the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    it should have been a tko instead. Its the more honorable way both to win and to lose a fight.
     
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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kevin Pompey v Nick Rupa (USBA welterweight title)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Rupa
    Round 3: 10-9 Rupa
    Round 4: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Rupa
    Round 7: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 8: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 11: 10-9 Rupa
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 116-116 Draw (actual scores: 116-112 Rupa, 115-113 Pompey and a 114-114 Even for a Draw)

    Totally happy with this decision. On one hand you have Rupa, who fought a tough, smothering fight where he would let the punches fly when Pompey was on the ropes. On the other hand, you had Pompey, whose workrate wasn't at the standard of Rupa's, but threw the far better quality shots. Neither had KO power, which added up to 12 rounds of pounding the stuffing out of one another. The version I watched had an English commentator, whose scoreline matched my own of 4-4-4 in rounds, but we had differing rounds. Good fight, dynamite workrate and a good decision.
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both Rupa and Pompey had a ceiling, but you knew if they weren’t thrown too far into the deep end they’d give a good account and you’d likely end up with a good fight. I remember when they got matched thinking that was a brilliant pairing, guaranteed to be worth a watch (and it was).

    Pretty much anytime I saw them on the TV boxing schedule, I’d be sure to watch. Good pick here @scartissue.
     
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    Robson Conceicao SD O'Shaquie Foster

    Controversial this one, complicated by a very biased commentary. Foster moving away, popping his jab, Robson following, looking for a jab to the body. In ring sound is great, lovely the sound of these punches. I scored a completely even first to Robson on the aggression. Foster really is limber, he moves well while keeping it close, good composure. This is so touchy, it's an electrified wire of a fight, both men feinting and very alive to one-another's feints and moves. I thought Robson took the second also with a count-right in the final thirty seconds. That kind of fight, a punch can win you a round. He fell short throughout the third though and Foster looks set to take over perhaps, good belt-line work lifting the round for him. Right hand along the ropes hand lashing right hand on the top of the head lifts Robson the fourth, it's not exciting but good grief it is tense. Fifth sees a restless crowd getting very negative about the fight; Robson makes the fight entirely, Foster is only waiting, that's all. Maybe this is why I have Robson ahead and Foster struggling on the scorecards, I thought Robson landed the better punches in the fifth once again. The thing is: ESPN commentary and ringside scorecard has Foster ahead. Punchstats see Foster ahead. The punchstats are definitely off though - they have Robson adding zero power punches in the first and he clearly landed a hard left hook to the body. Anyway, either way, I have Robson in a handy lead going into the sixth, bit of a must win for Foster on my card.

    I found the sixth really hard to score because ****ing ESPN insisted on running two boxes for the middle-minute, one showing Shakur Stevenson giving the camera a thumbs up. Lots of clinching was occurring during that spell. From what I could see, it was Foster with the meaningful shots, all right-hand counters. Foster taking over a little bit, even in the eighth where Robson takes a lead with half-landed punches, he undertakes s rare two-handed attack for the control of the eighth. Robson is unrattled, he just continues to deploy himself, I don't understand commentary insistence that he is "Taking chances", he's throwing a little more as the fight's gone probably but that is normal for him. I thought Robson sneaked the eighth on the right hand.

    Almost every round is close and difficult. I suppose from that perspective you can say that the ESPN position isn't that bad. You could validly call this wide for Foster IMO. I have it a 12th round shootout for the decision. Close, but I thought Foster nicked it with a right hand while Robson's work got really sloppy. Weird fight, weird commentary. Everything about this was strange. Strange brew. Obscenely, I would really like to see it again.

    O'Shaquie Foster:1,3,6,7,9,10,12.
    Robson Conceicao:2,4,5,8,11,

    115-113.

    Official: 116-112, 115-113, 113-116.
     
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  5. AntonioMartin1

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    Good scrap but how the Hell did one judge see it 98-92 for Williams?

