the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Watching some 70's bouts this morning...

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Aaron Pryor vs Leonidas Asprilla

1 Pryor
2 Pryor
3 Pryor 10-8 knockdown
4 Pryor
5 Asprilla
6 Asprilla
7 Pryor
8 Pryor
9 Pryor
10 Pryor wins by TKO

88-82 Pryor

Watched this based on @Russell thread i don't think i've seen this fight before one of the few Pryor fights i haven't seen. But basically Pryor won a majority of the rounds doing what he always does with relentless aggression. But Asprilla would land some dangerous looking counter shots now and again catching Pryor when he was on the attack, Asprilla would hold his hands up high hoping to block Pryor's relentless assault and then swing a hard counter in between shot looking to knock Pryor out. And to be fair to Asprilla i thought he had a decent little run during the middle rounds as he visibly hurt and rocked Pryor a few times with flush hard counter shots. If Asprilla was in there with a lesser fight he might of scored the stoppage but Pryor is ridiculously tough and weather the storm to batter Asprilla in the later rounds forcing the stoppage.

Good fight although Pryor won most of the rounds on sheer workrate there was at times earlier in the fight that Asprilla may turn it around as he looked dangerous with those counter shots.

 

Michael Nunn vs John Scully

1 Nunn
2 Scully
3 Nunn
4 Nunn
5 Scully
6 Scully
7 Scully
8 Scully
9 Nunn
10 Nunn
11 Nunn
12 Scully

114-114 Draw

@scartissue i decided to watch this fight again after talking about with you and i'd say its definitely worth a watch plenty of action with Nunn being very aggressive. This will come down to what you like more do you like more Scully's tight defence with his cleaner accurate counter shots ? or Nunn's superior workrate more flashy work but less accurate punches.

Ok so i decided to watch this fight again it's been a long time but i didn't remember Scully fighting mostly southpaw for most of the fight. For this type of fight you have to watch carefully because Nunn was throwing alot of punches between 90-100 punches a round, but alot of the punches were arm punches and blocked on Scully's arms and gloves. Whilst i do think Nunn did win rounds on sheer aggression and workrate alone there is some rounds that i do think Scully landed the much better cleaner/harder punches in a round.

The first 4 rounds i thought Nunn clearly outworked Scully in most of the rounds as Scully just wasn't active enough even though he would occasionally land solid counter shots but for the most part Nunn pounded away at Scully on the ropes and won the rounds on sheer workrate. The fight turned around between rounds 5-8 as Scully started to be more aggressive on the front foot landing solid southpaw right hooks and i think he stunned Nunn quite badly in the 8th round with a right hook aswell.

With Nunn maybe sensing the fight was getting too close for comfort he started to go on his bicycle and box at range, and i thought he outhustled and outboxed Scully from rounds 9-11 as Scully couldn't find Nunn who wasn't active enough overall. Round 12 i thought Scully stole the round with cleaner punches making it a draw on my card.

Overall as i said a solid entertaining fight worth watching but a fight you have to watch closely as alot of Nunn's punches did htt Scully on the arms and gloves even if Nunn's work looked more flashy. The judges scorecards were disgraceful 120-108, 118-110, 119-109, some of the worst scorecards i've ever seen in a fight that was this competitive.

 

Watching Sal Sanchez do his thing, already a master at 17.

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Manny Pacquiao vs Timothy Bradley 1

1 Bradley close
2 Pacquiao competitive but clear round IMO
3 Pacquiao clear round
4 Pacquiao clear round Bradley got rocked
5 Pacquiao clear round Bradley wobbled at the end
6 Pacquiao slow round Pacquiao won it with the better work in the last 50 seconds
7 Pacquiao competitive round but Pacquiao landed better punches
8 Pacquiao slow round but Pacquiao landed the better punches again
9 Bradley close Bradley stole it with his good work down the stretch
10 Bradley his best round of the fight clear round
11 Pacquaio close round stole it with better work down the stretch
12 Bradley decent round for Bradley

116-112 Pacquiao

I have the same score that i had when i watched it at the time 116-112 for Pacquiao, my issue with this fight is that i don't see many clear rounds for Bradley. He was competitive in this fight as i said before but i didn't see him winning many clear rounds until the last few rounds where Pacquiao slowed down.

Final thoughts could i possibly see a draw at a stretch ? yes. But i don't see any argument for Bradley winning this fight hence it's still a bad decision IMO. I think anywhere between 116-112, 115-113, for Pacquiao are the right scores.

 

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Ricky Hatton vs Luis Collazo

1 Hatton 10-8 knockdown
2 Collazo close round
3 Hatton competitive
4 Hatton good round for Hatton until last 20 secs
5 Collazo clear round
6 Collazo clear round
7 Hatton good comeback round
8 Hatton another good round for Hatton
9 Hatton his type of round on the inside
10 Collazo good comeback round landed the better punches
11 Hatton competitive but Hatton did the better work
12 Collazo big round Hatton badly rocked

115-112 Hatton

No robbery here Hatton made it his type fight on the inside more often than not and he simply outworked Collazo to win a close decision. Collazo had some good moments and won his fair share of rounds but i'm sorry this is not even remotely comparable to Pacquiao/Bradley in regards to controversy.

