the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Ruben Olivares v Jesus Pimental (bantamweight title) (California scoring)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Olivares
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Pimental
Round 5: Olivares
Round 6: Olivares (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: Olivares
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Olivares
Round 10: Olivares
Round 11: Olivares
Pimental is retired by his corner at the end of the 11th

Total through 11 completed rounds: 9-1 Olivares (actual scores: 8-1, 9-3 and 9-2 all for Olivares)

Although having seen this bout several times, this is the first time scoring it. That 4th round is up there with the second fight between Basilio and DeMarco where Basilio came so close to going down. In this fight, Ruben dropped to almost a sitting position but his mitts did not touch down, so it was adjudged correctly as no knockdown. Little Poison gave it his all, but it was too late in the day for him and it was fortunate Hula Harry pulled him out when he did.

 

Definitely should have had Jesus Pimento in our Boxers Who Are Cheeses thread.

 

LOL!

 

Michael Spinks v Oscar Rivadeneyra (light heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
Round 5: 10-9 Spinks
Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
Round 9: 10-9 Spinks
Round 10: Spinks drops Oscar twice when the towel is thrown in

Total through 9 completed rounds: 90-83 (actual scores: 89-82, 88-85 and 89-86 all for Spinks)

I was in the mood for a good Michael Spinks fight but this wasn't it. It was a rather passive performance by Spinks, like he never went into his next gear. Oscar was just a clubbing puncher who made a few rounds close and one has to wonder how he was the WBA's #1 contender. Oh, wait, did I say WBA? Never mind, so. The only 2 recognizable fighters on his record was a 10 round win over Jerry Celestine and a NC with journeyman James Williams. Amazing! After this he had 4 more fights over the next 7 years and he disappeared into the same ether he emerged from. Give this a pass if you're looking for a good fight.

 

I’d recommend Michael’s fights with Yaqui Lopez (Yaqui always brought it) and his first fight with Murray Sutherland if you’re looking for more competitive, action-filled scraps involving him.

 

I've watched and scored the Yaqui Lopez fight and have seen the first Sutherland fight when it took place, but will check it out again to score. Thanks, Pat

 

Here’s my take on Spinks-Sutherland I from when I reviewed it in early March of this year. I saw it when it happened but upon rewatch was impressed with Murray’s hand speed and spirit. The video link is at the bottom if you want an easy way to dial it up.

Here it is:

Michael Spinks (c) vs. Murray Sutherland II on April 11, 1982, 15 rounds for the WBA light heavyweight title at Playboy Resort and Casino in Atlantic City, NJ.

Spinks, 19-0 (13), is making his third title defense. He weighs 172. He is from St Louis and fights out of Philadelphia.

Sutherland, 31-6 (28), weighs 173 3/4, which is deceiving because he came in over the 175-pound light heavyweight limit at the same-day morning weigh-in and had to take some weight off to make it on his second try. The challenger from Scotland is making his second attempt at a world belt, having been stopped by Matthew Saad Muhammad about a year before. He won four fights in between and is the USBA champ (or at least he had held it but it’s unclear if he had given it up before this fight as he never defended it).

Spinks and Sutherland met two years before, with Murray going the 10-round distance.

1. Spinks 10-9: Competitive, but Spinks takes it with his jab. Murray tries to roughhouse a bit and maul Michael in close when he gets the opportunity.

2. Sutherland 10-9: Murray is aggressive and relentless for 3 minutes. He doesn’t land a ton of clean shots but he gets through enough with his high workrate. Lands one sharp right and does some good body work. Michael is bleeding inside his mouth by round’s end. Murray has better hand speed than you’d expect.

3. Spinks 10-9: Michael rocks Sutherland with a big right early and controls things with a stiff jab.

4. Spinks 10-9: Chews Murray up with crisp, hard shots in close.

5: Sutherland 10-9: Works for 3 full minutes to out-hustle Spinks. But by round’s end, Murray has a mouse under his right eye and is looking a bit ragged.

6. Spinks 10-9: Michael walks his man down and batters Sutherland around. Lands a big left hook early. Murray lands his best his best shot of the fight, a sizzling right, but it barely registers with Michael.

7. Spinks 10-9: Pace slows. Sutherland does very little. Michael has a couple of flurries to take it.

8. Spinks stops Murray at 1:24. A left hook followed soon after by a right has Murray stumbling around. Michael pounces and Sutherland turns away and staggers into the ropes, bringing an 8-count from referee Zach Clayton, who presumably makes the call that the ropes held Murray up. Spinks unloads, putting Sutherland down with a right. He goes down again from a right and left hook that barely graze him as he falls to his knees.

My card: Spinks 68-65. Official cards: 67-66, 68-65 and 69-66, all for Spinks.

Murray goes on to win the vacant IBF super middle title two years later. Michael basically cleans out the division before moving up to heavyweight and dethroning Larry Holmes.

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Today I checked out this fight after seeing you mention it. Mostly because I love Michael Carbajal fights. Here we go...

Michael Carbajal v Javier Varguez (lt. flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Varguez
Round 2: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 3: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 4: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 5: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 6: 9-9 Even (Varguez' round but docked a point for a low blow)
Round 7: 10-8 Varguez (Carbajal docked a point for a low blow)
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Varguez
Round 10: 9-9 Even (Varguez' round but docked another point for a low blow)
Round 11: 10-9 Carbajal
Round 12: 10-9 Carbajal

Total: 114-112 Carbajal (actual scores: 116-110, 116-109 and another 116-109)

This fight was fantastic! Real Ali-Frazier warfare. Varguez was a real revelation to anyone - including myself - who had never heard of him. I did think Richard Steele was a bit heavy-handed with the point deductions. This style was always going to elicit some stray shots and I mean on both parts as they both love the body. This was a close fight, despite those scores which I cannot agree with. I can't say enough about this fight other than OUTSTANDING.

