the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

2001-09-24 Masamori Tokuyama UD12 Gerry Penalosa I (WBC Super Flyweight)
Round 1: 10:9*
Round 2: 10:9
Round 3: 9:10*
Round 4: 9:10
Round 5: 10:9
Round 6: 9:10
Round 7: 10:9
Round 8: 10:9
Round 9: 9:10
Round 10: 10:9
Round 11: 9:10
Round 12: 9:10*
Final Score: 114:114 Draw (Official Scorecards: 115:113 - 116:113 - 115:113 Tokuyama)

Excellent fight, real quality there.
Before tuning it - I looked at it as a fight to validate Tokuyama as a champion. He beat In-Joo Cho in dominant fashion twice, but only reason Cho was holding a title was the help He got from the judges when Penalosa clearly bested him, at least in the second fight that I watched.
Penalosa - judging aside - was also taking on much difficult challange than when He went to South Korea. Tokuyama, while similar with style and frame, was much more gifted and athlethic boxer than Cho.
Before the fight, The Ring had Tokuyama ranked number 1, with Penalosa at number 4.

Fight had it's ebbs and flows. There were times when I thought that Penalosa had Tokuyama right where He wanted him - round 4 and 8 were two big rounds for him, but each time - Tokuyama, despite looking tired, was able to come right back into the fight. Part of it is perhaps Penalosa not picking up the pace, but I was also impressed by Tokuyama's ability to fight through fatigue and keep his discipline and sharpness of mind under pressure.
I ended up scoring it a draw, with some close ones which could swing it one way or the other. Unsurprisingly - hometown fighter got the call, but this time, I did not feel that Penalosa had a right to complain. Tokuyama's quickness troubled him, He did get hit far more than He usually did and fight was genuinly close.
The two would go at it again some 15 months later. I should get to it in a couple weeks time.

 

Paulie Ayala vs Bones Adam's, 122 pounds.

Great fight between 2 of the better little men in the sport of the 90s and 2000's. I had it 115-113 to Adams, but rewatching it with the scores turned in by the judges it seems that all 3 judges gave Ayala a 10-8 Round in the 2nd? I didn't think that was a 2 point round and ultimately it swung the fight in Ayalas favor. I thought a draw was fair, I guess you can sway the 11th in Ayalas favor, which would have given him a draw on my card. It was a close fight but Adam's should have been given the decision IMO.

115-113 Clarence Bones Adams.

 

Carlos Palomino vs Hedgemon Lewis

1 Lewis
2 Palomino
3 Lewis
4 Lewis
5 Palomino
6 Palomino
7 Palomino
8 Lewis
9 Palomino
10 Palomino

Palomino 96-94

Solid fight this fought at a good pace with an interesting clash of styles the stylish boxer vs the come forward aggressor.

Firstly i'd like to point out the commentator was heavily biased in favour of Lewis, he barely called any good work from Palomino and he seemed convinced Lewis was a clear winner and was giving Palomino a boxing lesson ? what fight did he watch ?

Overall this was a fight of two halves Lewis started off well in the first 4 rounds getting off first and his faster handspeed was winning the exchanges. But Lewis stopped using his legs after the 5th round probably fatigue and Palomino was able to be the effective aggressor landing good body shots and i thought Palomino did enough down to the stretch to win a close decision.

I wouldn't say a draw was the worst result it was very competitive but i did feel like Palomino did have slightly the better of the contest overall and he finished alot stronger.

There was 2 big rounds for each fighter the 4th round for Lewis where he seemed to hurt Palomino with a good body shot that stopped him in his tracks. And the 9th round for Palomino where he wobbled Lewis with a good left hook.

All in all not a bad fight and very competitive but i feel like Palomino deserved to edge it.

 

Palomino was excellent,he starts slow while sneaking body blows to your torso,and when you got fatigue,he starts to pound punishment on you,pound some more and more,until you crumble into the canvas,brutal beauty.

 

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Good fight,I scored it 5-3-1 for Duràn before the stoppage,for me Marcel did well but as the rounds went by Duràn was starting to drop his stamina,thus blowing every round Marcel had a chance of winning,I'd say Marcel rallied good in the 9th,but too bad he didn't make much of the momentum in the 10th,great fight, Duràn was already ATG at a young age, Ernesto Marcel,imo deserves to be in the IBHOF.

 

D, scored it a while back. This is what I wrote:

Hedgemon Lewis vs. Carlos Palomino

I scored this bout several years ago and had it 5-4-1 in rounds for Lewis. Sat down now to rewatch and again, I have it close but slightly different. I don't have my original scorecard, but wouldn't be surprised if some of my rounds were different - that's the kind of fight it was, very close. Anyways, here we go, California scoring in effect. One point for a round and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Lewis
Round 2: Lewis
Round 3: Lewis
Round 4: Lewis
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Palomino
Round 7: Palomino
Round 8: Palomino (I briefly hesitated between an even round - that close)
Round 9: Palomino
Round 10: Even

Total: 4-4 Draw (actual scores: 6-3 Palomino and 2 even scores of 4-4 and 3-3 for a majority draw)

I was good with the draw. Even with my original score of 5-4 I was good with the draw. These are some very close rounds where Lewis dominated from the outside and Palomino dominated on the infighting. Good fight. Incidentally, a rematch was scheduled, but Lewis got the offer to fight John Stracey for the title and the only way Aileen Eaton allowed that rematch to be cancelled was for Mickey Duff to agree to sign Carlos Palomino for the title in the event that Stracey won. And the rest is history.

