the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I was in the mood for a couple of slam-bang fights and you can never go wrong with a Yoko Gushiken fight. So here we go:

Yoko Gushiken v Sang Il Jung (light flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 YG
Round 2: 10-9 YG
Round 3: 10-9 YG
Round 4: 10-8 YG (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Gushiken drops and stops Jung

Total through 4 completed rounds: 40-35 Gushiken (actual scores: 40-35, 40-35 and 40-34 all for Gushiken)

For whatever Jung was lacking in skill - which was considerable - he made up for in heart. despite his left eye getting mangled by Gushiken, he fought back fiercely in the 3rd round, which was the best round of the fight for competitive action. But he couldn't stave off the inevitable and the Korean folded in the 5th round.

Yoko Gushiken v Rigoberto Marcano II (light flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 YG
Round 3: 10-9 YG
Round 4: 10-9 YG
Round 5: 10-9 YG
Round 6: 10-9 YG
Round 7: Gushiken KOs Marcano

Total through 6 completed rounds: 60-55 Gushiken (actual scores: 2 scores of 60-54 both for Gushiken and an amazing 59-57 for Marcano from the Venezuelan official)

Despite the score, I have to give it to Marcano. Man, he lacked the punch but that didn't prevent him from engaging Gushiken in every heated exchange from the 2nd round on. Every round was close but it was Gushiken's punching power that gained every round. Very entertaining fight.

 

Eder Jofre v Fighting Harada 1 (revisited)

I’ve scored this a couple of times before on this thread but just watched this again for pure enjoyment… and very enjoyable it was.

How often do you get two divisional all-time greats from one of the original eight weight classes facing each other in their primes? Jofre, no worse than the second best bantamweight ever against future top 5 bantam Harada for the undisputed title. I don’t think there are that many fights of that quality and stature in history, and certainly not on film.

This was both a high quality technical fight and an attritional battle with great exchanges and featuring a couple of heart-in-mouth moments for both fighters, in rounds 4 and 5 respectively. Harada deserved the win but Jofre showed all the heart and class of a great champion and left with his head held high despite his first career loss.

 

Wilfredo Vasquez, Jr. v Juan Manuel Lopez (12 rounds, no title)

Round 1: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 2: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 3: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Lopez
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: Lopez drops and stops Vasquez

Total through 10 completed rounds: 96-94 Lopez (actual scores: 96-94, 96-94 and a 95-95 with Lopez ahead on 2 cards)

This was a decent fight but nowhere near the fireworks the commentary team and the fans were expecting. It was a steady fight with both fighters looking to unload but picking their shots and wary of what the other could do. Lopez being the big banger, but also with that susceptible jaw. Really the only true fireworks was the 11th when Lopez finally caught Vasquez and unloaded on him, dropping him along the ropes and the aftermath when Lopez went at it with a member of team Vazquez. I didn't agree with Farhood on his scoring (he was a bit of a Vasquez cheerleader and I think he had Vasquez ahead) but I did agree that the stoppage was a bit abrupt. Vasquez went down from a flurry along the ropes and the ref immediately called a halt without examination. Wait a minute, give the guy a chance. Give him his 8-count and assess the situation. If he didn't look good on arising, then fine, stop the fight. But don't be so quick on the trigger in a close fight. Anyways, again, not a spectacular fight, but decent.

 

Ray Robinson W15 Bobo Olson (2)

I hadn't seen a lot of Olson; the third and fourth Robinson fights, and his destruction at the hands of Torres. All KO losses of course, which does give one a certain impression, however unfair. I had seen snippets of Olson in other fights, and wanted to know a little more.

I like what I see here. Olson fights aggressively and tough, not in the Lamotta face-first manner but in a measured way with plenty of head movement and throwing precise, short punches in combination. He does really nice work here against a still excellent version of Robinson. Ray has his hands full, and he knows it.

All these rounds are close; it was an interesting fight to score. The full version shown on youtube actually has a few truncated rounds which is unfortunate, but not so bad as to make the fight unscoreable. It was just a few seconds here and there at the end of certain rounds that were missing so I was okay with it.

My scorecard belies the competitiveness of this one. Honestly, I thought the only real clear rounds went to Olson, so in a way I was surprised to see such a relatively lopsided score for Ray, but that's how scoring goes sometimes. Olson did really well, and acquitted himself very nicely indeed, throwing the right to the body behind the jab and stepping in with short, jarring hooks that at times had Robinson backing up a little shaky, particularly in the ninth and tenth rounds.

