the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

No apology needed mate we just had different opinions and are very passionate about boxing and like to express our thoughts and what we believe is right.

On a slightly unrelated note all this talk about Larry Holmes I might rewatch Mike Weaver fight and score it as I haven't seen it in years.

 

It might be my favorite heavyweight title fight ever. Here’s how I scored it almost four years ago. Enjoy the fight!

Larry Holmes (c) vs. Mike Weaver I

June 22, 1979, at Madison Square Garden in New York, 15 rounds for Holmes’ WBC heavyweight championship

Holmes enters 30-0 (21) at 215 pounds making his third defense (coming off stoppage wins over Alfredo Evangelista and Ossie Ocasio), while eighth-ranked Weaver is 19-8 (13) on a five-knockout win streak that includes stoppages of Bernardo Mercado and Stan Ward.

The fight is televised by HBO, with the three American networks declining to carry a heavyweight title fight for the first time in quite a while. Weaver, 28, is regarded as an easy touch with his so-so record and basically no previous exposure to the public at large. This is the start of HBO’s shift into being a major player in the televised boxing scene.

If 29-year-old Larry wins, he stands to make $3M for his next defense against Earnie Shavers.

Round 1: Holmes 10-9
Round 2: Weaver 10-9 (body work mostly)
Round 3: Holmes 10-9
Round 4: Weaver 10-9 (both fighters rattled in an action round)
Round 5: Weaver 10-9
Round 6: Holmes 10-9 (gets on his toes to stick and move for the first time)
Round 7: Holmes 10-9 (rocks Weaver late and rakes him over on the ropes)
Round 8: Holmes 10-9
Round 9: Holmes 10-9 (another big action round)
Round 10: Weaver 10-9 (Holmes says he was thumbed and is wobbled and battered late)
Round 11: Holmes 10-8 (great back-and-fourth action with big punches from both and Holmes scoring a knockdown late in the round with an uppercut)
Round 12: Weaver hasn’t recovered, Holmes batters him until the ref steps in at 0:44 to stop it

My scorecard: Holmes 106-102 at time of stoppage

Outcome: Holmes wins by TKO in Round 12. He is up 107-101, 106-102 and 106-103 on the official scorecards.

Holmes goes on to establish himself as the dominant heavyweight champ starting with the successful defense against Shavers, while Weaver vaults into a long-term spot in the rankings (and a future championship) off his performance.

 

Joey Archer v Denny Moyer (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Archer
Round 2: Archer
Round 3: Moyer
Round 4: Archer
Round 5: Archer
Round 6: Archer
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Archer
Round 9: Archer
Round 10: Even

Total: 7-1-2 Archer (actual scores: 6-3-1, and 2 scores of 8-2 all for Archer)

A well contested bout between the top middleweight contender in Archer and the reigning jr. middleweight champion in Moyer. Denny found himself in the unusual position of being the aggressor/puncher - which he wasn't - as the fleet-footed Archer simply controlled the ring pot-shotting Denny from the outside. Denny would have moments of success when he would crowd Joey, but believe me, Archer would bob, weave and squirm his way out of any tough spot. If Joey had a punch, it's any wonder how far he may have gone in this game. I enjoyed the contest.

 

Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe

Round 1; Hopkins (10-8) An exciting first round, great kd by hopkins; hopkins' jabs>calzaghe tries to counter with his lead hook>hopkins counters with a big right hand, earning a kd

Round 2; Calzaghe, this round was a tough one to score, Calzaghe was active and kept punching throught the whole round, he landed some good jabs a constantly kept punching while in clinch, but hopkins did great neutralizing calzage with the said clinch-work, that being said I kinda value calzaghe being active more than hopkins constantly initiating the clinch

Round 3; Hopkins, again a tough one to score, what got me leaning towards hopkins in this round were the flurries he was throwing while calzaghe was open, it seemed to me like he landed a lot of punches even back against the ropes

Round 4; Calzaghe, so far this fight has been intersting to watch but really tough to score as I've said many times, that being said I value joe's offense more than bernard's defense, since most of his defense was him clinching calzaghe, now I now that clinch-work is a legit tactic, but I'd give slight advantage to the agrresor

Round 5; Calzaghe, this round we finally saw a lot more of boxing and less of the clinch, I think calzaghe out landed and out performed hopkins, he earned this round

Round 6; Calzaghe, the 6th undeniably goes to calzaghe, great performance, he found a good way to neutralize bernard's attempt at clinching, he jabs and/or steps to the right, after that he usually follows with another solid shot, stopping hopkins from getting close

