the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Sal, I hope a few more of our posters check these out. We seem to be in a real dry spell for competitive matches, but these two fights ticked every box for me.

 

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Brutal fight.

Joey Curtis was slow in stopping it, which makes me wonder about Weaver-Dokes I....

 

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It was so different in the pros.....

 

Antonio, also check out Wilfredo Gomez against Derrick Holmes. Gomez decked Holmes 8 times in the 5 rounds it lasted and broke his jaw before Joey Curtis stopped the fight. He was an old school referee who was known for letting fights go on too long. The Leonard-Ranzany fight is another example. You're right to be suspicious about the Dokes-Weaver fight. He said afterwards, "I don't want another Du Koo-Kim on my hands." Referencing the recent Mancini-Kim tragedy. OK, so he's a changed man, right? Well, then watch his handling of the Livingstone Bramble v Tyrone Crawley fight. It looks like he's back to type, letting a fight go on too long. So again, you're right to be suspicious of the first Dokes-Weaver fight.

 

Oscar DeLaHoya v Julio Cesar Chavez II (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 ODLH
Round 2: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-9 ODLH
Round 5: 10-9 ODLH
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 ODLH
Round 8: 10-9 ODLH (best round)
Chavez retires between rounds

Total through 8 completed rounds: 78-75 Oscar (actual scores: 78-75, 78-75 and 79-73 all for Oscar)

This is the first time I'm revisiting this fight since it took place. And it was a good fight compared to their first debacle. After the 6th round - which I scored for Chavez - I heard Gil Clancy say between rounds to "use your legs, use the ring", which he did in the 7th, boxing a masterpiece. I think it was the end of that round Oscar got one in a bit late and one could see Chavez winding up a left hook to Oscar who was already walking back to his corner. If it wasn't for Chavez' corner grabbing him, there may have been some extra-curricular fireworks that round. But in the 8th Oscar went back in the trenches with Chavez and produced the best action round. Without knowing the language one could see Chavez was quitting between rounds. Like it or not - and I was always a Chavez fan - it's a definite footnote on his career that he would look to bail when things got overly tough. He was always so dominant that it never really came up until he was older and to be frank, he wasn't a real welterweight either. But taking nothing from Oscar's performance, he was brilliant here and sampled some excellent shots from Chavez. Totally enjoyed this again.

 

I’m not willing to go the ‘Joey Curtis was crooked’ route because he was so roundly criticized for the quick Dokes-Weaver stoppage that he may very well have reverted to type because of that scrutiny … and maybe subtle (or even overt) feedback from his bosses at the commission that if he was going to pull the chicken switch that fast he’d lose assignments to top fights.

And I can also believe that Mancini-Kim affected a lot of people — hell, it was the impetus to doing away with 15-round fights across the world (not immediately, but that movement stemmed from that one fight more than ny other event) so of course it would affect one man.

But I really wanted to comment on the Gomez-Kelly fight. Some of those times he went down without being hit or barely being hit … kind of a tough call on a ref if the guy is going down so much but he’s also not taking heavy shots. I think in some cases they’d wave it off and basically question his heart, which would have been a travesty because it’s one of the guttiest, grittiest things that’s ever happened in the ring.

Why? Because while no one knew it at the time, it was a compound fracture of the jaw, not a hairline crack … it severed not only his jaw, but a tooth (with all those raw nerves) broke completely in half, split down the middle along the fracture line. The pain must have been unimaginable, yet he kept trying to fight on. It’s a miracle imo that he didn’t pass out from sheer pain. We learned this after he went to the hospital and The Ring actually ran images of the x-ray to show the horror of that split jaw and tooth.

I don’t think Joey Curtis was a great ref by any means, but I don’t think he was crooked. And while the Dokes-Weaver stoppage was premature, Weaver needs to look in the mirror. If a guy knocks you down and you get up and let him run 30 punches on you without throwing anything back, don’t blame the ref — he can’t read your mind. If you’re OK, then throw a freaking punch … or grab and clinch or something to show the world that you’re not just an out-on-your-feet punching bag at that point. Don’t tell me how you’re fine … SHOW me that you’re fine.

 

You're right! I saw that fight!

TBH I am suspect everyone in the first Weaver-Dokes affair, Weaver included. I think when Weaver says he "heard" the fix was on, he is just trying to hint something. No disrespect to him, of course, he was an excellent fighter and a very hard hitting world champion, but with the types of people involved in these things, sometimes you have to comply.

 

I have to be fair....

Weaver wasnt really responding...

 

The ref had a quick trigger, but: You’ve been knocked down, you say you’re OK, yet you let the guy run 30-odd punches on you without throwing back or moving or clinching or doing ANYTHING to let the ref and the audience know you’re OK — you have to take some responsibility for allowing it to be stopped. If you’re punching back, you have an argument.

 

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A learning experience for Sugar Ray, with a very interesting ninth round. No, Dickie, it was not a knockdown.

I had Leonard, 100-88.

 

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What a left hook at the end!

 

Talking of Gomez-Holmes...

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I had it 40-30 after that ridiculous 4th round..i dont ever remember scoring another round 10-5..

 

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This is a shorter version of the fight.

Great fight!

 

Posted elsewhere about this: Holmes put on one of the most courageous performances I’ve ever witnessed. We later learned that his jaw had sustained a compound fracture (as in a clean break, not a hairline ‘crack’) and along with it, a tooth was literally split in half with all those raw nerves exposed (in half not as in the top half came off, as in right down the middle).

The pain must have been excruciating, but he kept trying to get up and wouldn’t quit.

 

Thomas Tate v Omar Sheika (vacant USBA super middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Tate
Round 2: 10-7 Sheika (scores a knockdown and administers a battering)
Round 3: 10-8 Sheika (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Tate
Bout is stopped by the doctor between rounds due to a severe right eye by Sheika

Total through 4 completed rounds: 38-35 Sheika (actual scores not known)

This was one of these wild shootouts that Sheika was known for and it was really letting everything let loose when the fight was stopped. Would have loved a few more rounds but it is what it is. Explosive.