champion. I almost spit my morning coffee out. At 14-3 going into this fight I thought how was he the champ. A perusal of his record showed that he had already had 3 title shots at this time. WTF!!! At 5-1 he was stopped in 5 by Jung Koo Chang for the Jr. flyweight title. But wait. At 8-2 he got a rematch and was stopped in 8 by Chang. Then, after 4 wins over clubfighters with a record of 12-3 he moves down and wins the Strawweight title over another Asian, successfully defends it against another Asian before meeting his Waterloo at the hands of Lopez. But inept (maybe a strong word. Let's just say inexperienced) as he was, he jumped to the WBA champ and won another title before losing it and retiring after 24 fights with a record of 19-5. Now many will say that it was a success, but I say he never had a chance to develop. The Japanese may have the money to get these guys title shots - and let's face it, from Strawweight to Super flyweight is only 10 pounds and there are 16 "world" champions to get title shots off of. Man, this is like candy land for the Japanese promoters. But they are pilfering relative novices who may have a long career by shoving them into a title fight that they're not ready for. I also recall watching a kid named Hideyaki Kamishiro, who was a nice boxer rushed into a title fight with Sot Chitalda after only 7 fights. Of course he was stopped and promptly retired. They're really not doing they're fighters a favor in the long term. And seriously, without the creation of all these titles, how many of them would ever break into a proper top 10 in a flyweight class berift of politics and under the table deals?
     
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  12. Showstopper97

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    Canelo Alvarez vs Miguel Cotto

    Rounds Won/Even
    Alvarez - 2,3,5,6,8,11,12
    Cotto - 1,7,9,10
    Even - 4

    Notes
    - There were a lot of close rounds between 2-5. I scored the 4th even as it was the toughest round to score.
    - I scored it 7-4-1 for Canelo.


    Scorecard
    (A)116 - 113(C)
    Winner: Alvarez via UD


    Review
    A good tactical bout with good spurts of action. Cotto played the boxer - using his jab a lot, displayed good footwork & landed some nice combos to the body & head when he would move in and out. Canelo was the aggressor, coming forward and playing the front-foot counterpuncher. This is the fight where Canelo's front-foot game really improved compared to his fights with Mayweather & Lara. He learnt how to iniate action instead of relying on his opponent coming at him. He beat Cotto to the punch more times than not, landed the harder shots & controlled most of the action in the bout. Cotto put on a fine performance & a strong effort, but came up short in getting the victory. This should have been Cotto's final bow as a fighter, as it was a good fight to hang up the gloves in his career on.
     
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  13. AntonioMartin1

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    Haven;t had time to watch fights. Ive been busy taking modeling photos for the page I work at,

    Yesterday I spent a n hour showering, two hours at make-up and then two more hours putting on dresses and taking them off, plus time gossiping with everyone, taking breaks and eating food.

    And today there will be more of the same.

    This entire experience modeling at a porn page has given me an entirely deepened appreciation and admiration for women. Its hard being one even when you are not a real one. We spend two hours at make-up. And then you get comments that go from nice and complimenting, to bizarre and threatening. LOl....

    Anyways no I havent seen anything in a couple f days. I had been looking for a Julian Solis fight a week ago but could not. At his best, he combined power with speed nicely , but he could also be a bit boring sometimes. His ko ratio at 22 wins by ko out of 41, wasnt the highest either. I met him and his brother Rafi once when I was 12. They lived near my house, and I wanted their autograph. It was a great day which ended in me going to the hospital unfortunately, because I started experiencing whiplash on my neck from an amateur fight I'd had 3 days before lol. But I did get their autograph and photos with them!
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Felix Machado v Luis Perez (super flyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Machado
    Round 2: 10-9 Perez
    Round 3: 10-9 Machado
    Round 4: 10-9 Perez
    Round 5: 9-9 Even (Machado's round but docked a point for repeated low blows)
    Round 6: 10-9 Machado
    Round 7: 10-9 Perez
    Round 8: 10-9 Machado
    Round 9: 10-9 Perez
    Round 10: 10-9 Perez
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: 10-9 Machado

    Total: 114-114 Draw (actual scores: 117-110 Machado, 115-112 Perez and a 114-113 for Perez by split decision)

    After recently watching Machado against Julio Gamboa I wanted to see another bout of his because he seemed to be a lively fighter. And this is what this fight was in spurts. Nothing spine-tingling because it did get sloppy towards the end, but enough back and forth to occupy an hour.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Emile Griffith v Willie Toweel (NY rounds scoring basis)

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Griffith
    Round 3: Griffith
    Round 4: Griffith (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: Griffith
    Round 6: Griffith
    Round 7: Griffith (scores a knockdown)
    Round 8: Griffith (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Toweel is retired between rounds

    Total through 8 completed rounds: 7-0-1 Griffith (actual scores: 6-1-1, 6-1-1 and 6-2 all for Griffith)

    I've never been overly enamored by the Griffith style, but it is clear - as in this bout - that he had an exciting style prior to the 3rd bout with Paret. This bout took place before his first shot at the title and I really enjoyed it. Toweel was interesting in the fact that he turned pro as a bantamweight and had actually fought a draw for the bantamweight title. Then moved up slowly to 135 where he seemed to hit his stride, beating such fighters as Jimmy Carter, Orlando Zulueta, Dave Charnley and Len Matthews along the way. But at welterweight he was out of his depth. He was plucky to the end, but one could see Griffith was coasting through the first 6 rounds. Once he went into his next gear in the 7th - which was quite obvious I might add - it was only a matter of time. His body-punching nearly caved in Toweel in the 8th and they rightly stopped the bout after the 8th.