Olson was building up some serious momentum in the middle rounds, winning a couple rounds in a row perhaps and having another even round thrown in at the time, but see, here is where Robinson is really good, and shows an aspect of his game a lot don't talk about. Robinson had a tremendous grasp of momentum in a fight, an almost innate ability to know when he had to surge and flurry and dig a little deeper, and I don't mean just in the ten seconds before the bell to steal a round, a'la Gavilan. When he saw that his dancing and jabbing and flurrying weren't having the desired effect on Olson and that the Hawaii native was beginning to catch up, he simply dug in and flurried harder and threw more and got more aggressive himself at just the right moments. He stemmed the tide that way, and his legs never failed him. Ray was probably eshausted and sore as hell after this one, but he earned it. I might try to get after the Olson-Turpin fight soon, I need to see more of Bobo.

1. Robinson
2. Even
3. Robinson
4. Olson
5. Robinson
6. Robinson
7. Olson
8. Even
9. Olson
10. Robinson (Robinson hurt by a hook, though)
11. Olson
12. Robinson
13. Robinson
14. Robinson
15. Robinson

146-141 Robinson. Good fight.

 

Was looking for another slam-bang affair this morning and saw this bad boy out there. saw it live (TV) back in the day but needed that jolt this morning.

Dwight Braxton v Jerry 'The Bull' Martin (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Braxton
Round 2: 10-7 Braxton (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Braxton
Round 5: 10-9 Braxton
Round 6: The ref quite rightly stops the fight with Martin being pummeled pillar to post

Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-44 Braxton (actual scores: 50-44, 50-44 and 49-44 all for Braxton)

Not being disrespectful to Qawi, he just hadn't changed his name yet and was announced as Braxton. As for the fight, Martin was a bit well-chewed by this time, having been KO'd by Mustafa and Saad already and was still healing when he got another call-up for another title shot. The first and 3rd rounds were the closest but Qawi was really hammering him by the 6th and it was a good stoppage by Davey Pearl as Martin's corner didn't seem to be inclined to stop it. Martin got his licks in but Qawi was brutal at this time period.

 

Martin also had an unfortunate style against a swarming, crouching fireplug like Qawi. Straight up is never good for that.

 

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Good fight.

I cannot remember how i scored it round by round since this was yesterday i watched but obviously round ten was 10-8 for Martinez.

I saw Martinez win it, 115-112.

 

My card:

Azumah Nelson v Mario Martinez I

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
Round 6: 10-9 Nelson
Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
Round 9: 10-9 Martinez
Round 10: 10-8 Martinez (scored a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-9 Martinez

116-112 Martinez

 

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An obvious 30-27 De La Hoya

This was worse than Holmes-Cobb but quicker. Mayweather only showed an extraordinary courage.

 

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Alvarez - 2,3,4,8
Saunders - 1,5,6,7
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- Canelo breaks Saunders eye socket with a right uppercut in the 8th.
- Saunders quits on his stool - refusing to come out for the 9th.
- Canelo is declared the winner via RTD8
- I had the fight even after the 8th. 76-76.

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Winner:

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A good, technical fight with some good exchanges. Billy was the boxer. Canelo was the boxer-puncher. Billy used his jab constantly & circled the ring to create distant control. He was fairly success early on, but Canelo was able to neutralise it fairly quickly. He began to time Billy & counter with straight right hands when Billy would jab, & uppercuts when Billy would duck down.

Billy adjusted by using more feints, pivots & angles to confuse Canelo - landing some shots of his own. He landed some very good counter combos in Round 5 & 6. After a pretty even fight after 7 rounds, Canelo was looking to turn things around drastically - and he surely delivered. After throwing a wide right hook & ducking down - Canelo timed him perfectly as he gave a slight step back & landed a devastating right uppercut on the right corner of Saunder's eye that rocked him. He stumbled back awkwardly, but remained on his feet. Canelo then proceeded to pound away at a wiltering Saunders until the bell mercifully tolled, signalling the end of Round 8.

Panic & tension was rife in the Saunders corner as they were desperately working over the damaged eye & tried to encourage Saunders. However, the damage was done and Saunders decided to quit on his stool - not coming out for the 9th round. This was a very good fight that ended prematurely due to an eye injury. The atmosphere from the crowd & the drama that happened in the fight made for a special night of boxing.
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Scar, I scored this one 115-113 for Martinez.