Round 7; Calzaghe, his volume is on point, he still doesn't allow for hopkins to go for that clinch

Round 8; Calzaghe once more, joe completely took the pace in my opinion, but bernard deserves some praise as well, he landed a few good ones as well

Round 9; Calzaghe

Round 10; Hopkins, from what I understood there was no point deduction for calzaghe for the low blow he threw, however, hopkins made good use of the time he had to rest and, in my opinion, disrupted joe's rythm, he landed good and he managed to get some clinch-work in, earning this round in my eyes

Round 11; Calzaghe

Round 12; Calzaghe


116-111 in favour of Calzaghe, I honestly don't see how some people deem this fight as controversial or as a robbery, joe clearly won almost every round, he neutralized bernard's clinch as he sucesfully punched his way to victory

 

Carlos Monzon v Emile Griffith I (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Griffith
Round 3: 10-9 Monzon
Round 4: 10-9 Monzon
Round 5: 10-9 Monzon
Round 6: 10-9 Monzon
Round 7: 10-9 Monzon
Round 8: 10-9 Monzon
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Griffith
Round 11: 10-9 Monzon
Round 12: 10-9 Monzon
Round 13: 10-9 Monzon
Round 14 Monzon stops Griffith

Total through 13 completed rounds: 128-121 Monzon (actual scores: 130-127, 130-123 and 130-125 all for Monzon)

This was not a rip-roaring fight by any means but it kept my interest throughout. Despite my score Griffith was getting through with good shots, but it was only in ones. He'd land a good left hook or right hand (all noticeable by Monzon's head jarring) but could never follow up or establish a jab or combos on the taller Monzon with the enormous reach. I've always said - tongue-in-cheek - that Monzon's artillery was jab, jab, jab, right hand and that was it. Now, I know he has more in the arsenal but that is what always stands out with Monzon (to me) and never so more than this bout. He simply controls the fight with his height and range and that combo in particular. He really started to zero in on Griffith with that straight right by the 13th and finished matters in the 14th with Griffith in a corner. I recall watching their rematch live and Cosell saying repeatedly that Monzon stopped Griffith in their first fight due to exhaustion. Simply not true. Griffith was still moving and firing when he could. He looked fine but it was the straight rights that done him in. BTW, the judges in this bout were 3 Argentine fence-sitters, so use your own judgement when scoring.

 

Joe Calzaghe vs Chris Eubank

Round 1; Calzaghe (10-8) Calzaghe went out there and did amazing setting up a pace in his favour, kd'd eubank and completely overwhelmed him with great shots for the remainder of the round

Round 2; Calzaghe, eubank did good but joe was always one step ahead, one punch ahead...

Round 3; Eubank, I feel like eubank sort of distrupted joe's rythm, he slipped good and landed a few good shots

Round 4; Calzaghe, simply out punched and out landed his opponent

Round 5; Calzaghe, eubank landed a few good shots on joe this round but calzaghe is just dominating too convincingly

Round 6; Calzaghe, both fighters landed well but I feel like calzaghe got an upper hand

Round 7; Eubank, great offence this round by eubank

Round 8; Eubank, a tough one to score, but I think that the combos and the power behind combos of eubank did more damage than those of calzaghe

Round 9; Calzaghe, volume is on his side and he also landed great towards the end, almost kd'd eubank

Round 10; Calzaghe (10-8) wbo standing count rule, in my opinion it was a good call, eubank's glove touched the floor and then he got up and tried to continue, him touchingthe floor was a good sign of that shot downing him

Round 11; Calzaghe

Round 12; Calzaghe


117-109 in favour of Calzaghe

 

Dennis Andries v Tony Sibson (light heavyweight title plus the British 175 was thrown in for good measure)

Won't run a card here. Dennis was simply too big and too strong for Sibson. Didn't think the weight looked good on Tony. Thought he was too bulky, which prevented him from getting his shots off. Dennis just ground him down with his awkward but effective clubbing punches. I only gave Tony a share of the 7th and the rest to Dennis for a score of 80-73 for Andries through 8 rounds before dropping Tony twice in the 9th when his corner called him home. Actual scores were 80-74, 77-74 and 79-75 all for Andries.

 

Ruslan Provodnikov v Jose Luis Castillo

When I saw this fight was out there I immediately thought slam-bang war knowing these two. It was not, but it was a decent fight. The 4th round was about the best for exchanges and in the 3rd Castillo did get off some beautiful left hooks to the liver, but it was controlled mayhem more than explosive. Castillo took 2 counts in the 5th and that ended matters. After 80 pro wars, this was his final fight. Again, he didn't show up just to make up numbers and grab a payday as he tried, but Provodnikov was a warrior in his own right with a short career (30 fights) owing to his style. I gave Provodnikov every round for a 40-36 score going into the 5th.

