the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I was about to give Tszyu round one by 10-8 but precisely that punch made me give Ruelas a 9 instead. Nothing else. But for a 10-9 round it was the closest ever ive come to a 10-8 round in my now 40 years of scoring fights.

 

Mickey Ward v Reggie Green

Round 1: 10-9 Ward
Round 2: 10-9 Green
Round 3: 10-9 Green
Round 4: 10-9 Green
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Green
Round 8: 10-9 Green
Round 9: 10-9 Green
Round 10: Ward stops Green

Total through 9 completed rounds: 89-84 Green (actual scores unknown)

Man, this was some fight, which is typical of a Ward fight. I heard Green was ahead on 2 out of 3 cards and although many of these rounds were close, I can't see anyone having Ward ahead. The announcers gave the ref some stick for the stoppage, but Green was getting pummeled. Perhaps he could have cut him some slack by giving him an 8 count as the ropes held him up on that final blow of Ward's. But its a fine line.

 

Understandably everyone talks about Ward-Gatti I or Emanuel Augustus but this fight is up there for me.

Green was a decent fringe contender type. Good boxing skills, solid power with his biggest weakness being his chin. Got up from an early knockdown to give Sharma Mitchell a good fight in World title even getting a draw from one of the judges.

Ward took some punishement in some of the rounds, never quit and finally wore Green down in a great rocky style victory.

Another great Ward victory no one mentions is his 1st fight with the undefeated (31-0) Louis Veader.

 

After my article about Tszsu-Mitchell II was out on the votes for deletion on Wikipedia by someone who knows **** about boxing and thought it was a non-notable event, I went on a Tszyu watching binge,

Here is my next Kostya Tszyu fight which I just finished watching:

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This fight was as bad a beating as Holmes vs. Ali.

It cou;d have been stopped by round five already. As it was, Gonzalez showed a ton of heart and a great chin but nothing else. Im surprised it took all the way to round ten for someone to stop it. This man could have died!

As a side-note, i heard Gonzalez is now living on the streets in Mexico City. As a person who was once kind of wealthy as a kid and whose family stepped down a level due to bad family business decisions, its always sad to see someone go through that. I sincerely hope he can get his life together.

Having said that, you might wonder what was exactly that happened to my family. Well, we were not Paris Hilton rich, but my family owned a couple of things. We used to get on planes just for the heck of it on short vacations, dine at the finest restaurants and go to the mall every weekend to buy luxury items (and toys for me and my brother-my sister wasnt born yet) and to lunch on Sundays. Then we went broke, and had to settle at an apartment complex which, on one side was a downward turn to me as I missed my two story house but on the other side, was the best thing that could happen to me, because every family there had at least one teen or pre-teen (or at least someone in their early twenties) kid and I became part of a kinship not dissimilar to that of, for example, the former members of boy band Menudo, in the sense that, well....from 1976 until now, many have been part of the group of teens who lived at that place and the complex's teen group's membership door still keeps on revolving. I lived there from 1984 to 1990 and to this day on Facebook, those that were there during my era keep in contact.

Anyways, here is Tszyu to you, versus Gonzalez, which BTW I had 90-80, with Gonzalez losing a point in round 4 for headbutting. Something that quite honestly, both were guilty of.

 

Bob Foster vs Jorge Ahumada CARD:
1 NA
2 NA
3 NA
4 NA
5 JA
6 JA
7 JA
8 JA
9 BF
10 JA
11 JA
12 BF
13 BF
14 JA
15 BF

This fight could look a lot different if I played with slow mo or I was there but it’s as I see it from the film we have a good fight.
Both guys made themselves available to a point that point being when Foster gave up the idea of knocking Jorge out and boxed.
I saw Jorge doing visible damage he made rounds one sided and hurt him - the rounds Foster took however were mostly very competitive and hard won.
It felt like Jorge for probably 5 of those rounds controlled all of the acrion.
JA was 5 inches shorter he didn’t have an alternate route he was the ring general in this one.
I think in a 2nd fight Foster would’ve realised his mistake we’d have seen Bob box and bust him up slowly.

NOTE: I watched this just relaxing on the couch I wasn’t looking at it too deeply, enjoying it as a first time spectacle.

 

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A classic.

It was very close until the end.

Note also-well the Spanish speakers may note-how they mentioned the fight was being seen live in Mexico, Colombia and in Puerto Rico for free. I guess this was part of the golden era of free boxing on Puerto Rican TV that lasted from 1954 to about 1995?

I had it 57-57 until the stoppage.

 

Saw this awhile back and I too had it even. I recall scoring this and @Jel having it identical. So we, and the judges were all clearly watching the same fight, Antonio.