 

I have to check this out. The only time I’d come across it before, the video was very ratty and not clear enough to tell what was going on. Thanks for posting the video.

 

Interesting backstory. Hadn’t known that before.

 

15 years later; 884 pages...nice to see my old thread still going strong.

I rewatched Kalambay vs Collins earlier for the first time in many years but stopped scoring it after only giving Collins 2 of the first 9, with one even.

This was always one of those fights I struggled to see why some saw it as controversial, even though the methodology for them doing so is obvious: they favour workrate and aggression over low-output precision. Which is fine; sometimes I do as well, but to me, landing clean, effective scoring punches are the key component regardless of your approach, and Collins in this bout hits next to nothing but gloves, arms, and air. He probably threw four times as many punches but never managed to pin down Kalambay or control the range. When he tries to overwhelm with combinations after a swift rush forward, he still can't get through with anything, and his form fragments to the point that if he does land, it's usually with no leverage or weight behind it at all.

It's a surprising last-hurrah win for Kalambay, really. He was 36, starting to look less active and obviously slower of hand/foot/reflex. His previous fight (and defence of his Euro title) with Herol Graham had looked like a rematch between two faded fighters on the way out, which made for a compelling, surprisingly gruelling fight that became a grinding contest of who still had enough well-oiled parts to prevail. It was also genuinely controversial. Graham's effort finished him as a competitive middleweight, and he'd lose to the British title-level Frank Grant in his next fight before retiring for the first time. Kalambay, who probably lost that fight to Graham and looked significantly diminished in offensive timing, reflexes, hand and foot speed, seemed to have a much tougher task for his follow-up, one that you could be forgiven for expecting to end similarly.

Collins, on the other hand, comes into this fight in his prime and with the vital learning experience of the McCallum and Sweet Reggie Johnson world title challenges now behind him. His style seems ideally suited to grinding out a win here—maybe even some sort of late stoppage. Instead, Kalambay somehow regains some defensive sharpness and timing. He's not got the workrate of old or even the previous fight, but his jab is accurate, and Collins just can't land meaningful scoring punches. Collins throws so much more early that I can see giving him an even share of the first four as Kalambay isn't landing much either, but by the mid-rounds he's standing in with Collins more and is the only one doing relatively regular clean work despite a consistently lower output. Cuffing, no leverage punches that hit arms, and some lighter pawing jabs vs clean jabs, nice flush right hands and counter uppercuts, as well as often scoring to the body with punches that seem to take the steam out of Collins pressure and bother him. Steve gets notably staggered by an uppercut and doesn't even look the stronger man in a lot of these rounds; if Kalambay backs up, it's more often than not in a manner entirely under his control.

Kalambay shows surprising legs by going stick and move to see the championship rounds out, but I thought this suited Collins as he was no longer really getting countered; it gave him the chance to compose some longer punches, and when they landed, they were actually clean-scoring punches, rather than crowding out his own work with arm-flailing slop that barely merits recognition at closer range. I'd possible give Collins two of the last three on workrate due to that, but they were still close, and he couldn't pin the slick old **** (as Hopkins would say) down.

 

Rewatched Kenny Norton-Larry Holmes. The last legendary battle of the 70's. Arguably in my top 5 favorite heavyweight bouts.

 

Tokuyama is better than he was credited for definitely,he had a big heart for an outboxer.

 

Great to see you back Mantequilla/lora.

Btw do you know if Raging Bull is still with us. Haven't heard from in a long time.

 

I didn't post the video,lol ,but I recommend you to see it and look for more Ernesto Marcel fights,if you like Sugar Ray Leonard then Marcel is for you,he had the style mix of Duràn's infighting and Leonard's outboxing.

 

Welcome back! Nice to see you round these parts again

 

Ebo Elder v Courtney Burton (12 rounds)

Round 1: 10-9 Burton
Round 2: 10-9 Elder
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Elder
Round 5: 10-9 Elder
Round 6: 10-8 Burton (Elder docked a point for a low blow)
Round 7: 10-9 Elder
Round 8: 10-9 Elder
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Elder
Round 11: 10-9 Elder
Round 12: Elder drops Burton twice before the fight is stopped

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-103 Elder (actual full scores not known other than one score of 104-104)

Let me tell ya...wow! What a fight and what a finish. Despite my score, this was one close fight with fireworks in most every round. I leaned towards Elder on an impressive workrate, but truth be told, Burton landed some beauties that could have swayed most cards, including mine if I watched it again. Very close and a terrific fight.