the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mike, I recall reading an article once that brought up something similar to what you mentioned of the post-fight media. The article I read stated that instead of the headline reading "Monzon wins" it read "Benvenuti loses" because no one outside of the die-hards would have a clue who they were talking about.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably all in shock that it didn’t end in a draw when they looked up Carlos’ record. (Argentinian boxing, IYKYK.)
     
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  3. salsanchezfan

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    Planning to get into more fights soon, fellas; in the meantime, still love reading all the reports!
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Always love your insight, Sal.
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George, wow! Here we go........

    Travis Dickinson v Matty Clarkson (10 rounds - English Light heavyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-8 Dickinson (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-8 Dickinson (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-8 Clarkson (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-9 Dickinson
    Round 5: 10-6 Clarkson (scores 3 knockdowns)
    Round 6: Referee calls the fight for Dickinson

    Total through 5 completed rounds: 45-44 with Clarkson leading

    Oh, man, where do I begin? Fantastic fight between two evenly matched opponents. Beside the combatants treating each other like a basketball, the controversy was of course, the stoppage. It may have seemed strange seeing the ref suddenly stop the fight after witnessing 6 knockdowns and I'm sure he came under fire, but what was noticeable during the 5th and 6th was the swelling on that right cheek of Clarkson's, which didn't bode well, not to mention that swelling under the left eye. His body language was off as well. A judgement call that you can't argue with as I understand Clarkson had suffered a broken jaw. What was also noteworthy was they were both stopped in their next fight and aside from a 4 round win for Clarkson 3 years later, they both packed it in. Possibly left a lot in the ring that night. What was also noteworthy was seeing a young (well, he had hair anyway) Tyson Fury at ringside. Great find, George.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

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    I can't take credit. @Young Terror found the video and sent it me.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Dan Azeez D8 Hrvoje Sep

    Werid, freakish fight this, Azeez wins the first round trying to push Sep around, landing the harder punches to the body, matching his superior quality with an aggressive fighter's need to attack and winning the exchanges and leads accordingly. But in the second, Sep just starts banging him in the face with an orthodox right hand. Sep still looks competent but the only real difference is he has given himself some room, so he's done the opposite of what might have been expected, he's increased the range but somehow he's started out-landing and out-hitting an always too static Azeez. Good first four rounds and I have the Croatian "opponent" emerging 3-1 up. I do think Azeez won the fifth, but he certainly didn't stop any rot, it was a debatable, tough round to score where It thought the work Azeez did with the jab just about bought him the round despite the decent rights thrown by Sep. Pretty much the reverse happened in the fifth while Buddy McGirt literally begged Azeez to up the pressure from the corner. This left Azeez needing the seventh and eight for me for the draw. The seventh was the best round he fought, he was busy, direct, and tried to throw upon being hit as opposed to thinking about whaAt he did wrong. Sep still hit him, but was clearly outhit over three minutes for the first time since the first.

    Strange then (like the whole affair) that he let that momentum go in the eighth. Azeez opened with a good jab, but he got hit in return by right hands or pal left hooks, and Azeez went back to thinking rather than insta-punching. Azeez looks like he's waiting for a bus with some of these punches. It's low quality, there is wrestling from Sep who looks tired - but where is Azeez's engine? He should be at work for his career here. Instead, it's very hard to find a win for him on the cards and I'd argue that Sep sneaked it. What a strange fighter Azeez has been. Gone in the head I'd guess.

    Sep:2,3,4,6,8.
    Azeez:1,5,7.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marty Monroe v Lynn Ball

    Round 1: 10-7 Monroe (scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 2: 10-9 Ball
    Round 3: 10-9 Ball
    Round 4: 10-9 Ball
    Round 5: Monroe KOs Ball

    Total through 4 completed rounds: 37-37 (scores not known)

    I saw this fight out there and had to check it out again. Man, this takes me back. Saw it live in '80 and remembered being intrigued with Ball because he had recently taken out Ron Lyle in 2. I recall Lyle having him down but still, he took out Lyle - who I know was creaking - in 2 rounds. This fight was interesting and exciting and proved 2 things. Ball's combos were terrific and several times turned Monroe's head into a speedbag. The other thing this proved was that Ball's jaw was pure glass. But still, an exciting fight.
     
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  9. Saintpat

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    Marty was an interesting prospect for a minute: Yeah, he took a loss to Scott LeDoux that should have raised suspicions, but then he beat Ball and stopped Eddie “Animal” Lopez, who had drawn with Leon Spinks shortly before Leon dethroned Ali and gone the distance in losses with Gerry Cooney and John Tate iirc.