Alexis Arguello v Bobby Chacon (jr. lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Chacon
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
TKO - fight stopped between rounds due to a badly cut eye sustained by Chacon

Total through 7 completed rounds: 66-66 Even (actual scores: 67-66 twice for Chacon and a 67-66 for Arguello)

Although Chacon was never the force he was as a featherweight, he really gave it an admirable go of it here. Fighting an in and out type of fight he was really catching Arguello with those looping shots. Don't know how long he could have continued that way - that maneuver really tends to gas a fighter, but he gave it a good go anyway.

 

You remember correctly, Scar! Yep, we had it identical round for round. I remember being really excited about watching this but it didn’t really catch fire the way I hoped it would.

Alexis Arguello v Bobby Chacon

Some decent moments but not a great fight considering the fighters.

Arguello started slow and Chacon built up a bit of a lead before he was pegged back and then Chacon got cut at the end of the 6th. Bobby surprising in the way he went down in the 7th. He got back up of course but the cut put paid to it.

1 9-10 (close)
2 10-9 (some good exchanges)
3 9-10
4 9-10
5 9-10
6 10-9
7 10-8
(66-66)

 

Well I’ll jump in with my scoring of this one from early 2022. We obviously all saw the same fight:

Alexis Arguello (c) vs. Bobby Chacon for the WBC super featherweight championship, scheduled for 15 rounds on Nov. 16, 1979, at the Forum in Inglewood, Calif.

Both guys are hot coming into this one. Alexis is 59-5 and has won 28 of his last 29, with the lone loss a close decision to Vilomar Fernandez in a step up to try things out in lightweight. Bobby is 42-4-1, including 15-1-1 in his last 17, with a split decision loss to Arturo Leon and a technical draw against Bazooka Limon where he was ahead when it was stopped on cuts from a headbutt (would have been a technical decision for Chacon under today’s rules).

Alexis picks up $100K for his sixth defense of the 130-pound championship. Bobby makes $35K.

Round 1 — 10-9 Chacon: Probing round, not a lot happens, Bobby a little busier and lands a clean combo or two.

Round 2 — 10-9 Arguello: Good action round, Alexis gets and advantage of works Chacon over along the ropes pretty good. Bobby suffers a minor cut at the corner of his right eye.

Round 3 — 10-9 Chacon: Bobby is aggressive and lands some blistering combinations as he negotiates his way inside Arguello’s reach.

Round 4 — 10-9 Chacon: The Schoolboy works body and head and seems to really have the range, lot of snappy shots. Seems a smidgen ahead of Arguello at every turn.

Round 5 — 10-9 Chacon: Bobby boxes more and he’s busier, seems to be in command.

Round 6 — 10-9 Arguello: Alexis changes gears. He tightens up his defense and starts working his jab more, then times Chacon with counters. He lands some good shots late and is relentless as he rakes over Chacon and seizes back the momentum.

Round 7 — 10-8 Arguello: Bam. Alexis knocks Bobby down with a left in the first 10 seconds of the round. He follows up and can’t miss, opening up a bad cut along Chacón’s right eye. The doctor checks it out and lets it continue and they go to war … with Alexis landing hard shots at will while Bobby seems to be flailing away with no answers, unable to keep the champion off him. The pace finally slows a bit and then AA hurts Chacon again with a left late in the round.

Scoring: I had it 66-66 at the point of the stoppage. All three judges had it 67-66, with two favoring Chacon.

The referee stops the fight at the end of the round on the advice of the ringside physician due to the cut. Knowing Bobby, maybe he gets back into it if the cut doesn’t happen but it seems to me from the start of the sixth round on the light had come on for Arguello and he had Bobby completely figured out. He just couldn’t miss from that point and everything was landing with authority. And Bobby had no answers.

Good scrap for sure, two major talents meeting in their primes. You see some of the best of each, but I’m left without doubt that Arguello is the superior fighter.

 

Yeah it was that close!

 

D, I checked this fight out today and then checked to see if anyone else scored it. Pleasantly surprised to see you not only checked it out but we agreed on almost everything. Here we go..........

Wilfred Benitez v Bruce Curry II (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Benitez
Round 3: Curry
Round 4: Benitez
Round 5: Benitez
Round 6: Benitez
Round 7: Benitez
Round 8: Benitez
Round 9: Benitez
Round 10: Benitez

Total: 8-1-1 Benitez (actual scores: 7-3, 9-1 for Benitez and a 5-5 for a majority win for Benitez)

For the first 4 rounds I was waiting for something to happen, not believing this fight was a dud. Well, it wasn't. It became a fight in the 5th when Benitez began making a fight of it. Good win for Wilfred after their first controversial encounter. Don't know why the one judge scored a 5-5 when NY allowed supplemental points for an even card. Regardless, I enjoyed the last 6 rounds.