 

Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney

1 Garcia
2 Haney
3 Haney
4 Haney
5 Haney
6 Garcia
7 Garcia knockdown and a point deduced 9-8
8 Haney
9 Haney
10 Garcia knockdown plus a very dominant round 10-7 for me
11 Garcia 10-8 knockdown
12 Garcia

113-110 Garcia

 

Tony was just too small. Tony´s 1st defeat was when he agreed to take on unknown Lotte Mwale at light-heavyweight. He was blown away in a round.

Dennis Andries had a reputation for being a wild but tough and courageous operator. After various defeats he pulled himself together and with the help of up and coming promoter, Frank Warren, had picked up the WBC title.

Many thought that Sibson greater big fight experience and natural middleweight speed would be enough. Wasn´t to be.

Shame as Sibson would have easily won a Super-middleweight title but not recognised in Britain at the time.

 

Daniel Zaragoza v Kiyoshi Hatanaka (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 KH
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 DZ
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 DZ
Round 6: 10-9 DZ
Round 7: 10-9 DZ
Round 8: 10-9 DZ
Round 9: 10-9 DZ
Round 10: 10-9 DZ
Round 11: 10-9 DZ
Round 12: 10-9 DZ

Total: 119-111 Zaragoza (actual scores: 117-110 and 116-112 both for Zaragoza with a 115-113 for Hatanaka with Zaragoza a split winner)

This was a damn good fight and I was expecting scores to be quite diverse on this one. Reasoning being, almost every round, I felt, was decided by one fighter doing just that little bit more. Rounds 10, 11 and 12 were wild. I really expected at least one of the combatants to go down. They were both exhausted, both bleeding (Hatanaka from a bad cut over the left eye and Zaragoza from somewhere in his hairline) but never let up on their punch output. Their resilience was truly amazing and the fans got their money's worth.

 

Agreed except for the 10-7

 

I had forgotten this fight ever took place (if I was ever even aware) … but if you’d asked me to call it as a fantasy fight I’d have gotten it pretty much on the head except maybe figured it to end a round or two earlier. Light heavy just a bridge too far for Sibbo against a strong, physical guy like Andries.

 

I had time today for a quick slam-bang affair. Thanks to @Russell for posting this on another thread.

Darroll 'Doin' Damage' Wilson v Courage Tshabalala

Round 1: 10-8 Courage (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Courage
Round 3: 10-8 Courage (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: Wilson KO's Courage

Total through 3 completed rounds: 30-25 Courage

Wow! Outstanding slugfest and a lot of controversy. Both fighters exciting to watch and both very flawed. And together they put on a show. The controversy of course, is the KD at the end of the 3rd and in the 4th. I replayed both several times. Referee Rudy Battle stopped counting at 7 (it was very audible) and Wilson got to his feet. To tell you how precise I was trying to get with this, I timed Battle's count and if he continued counting at the same pace Wilson would have gotten up at 9. Of course Lou Duva, Tshabalala's cornerman, went ballistic screaming long count, etc. But in the 4th, the exhausted and hurt Tshabalala went down and it appeared that Battle returned the favor. Slow-counting him (I clocked off 15 seconds he was down) as well, so Duva was going to complain but it almost looks like Battle was trying to preserve this war as long as he could and was not taking a side. Had Courage made it to his feet, he would have had extra time because he also spit out his mouthpiece, but he just couldn't make it. Again, great war, lots of controversy and someone was going home unhappy. But not the fans.

 

Randall Bailey v Dio Hurtado (vacant jr. welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Hurtado (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 4: 10-9 Bailey
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-8 Bailey (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: Hurtado drops and stops Bailey (unclear if he beat the count and the ref stopped it)

Total through 6 completed rounds: 57-57 Even (actual scores: 58-54 Bailey, 58-54 Hurtado and 57-55 Bailey)

To begin, this had the earmarks of one bad-a*s shootout. Not that it wasn't without its moments of drama, but it was more of a subdued, scientific shootout. Hurtado started out countering and Bailey looked to work his way in with precision in order to unload, not the slam-bang you would expect from two noted bangers. Still, a good scrap. Also of note are the scores, which are all over the place. Aside from the knockdowns, I don't think Harold Lederman and I shared a single round in agreement. But it was just that kind of a fight.