 

Jawaid Khaliq v Jan Bergman (some crap version of the welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Bergman
Round 2: 10-8 Khaliq (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Bergman
Round 4: 10-9 Bergman
Round 5: 10-8 Bergman (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Khaliq (both fighters score knockdowns but Bergman was clearly hurt, so advantage to Khaliq)
Round 7: Khaliq drops Bergman and the referee stops the bout due to a cut on Bergman's left eye.

Total through 6 completed rounds: 57-55 Bergman (actual scores not known)

Another one of our posters didn't think much of this fight but I enjoyed it for the drama. It unfolded like Kaylor-Christie but without the animosity and the unruly crowd that went with that grudge match. On its own I enjoyed it. If you're watching you'll have to catch what Jim Watt is saying at ringside. He was a real Khaliq cheerleader and had him ahead, which I simply did not see.

 

Ali vs Frazier of the smaller weights,very much true,this fight is a big punchfest.

 

Carbajal was must-watch for me.

 

Hector Camacho vs. Louis Loy, scheduled for 10 rounds, lightweights, from the Felt Forum at Madison Square Garden in NYC on July 11, 1982.

Camacho, 15-0, is fresh off winning the NABF junior lightweight title with a one-round KO of Refugio Rojas and scales 132.

Loy, 15-0-1, is the Pacific Northwest junior lightweight champ. He has a decent win over veteran Frankie Moultrie and beat a couple of guys with 12-0, 11-1 type records. Loy is a former California Golden Gloves champ and made it to the Olympic Trials (losing to Irving Mitchell), so he has enough of a pedigree to make it an intriguing matchup at this stage of their careers.

But Hector’s in a completely different class. The southpaw from Puerto Rico is a blur when he throws punches.

I’ll make it quick as this was one-sided but a fantastic display of talent by Hector. Scoring in NY is on the round system.

1. HC: Hector’s jab is on point and he flashes that speed in combinations. Loy stalks and gets through in spots but not enough.

2. HC: Camacho knocks Loy down with a three-punch combo right at the start of the round. Loy is a tough guy and weathers it, but by round’s end he’s cut above his right eye and blow his left.

3. HC: Bit of drama as Hector’s corner forgets to put in his mouthpiece, and in NYC at the time they don’t break for that. So he boxes brilliantly for three minutes, dominating with potshots and staying out of harm’s way.

4. HC: Loy’s left eye is starting to swell shut. He’s game but eating leather. Hector gets cute spinning him around and such but Louis can’t do much about it. He lands a few good body shots here and there but nothing of consequence.

5. HC: Loy comes even faster and harder but by mid-round he seems to have accepted that he just can’t get past Camacho’s flashy combos and that jab that keeps landing.

6. HC. More of the same. When Louis seems to have Hector backed up and trapped along the ropes, Camacho just zips a quick combo and turns him around. Over and over.

7. Camacho gets a hard warning from referee Tony Perez when he spins Loy into the ropes and reaches around to hit him in the mouth from behind. Right after, Hector gets aggressive and unloads a blinding fury of seems like 15 or 20 unanswered punches. Perez steps in to stop it as Loy falls into the ropes under the assault.

Camacho 6-0. No way to see it any different. Brilliant talent.

I think this was Hector’s national TV debut in America. CBS televised and the team of Gil Clancy and TIm Ryan (one of the best duos in boxing broadcast history, maybe the best) were effusive in their praise for Camacho’s coming out party.

Paging @AntonioMartin1 for a look.

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Well laid out, Pat.

 

Lennox Lewis vs Henry Akinwande

I was watching Paulie Malinaggi and Chris Algieri talking boxing on Probox TV and this fight came up as an example of when two tall guys meet. I had seen bits and pieces of this fight before but never watched it all the way through.

I don't know why I subjected myself to such torture, this has to be the worst or among the worst fights I have seen.

Akinwande was always a fighter that perplexed me. You look at his record on boxrec and he has some good wins on his resume. He was a tall big guy but he doesn't seem to get much attention or respect. Did this fight single handily tank his reputation? Did he ever get on a major main event again? Was he ever a serious contender after this?

It was weird, Akinwande had success when he actually decided to throw punches and arguably scored a knockdown in the third round when a right hand connected high on Lennox's head and his glove touched

I applaud Mills Lane for taking a point as early as round 2 to try and put an end to the BS but he waited far too long to act. The HBO crew was going on and on about how tough the assignment was for Lane and how he was doing his best but I kept thinking, you took a point in round 2, the same holding is occurring, why aren't more points being taken. A lot was made of the last 365 days of Golota being DQ'd and Tyson being DQ'd and some of the other unusual heavyweight moments like McCall 2 and Mills maybe trying to avoid controversy.

I had it a shutout along with the point deduction. Lederman gave Akinwande round 3 seemingly because he felt Lane missed the knockdown.

 

Roberto Duràn vs Robbie Sims(MW,no title fight)
One of the underrated fights of Duràn's career,but I scored the fight for Sims despite rooting for Duràn,he fought really well tho,I can only give Sims a victory by 2 points.