    Surely anyone who could stop Lopez was worthy of inspection. A little light in the shorts, on the skinny side, but a sharp puncher and we were still in an era where a smaller heavyweight could get the job done.

    Then Greg Page happened and he rode off into the sunset after a couple fights.

    Ball had a lot going for him but his chin was made in China. Ultimately he couldn’t overcome that.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've been wanting to rewatch this fight for years i was a kid when i watched this live with my dad, and i blown away by how good it was it's honestly one of the greatest fights of all time and no one ever talks about it.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Liam Paro UD12 Subriel Matias

    Bit of a shock this - big shock for DAZN and Eddie Hearn who just signed him up. Matias has been sold big time as the bogeyman of the 140lb division and relentlessly so by DAZN, Paro showed him what is up though. He did this, in the beginning, with the jab, it's always so silly writing that - it must get said 100 times a day in different gyms all over the world about spars, smokers, fights, but it's very difficult to get a pressure fighter with power under control with the jab, that's the truth. Paro though had a couple of advantages early: Matias is a slow starter; his jab is of the southpaw variety and perhaps Matias wasn't quite as prepared for that as he should be - and he has ice in his veins. Paro was totally unrattled. He kept busy with that lead, mixing a decent jab, nothing hairy, in with a prod that disrupted the guard, gathered some points and opened Matias up to the body with his trailing hand then his lead hand. There is nothing earth-shattering in this but he was consistent and tempered. He dominated the first half of the third with this strategic quilt but Matias did come on strong in the second half of the round - you would score a share under a civilised scoring system. As it is, I tend to go with the most meaningful punches in this situation regardless of overall control or volume, and Matias landed the most significant blows of the round, so I gave him the close third. But this does not represent a solution for Matias, he hasn't solved his opponent, he's just landed some hard shots in a close round that Paro held the whip hand in, mostly.

    What the third did reveal was another aspect of Paro's plan, to hit him back, hit him bard when Matias hits him hard, trusting to his superior technique. I think parrow turned a little narrower in the opening of the fourth, a very cleaver way of giving Matias a different look without changing much - he narrowed up bis punching, too, for spells, one-one-two across a very narrow range, he also began holding in this round. A word about the referee: he was biased to Matias. It's often said but Paro really did beat his opponent and the referee both. He aggressively pursued Paro for use of the head (wrongly), warned him aggressively for hitting round the back of the head (wrongly) and took a point form him in the seventh for excessive holding (Defendable but unusual). Also, whenever he seperated them, he only pushed back Paro - that is such a tell, I always think, when the referee only manhandles (part of his job) one of the fighters, he often shows bias against that fighter, though not always of course. His name is Luis Pabon. 3-1 up after 4, Paro really put himself in control by also winning the fifth before Matias won his first definitive round of the fight, the sixth. He didn't get there until the final twenty seconds though, where an uppercut seemed to disturb Paro who seemed momentarily defensive and for the remainder of the round, disorganised. He came out for the seventh giving ground and trying to circle, allowing Matias to build that momentum, but he soon put a stop to Matias's progress with the jab - Paro returned to the naked strategy of the first, giving added ground. It won him the first minute of the round, then the drunk referee took away a point. DAZN commentary, to their great credit, called it out in favour of the visiting fighter, named it "disgusting" - a portion of his strategic solution removed from him by bad officiating, hurt from the sixth, Paro lost the remainder of the round and sees a two point round go against him in a round he was probably set to bank.

    Paro responded with narrow, busy shots again in the eighth, giving ground more incrementally, stepping in with uppercuts before quickly exiting, looking for, boxing aggressively off a heavy backfoot stance two-handed at range. Clear round for Paro until the final twenty seconds where Paro was sent on the run by bodyshots - I thought Paro had just enough in the bank. He looked fragile at the beginning of the eighth though, Matias for the first time really walked him down with the earmuffs before getting inside and doing very menaingful work, which disturbed rather than hurt Paro but it's strange - despite Paro dominating the first eight the writing felt on the wall here. That's because the pattern has finally been changed in Matias's favour and partly also because the point deduction means that Paro's lead on the cards isn't that significant post the ninth - I have Paro one point up only after the ninth with the momentum behind Matias.

    That's why 10-12 have ended up being my favourite rounds of the year so far outside of the Usyk-Fury fight.