    On the other hand Rich the Fight Historian does a great job keeping boxing;s history alive.
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I checked this fight out a couple of months back. Here is how I saw it:

    Tim Witherspoon v Mike Williams

    Round 1: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 2: 10-9 Williams
    Round 3: 10-9 Williams
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 6: 10-9 Williams
    Round 7: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Witherspoon
    Round 10: 10-9 Witherspoon

    Total: 97-95 Witherspoon (actual scores: 96-94 and 97-94 both for Witherspoon and a 98-92 for Williams for a split win for Tim)

    This was a fast-moving heavyweight fight. Witherspoon showed up in shape (the last time he was ever sub-220) but the speedy, sharp-hitting Williams was out-moving him throughout and Tim reverted to his bombs-away style of trying to land the haymaker. In the end, it was his power that talked here, which took the fight on my card in a good, close fight.
     
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Checked out a couple of James Cook's fights today. I loved reading about him and how he turned his career around beginning with the Errol Christie fight (which I'm still looking for). This first one took place just before the Christie fight.

    Herol Graham v James Cook (vacant British middleweight title - British scoring of 10 - 9 1/2 in effect)

    Round 1: 10-9 Graham (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 1/2 Graham
    Round 3: 10-9 1/2 Graham
    Round 4: 10-9 1/2 Graham
    Round 5: Graham drops and stops Cook

    Total through 4 completed rounds: 40-37 1/2 for Graham

    Man, Graham was at his best and Cook was only starting to come into his own. And let me tell ya, Cook had heart to stay with the career as he was just picked apart and bewildered by the shots coming from every angle and non-stop. A masterpiece by Graham.

    James Cook v Mark Kaylor (European super-middleweight title - British scoring)

    Round 1: 10-9 1/2 Cook
    Round 2: 10-9 1/2 Cook
    Round 3: 10-10 Even
    Round 4: 10-9 1/2 Cook
    Round 5: 10-9 1/2 Cook
    Round 6: Kaylor's corner throws in the towel late in the round

    Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-48 Cook

    In his final fight Mark Kaylor gave it one last go but this was Cook - despite being 32 - in his prime and simply had too much of a punch assortment for Kaylor who tried to nullify Cook's long-range game by going chest to chest infighting. However, Cook had the better of him here too with a beauty of an uppercut that he really found a home for. Kaylor was cut and under heavy fire when his corner threw in the towel, which I was surprised at. I thought it would have gone on a bit more, but they were clearly watching out for Mark. Good exchanges between these two throughout.
     
  8. Fireman Fred

    Fireman Fred Active Member Full Member

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    If memory serves me right the Christie fight wasn´t televised though there is a camcorder version available.

    Apart from the Kaylor fight (and beating a young Michael Watson) his greatest wins are his British title win over Sam Storey, EBU win, on French soil, against the big punching Pierre Frank Winsterstein where the usually fragile Cook gets off the floor to score an emphatic last round stoppage.

    Also his other EBU defense against the hard punching Tarmo Uusivirta who had previously floored and outpointed Cook in his native Finland.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I checked out the Uusivarta rematch awhile back. This is how I had it:

    James Cook v Tarmo Uusivirta (European super-middleweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Cook
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Uusivirta
    Round 4: 10-9 Cook
    Round 5: 10-9 Cook
    Round 6: 10-9 Cook
    Round 7: Uusivirta retires mid-round

    Total through 6 completed rounds - 59-56 Cook (scores unknown)

    I won't call this a must-see by any means, but I really enjoyed their exchanges. Quite evenly matched and they rocked each other a number of times. The Finn always seemed to catch Cook on the way in, but Cook had a beautiful assortment of punches with the jab, straight right, left hook and that uppercut of his was a beauty. Strangely, midway through the 7th, the Finn just turned away and walked to his corner. Done for the evening. A good Continental matchup.
     
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Róbson Conceição vs O Shaquie Foster

    Round 1: 10-9 Foster
    Round 2: 10-9 Róbson
    Round 3: 10-9 Foster
    Round 4: 10-9 Róbson
    Round 5: 10-9 Foster
    Round 6: 10-10 this is a even round, scoring that is flipping a coin really, nothing else
    Round 7: 10-9 Róbson
    Round 8: 10-9 Róbson
    Round 9: 10-9 Foster
    Round 10: 10-9 Foster
    Round 11: 10-9 Róbson (it should be even, really)
    Round 12: 10-9 Foster (this is probably the clearest round for anyone in the whole fight)

    I have it 6-5 for Foster.
    To call this a robbery is wrong.
    You don´t clearly win fights by having a better punching form or something, Foster did not land anything, Rounds 1, 6, 8 and 11 should be called even rounds and it is stupid this rule about "you gotta have a winner for the round"... why ? If nobody won it then nobody won it!