 

Tim Witherspoon vs. Renaldo Snipes, heavyweights, scheduled for 10 rounds at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas on June 5, 1982.

Renaldo is 25 years old and ranked No. 7 by the WBC with a 22-1-1 (11) record. He’s coming off a draw with Scott Frank, which was his first fight after knocking down and being stopped by Larry Holmes in a bid for the world title.

Witherspoon is 24, ranked No. 10 by the WBC with a 14-0 (11) record.

Both weigh 215 1/2.

1 — Snipes 10-9: Renaldo is on his bicycle sticking and moving. Not landing a lot but his flicking jab gets through just enough as Witherspoon is doling out punches at a rate as if each one costs him money.

2 — Snipes 10-9: More of the same. Tim misses badly a few times and hardly lands a punch, maybe one jab.

3 — Witherspoon 10-9: One big right hand a couple of rights to the body give him the advantage.

4 — Witherspoon 10-9: Good flurry of solid shots to the body and Renaldo can’t penetrate Tim’s defense.

5 — Witherspoon 10-9: More body work and one strong right; Snipes decides to stand flat-footed and even becomes the aggressor at points, lands a couple of clean left hooks.

6 — Snipes 10-9: He really stands his ground and comes alive as he grinds; not everything lands cleanly with Tim’s defense but a couple of rights and hooks get through.

7 — Snipes 10-9: He gets his jab going again and Witherspoon gets pretty lazy with his defense to let quite a few land flush.

8 — Witherspoon 10-9: Tim edges it with a few clean rights as a he potshots Renaldo, although Snipes is busier.

9 — Snipes 10-9: Another good right followed by a barrage to take it as he’s busier to the body and head and lands a couple of nice right hands.

10 — Witherspoon 10-9: Strong first minute gives it to him, although again Snipes is busier.

My card: 95-95, draw.

Official cards; 95-95, 96-94 and 96-95 for Witherspoon, who wins a majority decision.

Of note: Holmes is at ringside as he’s fighting Gerry Cooney at Caesars’ converted parking lot outside arena six days later.

Witherspoon challenges Holmes almost a year later in his next fight. Renaldo bounces back to decision Trevor Berbick next time out, then loses three in a row to go 1-5-1 in a stretch starting with the Holmes fight.

These two guys are a bit awkward and when you get two awkward guys facing each other there’s no telling how the styles will mesh: both missed a lot of punches badly and while there were some good sequences, their styles didn’t mesh for a good fight.

I can’t argue with the decision as a lot of rounds were lose and you could make a case for either guy winning by one or two points.

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I never knew this fight was out there. I often wondered about it thinking maybe it was a hometown decision or had Folley got old overnight. Anyways, despite the pink hue to the film, I really got into it. So here we go.....

Zora Folley v Brian London (British scoring of 5 to the winner and 4 3/4 to the loser)

Round 1: Folley
Round 2: London
Round 3: Even
Round 4: London
Round 5: London
Round 6: London
Round 7: London
Round 8: London
Round 9: London
Round 10: London

Total: 49 3/4 - 48 London (actual score by sole official Harry Gibb: 49 3/4 - 48 3/4 for London)

To begin, this had to have been an ad-hoc plan put together between rounds because Folley had a good first round sharp-shooting London with his straight shots. And if one was watching that first round only, I'm sure they would have said, "It's just a matter time." But after that round London began breathing down Folley's neck, stifling any attack Folley could mount by not allowing him the opportunity to unfurl his arms. London simply didn't have the kind of punch that would worry Folley, but his attack was constant while raining his clubbing punches on Zora. Folley complained that he didn't have enough time to train for this fight, which sounds funny as he fought app. 5 weeks earlier. I wonder if this bout was put together fast for such a statement?? Anyways, an outstanding win by London, regardless, and well deserved. If I'm reading the British scoring correctly, Gibbs had it 5-1-4 in rounds for London. A bit conservative for Gibbs who was known for a bit of national favoritism, but the proper man got it.

 

John Tate (c) vs. Mike Weaver, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBA heavyweight championship on March 31, 1980, at Stokley Athletics Center on the campus of the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

Tate, the hometown guy, is 20-0 (16) and making the first defense of the title he won by beating Gerrie Coetzee in South Africa in the championship round of the de facto WBA Tournament that came together when Muhammad Ali retired after beating Leon Spinks in their rematch. He stands 6-foot-4, weighs 232 and is 25 years old.

Weaver, 25, is 21-9 (13) is ranked No. 1 by the WBA, coming off two wins in a row (the latter a decision over Scott LeDoux for the USBA title) since his surprising performance in a KO loss to WBC boss Larry Holmes. He weighs 207 and stands 6-1.

