the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Oscar Albarado v Koichi Wajima II (jr. middleweight title - 5-point must in effect)

Round 1: 5-4 Wajima
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Wajima
Round 4: 5-4 Albarado
Round 5: 5-4 Albarado
Round 6: 5-4 Albarado
Round 7: 5-5 Even
Round 8: 5-4 Wajima
Round 9: 5-4 Wajima
Round 10: 5-4 Wajima
Round 11: 5-4 Albarado
Round 12: 5-4 Albarado
Round 13: 5-4 Wajima
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Albarado

Total: 69-69 Draw (actual scores 70-69, 69-67, 75-68 all for Wajima)

This was a bit different from their first match. In this bout Wajima was landing sharp, jolting punches throughout while Albarado did a great imitation of Gene Fullmer and punched anything on Wajima's person that he could. Some great back and forth exchanges here and I really feel a Draw would have been the best decision. The 2 American judges had similar scores to mine, but of course it was the Japanese judge that had an out-of-line score of 75-68. Which translates to 7-0-8 in rounds for Wajima. Just ridiculous. If watching it, be forewarned. The Japanese scream at everything Wajima throws, so don't be swayed.

 

Curious to see how you score #3, I really felt Marquez got hosed

 

Duane Bobick v Fred 'Young Sanford' Houpe (Nevada's 5-point must system)

Round 1: 5-4 Sanford
Round 2: 5-4 Sanford
Round 3: 5-4 Sanford
Round 4: 5-4 Bobick
Round 5: 5-4 Bobick
Round 6: 5-4 Bobick
Round 7: 5-4 Bobick
Round 8: 5-4 Bobick
Round 9: 5-4 Bobick
Round 10: 5-4 Bobick

Total: 47-43 Bobick (actual scores: 47-45, 47-45 and 46-44 all for Bobick)

Sanford acquitted himself well in this battle of undefeateds. He scored throughout with sharp blows, whereas Bobick lacked sharpness and was a very ponderous heavyweight. But the slow-starting Bobick was trained well by the Frazier camp on working the body, which I feel really ground down Sanford. That and Fred's closed left eye. Still, nothing scintillating but a decent heavyweight bout where they both threw everything remaining in the tank in the last round. Amusingly, Ken Norton was color-commentating at ringside and he must've been salivating at the thoughts of fighting Bobick. A bout that was not signed, but whom he met a couple of months later. Almost laughably, the commentator he shared ringside with said, "Hey Ken, how do you think one of your overhand rights would do against this guy?" I thought to myself, 'Oh, man, if you only knew.'

 

boxing is not time based. its punch based. pac landed the much better punches in almost every round. pac was the one who actually took a lot of steam off of bradleys punches because he has a high guard defense while pacs shots landed flush on bradley since he doenst use his gloves to block much, he tries to slip the shots but when that doesnt work he gets hit cleanly. dont see how a punch that is partially taken on the gloves is better than a high impact shot with no resistance from the gloves of your opponent. bradleys head was being visibly moved by pacs punches, moving pacs gloves by hitting them doesnt impress me much since bradley is fighting pac not his gloves.

 

Bradly was moving his head before contact was made in a lot of cases; so a lot of the shots that you might think were getting through cleanly weren't making nearly as much contact. And a lot of Bradley's shots were going around the relatively static guard of Pac, both to the body and to the head.

Again, Pac let Bradley outwork him for extended stretches and while Pac's work was flashier, he just wasn't consistent enough in that fight to fully seal the deal and as a result made it a far closer affair than it really needed to be.

 

I don’t have a dog in this one because I’ve never scored the fight (and don’t intend to, seems like there are a lot better bouts for me to visit), but this exchange brings up something that falls into my way of viewing/scoring a fight.

If Fighter A throws five punches, three of which are blocked or missed and the other two don’t land solidly but do land, and Fighter B throws nothing back … I’ve got to give the exchange to Fighter A. I guess there’s an argument to be made that you can give Fighter B the edge there for defense, and I’d give it to him in this case if he then threw and landed one solid counter, but not if he just holds his gloves up. I think guys like Winky Wright and Marlon Starling sometimes suffered in scoring based on this.

Likewise, if one fighter outworks the other in a round and lands way more, even if many of them aren’t clean, he takes the round. If the other fighter loses three rounds like this and wins the fourth cleanly but no knockdown or major damage … if that’s the pattern, the guy doing the work is going to rightfully win.

 

I watched that live on the old USA network Tuesday Night Fights series, which were free and available every week, and thinking to myself at the time that the series really was a godsend becasue while you might have a lot of bad main events (they loved to feature their "house" fighters, which at the time amounted to a comebacking Larry Holmes or Roberto Duran as a forty-something supermiddle), you would occasionally end up with a fight like Johnson-Parks or Kevin Kelley - Troy Dorsey. So you always had to tune in just in case.

 

Liston’s two bouts with Williams. Exciting affairs while they lasted. Williams came to fight, both outings.

 

While we did have the ‘retirement tour’ guys (Foreman also fought on those USA Network cards earlier in his comeback before he elevated to HBO and PPV), we also got to watch Oba Carr grow up before our very eyes and those wonderful Blue Horizon shows where it seemed like every main event was a pick-em.

Also gave a ton of exposure to guys who were on their way up and not just the oldsters treading water — Roy Jr, de la Hoya, FMM, etc.

 

I used to love the cards from the Blue Horizon. Eric Holland, Anthony Boyle......guys that were never going to win titles but harkened back to the real quality club fights in the days before they were even born. There was a sense of connection to the past with those cards.

 

Don’t forget Rockin’ Rodney Moore. Blue-collar guy at the Blue Horizon. If I saw he was on a USA card at the Blue, guaranteed I’d be watching and guaranteed we’d all be entertained.

 

Wow, it's been 15 years (a week ago today) since @Mantequilla was last online. Created this behemoth and was around to see just 1.5% of its growth - circa page 13 of its current 830 and chugging.