    Foster did win his rounds in a clearer way than Róbson (kinda..).... the best punch of the fight is his.....yeah.... but that is not how the rules work, is it ?!
    If the fight was scored as a whole, as a one piece thing.. he would have clearly won (maybe).... but by number of rounds ? **** no, both didn´t land anything, it was even.. .
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Continuing my interest of the British middles, today I had to check out....

    Errol Christie v Charlie Boston (British scoring)

    Round 1: 10-9 Boston (scores a knockdown)
    Round 2: 10-9 1/2 Christie
    Round 3: 10-9 Boston (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-9 1/2 Christie
    Round 5: 10-9 1/2 Boston
    Round 6: 10-9 Christie (scores a knockdown)
    Round 7: 10-9 1/2 Christie
    Round 8: Boston drops Christie twice and the fight is stopped

    Total through 7 completed rounds: 67 1/2 - 67 1/2

    I had only watched Christie's bout with Mark Kaylor prior to this and it was apparent there was something missing from Errol's game. After this vid, it was followed by some highlight reel of Errol's, showing his stoppages of Doug James and Fred Reed. Man, what a world of difference. In those bouts he was loose, fast and without fear as he ripped into his opponents. Against Boston - whom he shouldn't have had a problem with - he was hesitant and shaky as hell. I think I'll blame the Kaylor fight. I think he left something on the canvas of Wembley that night.
     
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  12. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    I clearly like quick, uncomplicated to score fights lol!

    I will say about this fight that Tszyu was dominating. Mas knew this, obviously. However, I dont think he did a NO Mas job as they implied here. its easy to judge when you're not in pain and watching the fight outside and thats what the commentators were doing its quite possible that the damage to Mas' chin was done with an earlier knockdown punch and he may have been trying to get the title by disqualification, but he looks in real pain. I dont think he was acting.

    Mas clearly did not recuperate from this outing.
     
  13. AntonioMartin1

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    Total dominance by Tszyu, I had it 80-72.
     
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  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Antonio, I checked this out awhile back. This is how I saw it:

    Kostya Tszyu v Rafael Ruelas

    I was looking for something today that would be part barn-burner and competitive. Well...this wasn't it. As one-sided as it gets. No sense running a card here. Before it was stopped in the 9th round I had Tszyu leading 80-70 through 8 completed rounds. There were no knockdowns but I gave Tszyu the 1st and the 8th by 10-8 margins because I felt he battered Rafael in both those rounds (despite Rafael catching Tszyu late in the first, it was still a battering). This was not a washed up Ruelas. He was on a 9 bout unbeaten streak, but Tszyu was simply too much for him and was superior in every department except heart.
     
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    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carlos Ortiz v Harry Bell II (NY scoring)

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Ortiz
    Round 3: Ortiz
    Round 4: Ortiz
    Round 5: Ortiz
    Round 6: Ortiz
    Round 7: Ortiz
    Round 8: Bell
    Round 9: Ortiz
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 7-1-2 Ortiz (actual scores: 8-1-1, 8-1-1 and a 5-5 score, which, utilizing NYs supplemental points in the event of an even card, became 6-5 in points for Ortiz for a unanimous win)

    Despite the poorer quality of film due to age, I was still able to enjoy this fight. Very evenly matched between 2 prospects with Ortiz having 24 fights and Bell having had 19 fights. Bell was a very nice boxer who could throw a sharp punch and neither fighter ignored the body. Ortiz was just a much harder banger, which showed throughout. The rounds got a bit closer after the 5th when Ortiz picked up a bad cut on the right eye, which clearly bothered him, interrupting his momentum. Good fight and both prospects should be applauded for their accuracy throughout. Amazing the divergent paths their careers took from there. Bell had one more fight and Ortiz went on to 3 world titles.
     
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