Here’s my card but I wouldn’t swear by it.

Azumah Nelson v Mario Martinez 1
1 9-10
2 10-10
3 9-10
4 10-9
5 9-10
6 10-9
7 9-10
8 10-9 (close)
9 9-10
10 8-10
11 10-9
12 10-9
Nelson 113-115 Martinez

The judges were unanimous in 8 of the 12 rounds - the areas of contention were rounds 6, 8, 11 and 12. Two of the three judges went with Martinez in round 8 and Nelson in round 11 and then 6 and 12 were completely split - one for Nelson, one for Martinez and one even.

So, what looks like a bit harsh on Martinez was I think just down to the eye of the beholder in a couple of the tighter rounds. But I’d still say Nelson was lucky, particularly in a tight fight where he was knocked down late on.

 

And in Los Mexico..I mean, Los Angeles..to boot.

 

I was looking for some good Kennedy McKinney fights and I thought of his bout with Ireland's John Lowey. A bout which I attended and even met both fighters beforehand. I thought I would check it out again, but it was nowhere to be found. I did, however, find Lowey's bout with Erik Morales, so here we go:

Erik Morales v John Lowey (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Lowey
Round 2: 10-9 Morales
Round 3: 10-8 Morales (1 point deducted from Lowey for accidental headbutt that caused a cut on Morales' left eye per WBC rules)
Round 4: 10-9 Morales
Round 5: 10-7 Morales (1 point deducted from Lowey for another accidental headbutt that cut Morales' right eye. Then another point for what referee Laurence Cole deemed as another headbutt)
Round 6: 10-9 Lowey
Round 7: 10-9 Morales
Lowey's corner pull him out between rounds with a suspected broken right hand

Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-62 Morales (actual scores: 68-62, 68-62 and 69-62 all for Morales)

Regarding the fight itself, it was sloppy at times with no one really taking control, although Morales was slowly getting to the very sticky and energetic Lowey. If Lowey had a heavier dig it would have been interesting to see how this would unfold. But the story that annoyed me was Cole's handling of this bout. I know of the stupid WBC rule that penalizes the fighter that is not cut after a clash of heads. And no matter what I think of it, it is what it is. A rule. But it was the second deduction of the 5th round that bothered me. After 2 deductions it was apparent that Lowey was doing everything to keep the noggin out. And in a clinch where Morales dramatically pulled his head back and Lowey did everything side-to-side to keep his head out, Cole decides that Lowey was trying to get the old nut in. Ridiculous! And he docks him again. It should be noted that Cole didn't take Morales to task at all. Including for a blatant punch after the bell in the 6th or 7th round. A very poor and blatant job of reffing for the WBC by Cole.

 

Passively watching Morales vs Barrera 3 as I do some work

Barrera: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12
Morales: 2, 7, 8*, 11

Final: 116-112


-Two rounds in, this fight is ****ing war. Great toe to toe fighting with Morales trying to impose early and Barrera responding with great sharp punches.
-I cannot remember the last time I saw a PPV high profile main event that started at this pace
-Morales nose broken in round 2
-The winning gloves they wore were massive, somewhat comical looking bright yellow
-4th Morales comes out strong and comes forward and Barrera turns it up in response and lands his left hook and jab with regularity. Morales rallies in the final minute to make it close and they trade well to finish
-5th was pretty dominant for Morales who had very little to offer. Outside of a right cross which he seems to be pushing rather than firing he did not do much
-7 Morales wins the round and was backing Barrera up and used great foot work and angles
-Missed round 8 mostly but looked pretty even punch stat between rounds 19-19 in landed shots and similar thrown and percent connect but highlight shows big right hand for Morales, scored with asterisk
-Calmer round in ten but it finished with a nasty exchange
-11th was the best round of the fight both men hurt at different points, Barrera wisely goes to the body more frequently overall in the fight and mixes up his punches. Morales landed a strong body shot, did not do this much all fight

 

The two PPV-level (though at the time closed circuit) fights I think of starting on that kind of pace were Pryor-Arguello I and Sanchez-Gomez. The ‘feeling out process’ was ‘why don’t you feel this’ and ‘why don’t YOU feel that right back atcha,’ haha.