    Paro swept them on my card and re-watching them is a deep joy. Paro can't hold so he forages, moving, boxing right-handed, stepping in for two punches, then stepping out. He also showed more head-movement than he had, excessive in some spots, just to give Matias something else to look at. Matias tried to flurry in close but Paro often found his way to Matias's right ear with a cuffing, unpleasant shot and just showed more activity generally. He consistently found reasons for the judges to score the fight for him, a minute at a time. Paro exposed Matias in these three rounds, not in the internet sense of the word, but in a real, strategic sense. When Paro got hit, like he did at the end of the tenth, he immediately goes back to the right-handed jab-boxing that kept him out of trouble in rounds one and two. Wow, great discipline, I love it so much.

    Paro:1,2,4,5,8,10,11,12.
    Matias:3,6,7*,9.

    *BS point deduction against Paro for holding.

    115-112 Paro

    A very instructive fight.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Tony Tucker vs Orlin Norris 1

    1 Tucker
    2 Norris
    3 Norris
    4 Norris
    5 Norris
    6 Tucker
    7 Norris
    8 Tucker
    9 Norris
    10 Tucker
    11 Tucker 10-8 point deduction
    12 Norris

    114-113 Norris

    @scartissue i'd be interested to know how you score this i thought this was controversial.

    So this fight was on the undercard of Hill vs Hearns, Tucker was on the comeback trail after the Tyson loss in which he was inactive for 2 having issues with drugs.

    Overall this was a decent Heavyweight fight to watch and was fought at a good pace, Tucker was the more active fighter and kept busy with the left jab. Norris's defence was superb in this fight and he was able to successfully be the aggressor block most of Tucker's shots and i felt Norris won a close decision based on his excellent defence, effective aggression, cleaner punches.

    It wasn't the easiest fight to score because Tucker was more busy than Norris, but if you watch closely alot of Tucker's work was ineffective and Norris's defence was as i said superb.

    Now let's talk about the judges scorecards one judge had it 114-113 to Norris which is a reasonable scorecard and i had the same score. But the other 2 judges my god.....117-110, 116-111, for Tucker ? absolutely horrendous scoring and some of the worst scorecards i've ever seen honestly.

    Just to finally add it was a close fight but it's one of them close fights that i definitely think Norris has the stronger argument to winning.
     
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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Going on the list, D.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Buddy McGirt v Tony Baltazar (NY rounds scoring)

    Round 1: Baltazar
    Round 2: Baltazar (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: McGirt
    Round 4: McGirt
    Round 5: McGirt
    Round 6: McGirt
    Round 7: McGirt
    Round 8: McGirt
    Round 9: McGirt
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 7-2-1 McGirt (actual scores: 8-2, 8-2 and 7-3 all for McGirt)

    What looked like bombs-away on paper certainly was not. Moreso after McGirt tasted the canvas in the 2nd round. But McGirt wasn't all about the punch. Man, he could box and counter-punch, which is exactly what he did in this fight. I like how Gil Clancy noticed Tony waiting in the 2nd round on. And that proceeded the rest of the fight. It was like he was missing that half-step from his lightweight days (recently released from prison) and he was just trying to get Buddy in range for that left hook of his rather than let the punches fly. And Buddy took advantage of everything that came his way. Again, it wasn't a powder-keg but still enjoyable for me tactically.
     
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  15. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D, checked it out today and not going to lie to you, it was a toughie to score. A very fine line, I felt, with punches landed as opposed to those with more authority. I had it for Tucker, but plenty of room to see an opposing score such as yours and give it credence. Anyways, here we go.

    Orlin Norris v Tony Tucker (NABF heavyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Tucker
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Tucker
    Round 4: 10-9 Norris
    Round 5: 10-9 Tucker
    Round 6: 10-9 Norris
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Tucker
    Round 9: 10-9 Norris
    Round 10: 10-9 Tucker
    Round 11: 10-9 Tucker (scored it Even but 1 point deducted from Norris for low blow)
    Round 12: 10-9 Norris

    Total: 116-114 Tucker (actual scores: 117-110 and 116-111 both for Tucker and a 114-113 for Norris with Tucker a winner on a split)

    I believe the judges scoring it that wide for Tucker were not taking into account the punches blocked by Norris. That's a lazy judge who doesn't look at the whole chess board and is impressed by sound. Incidentally, although I remember this fight when it took place, I never knew they rematched several years later. A small bit of redemption for Norris winning the rematch.
     
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