Word is Tate will fight Ali next if he wins this one (with Ali having retired with the belt, people for sure knew he wasn’t what he once was but he also wasn’t forgotten and many thought he might be able to summon something deep inside to beat one (or both) of his successors.

I hadn’t watched this one since it happened, so I was interested to see if it was how I remembered.

Here we go:

1 — Tate 10-9: With the crowd chanting “Big John Tate” often throughout, the champ comes steadily forward and finds the range for his right hand after about a minute. He lands several thudding ones and also gets his jab going.

2 — Tate 10-9: John’s jab is better, he moves for the first minute then presses forward and does some really good body work when he pins Weaver on the ropes.

3 — Tate 10-9: It’s starting to become Tate’s right vs. Weaver’s left hook. Mike gets off a few and they have some mustard on them, but Tate is busier and he really works Weaver over whenever they’re at close quarters, which is much of the round.

4 — Tate 10-9: More rights and good body work. Jab looks good too, often doubling it.

5 — Tate 10-9 (close): Big John moves early and keeps his distance, Weaver gets though a few times but it’s all Tate later in the round to edge it.

6 — Weaver 10-9: Tate is really loose and moves well but he isn’t throwing a lot and he gives Weaver a bit of forward momentum. Mike lands some snappy shots in close to win a couple of key exchanges.

7 — Tate 10-9: Good action round as they stay in the pocket or even toe-to-toe. Weaver does some good work in spurts but Tate is too strong and works him over pretty good.

8 — Tate 10-9: John edges it late, outworking Mike, who lands a few good chopping shots.

9 — Tate 10-9: Came close to calling this 10-8. John doesn’t really hurt Weaver but he completely dominates, pinning him on the ropes a couple a times and raking him over with short, hard shots. Before the round, Weaver’s corner tells him “You’re down seven rounds. You gotta work. You gotta throw some GD punches!!!”

10 — Tate 10-9: John goes for the KO here, I think, when he has Weaver on the take with his back to the ropes. This may be a turning point as after this he doesn’t have the same snap. Weaver comes on too little, too late to win it, but he’s clearly still hanging around.

11 — Tate 10-9: This was a round off. John moves and jabs and Weaver, who has a very low punch output to this point, basically follows him around and does nothing.

12 — Weaver 10-9: Aha! Big left hook counter by Weaver wobbles Tate badly and Mike goes for it. Tate does a good job of tying Weaver up and moving when separated. Weaver gets to him a couple more times but doesn’t do quite as much damage as Tate survives. But now we’ve got a fight.

13 — Tate 10-9: John stays on his toes, moving well, the whole round. John jabs his way to taking this one and seems to have his feet back under him and his head cleared by the end.

14 — Even 9-9: Weaver, warned twice earlier, has a point deducted for a low blow. Mike otherwise wins the round as he really presses in desperation and tags Tate with one clean hook but it doesn’t seem to do any real damage.

15 — Weaver continues as in the 14th. He gets Tate, who’s tying up, moving and trying to survive (with bursts of offense), on the ropes. Pushes him into the ropes and digs a hard straight right to the gut as John bounces back into him and then lands the prayer of a left hook and knocks John out cold at 2:15. While Tate is being counted out, Weaver tries to do a flip and lands on his backside and just lays in the ring taking in what he’s accomplished.

My card at the time of stoppage: Tate 137-128. Official adds: 138-133, 137-134, 136-133 … these guys must have been handing out even rounds like candy on Halloween.

Looking back, as much as I like Weaver, it’s kind of sad because Tate is a really good and well-schooled fighter. For a big man he reminds me of Bowe on the inside as he works body and head so well (although I think only one good uppercut). He has good mobility and upper-body movement. His jab is nice and stiff (although he flicks it sometimes) and he throws really nice combinations — hooks off the jab, comes back with the hook off the right, double-hooks a few times.

Aside from his chin (and maybe fortitude) getting exposed here and vs. Trevor Berbick, he’s the most complete big man I’ve seen to that time. Really a shame he didn’t get to completely blossom, but fatal flaws in boxing have a way of coming to the surface.

Weaver, what can I say. He rose to the moment and was really picking it up the last few rounds so it wasn’t completely out of nowhere. Can’t help but like and root for him.

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Of note: This was televised by ABC on a Monday night as part of an I-kid-you-not quadruple-header from three different locations. On the undercard in Knoxville, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad stopped Marvin Johnson for the WBA light heavyweight title as part of the televised festivities (and Clint Jackson beat Jimmy Heair off TV), while in Landover, Maryland, Ray Leonard iced Dave Boy Green and in Las Vegas, Holmes stopped Leroy Jones.

 

What a card!