Acceptable scores are 115-112, 114-113, for Hatton and 114-113 for Collazo no wider for either man.

PS me and Harold Lederman only disagreed on the 4th round.

 

2012-06-09 Timothy Bradley Jr. SD12 Manny Pacquiao I (WBO Welterweight Title)
Round 1: 9:10
Round 2: 9:10
Round 3: 9:10*
Round 4: 10:9*
Round 5: 9:10
Round 6: 10:9*
Round 7: 9:10
Round 8: 9:10
Round 9: 10:9*
Round 10: 10:9
Round 11: 10:9
Round 12 :10:9
Final Score: 114:114 Draw

First of all, I really enjoyed watching this fight with alternative commentary. Having watched it before, I was always frustrated by what could only be described as propaganda effort of the HBO, led by Jim Lampley. Top Rank broadcasters - Brian Kenny and Mario Lopez - called it as an excellent, high level and close fight that it was.
@Dynamicpuncher couple disagreements with Your scored would be on the rounds:
4 - I don't believe Bradley was hurt. I'm pretty positive it was the round where He rolled his ankle. It was Bradley round before that sequence - and He landed the best punch of that round, in my view after that - just at the bell, catching Pacquiao with overhand right in the exchange.
11 - Clear Bradley round in my opinon, his jab worked really well, He outlanded Pacquiao by big margin and Manny did not land anything too significt himself to make up for it.

I gave Pacquiao one more round than last time I saw this fight - I also felt He had more clear rounds, but still don't see a robbery here. Bradley finished stronger, He took the final 4 rounds (maybe 9-th could be debated) - and then the question is how many of close rounds in the first 8 could You give him. Pacquiao certainly had advantage in that stage of the fight, but it was hotly contested and competitive.
Close fight which could've gone either way. Pacquiao had couple of those go his way - 2 of the fights with Marquez in particular - here one went the other way.

I'll look for better version of Hatton vs Collazo before rescoring it properely.

 

Top rank were also very biased themselves towards Bradley one commentator suggesting Bradley could be 3-0 up after 3 rounds ? Is utterly ridiculous. Competitive fight that Pacquiao clearly won IMO at a stretch possibly a draw but I don't see any argument for Bradley getting a win still a bad decision in that regard.

 

Brian Kenny liked Bradley's work - even moreso than me and I certainly did not agree with his take on the early rounds. Mario Lopez - other commentator - gave me impression that He thought Pacquiao won.
One way or the other They were certainly not as intrusive with their opinions as HBO - and even Brian's 116:112 Bradley scorecards is way more sensible than the lazy 119:109 Pacquiao scorecard that Harold Lederman put together on the night.

Well, agree to disagree - I enjoyed rewatching it, so thanks for the discussion that led to it. Will see about Collazo and Hatton.

 

Both broadcasts were pretty bad IMO top rank were too biased towards Bradley and HBO were gushing over Pacquiao.

I think the balanced opinion to have is no Pacquiao wasn't dominating but I think his rounds were clearer and I think he has a stronger argument to winning than Bradley has.

As for Hatton/Collazo I've always thought Hatton won close but clearly you'd have to have Collazo winning 7 rounds which seems a stretch to me honestly.

But yeah anytime if you want me to ever rescore any other fights let me know.

 

Yes, that's fair. After watching it this time, I can agree. Pacquiao had more clear rounds certainly. Makes it easier to swing the fight his way.

 

Was checking out the Espanol broadcast of Villasana/Azumah Nelson II, which would be the Professors final bout at 126 before moving up.

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2006-05-13 Ricky Hatton UD12 Luis Collazo (WBA Welterweight Title)
Round 1: 10:8 (Collazo was down)
Round 2: 9:10*
Round 3: 10:9
Round 4: 9:10
Round 5: 9:10
Round 6: 9:10
Round 7: 9:10
Round 8: 10:9
Round 9: 10:9*
Round 10: 9:10
Round 11: 9:10*
Round 12: 9:10
Final Score: 112:115 Collazo

First, let me say that I really enjoyed it and it was better fight than I remember. Had a great time with it.
This fight could be split into couple parts. First 4 rounds featured great back and forth action, with some very impressive inside exchanges. Then as Hatton's intensity eased off a bit, Collazo was given more space and time to box in rounds 5-7. Hatton was able to amount a little come-back in next few rounds, as the pressure got to Collazo a bit, making him stand his ground more again.
Then in the late rounds, both fighter were tired - but fighting through fatigue.

Fight was closer than I remembered it, I think calling it robbery is harsh.. some swing rounds which could be given to Ricky - but the way I see and score fights, I thought Collazo won it. He boxed really well in rounds 5-7, but even in the rounds where the two were fighting more in close quarters, I still saw Collazo landing the cleaner punches. His countering right hook and short left hand were working all night. Hatton was landing good body shots, but I don't think They were making - relatively - as much impact. Hatton saying after the fight that Collazo's power surprised him confirmed me in that belief.

Luis was really excellent on the night by the way... Very slick defensively, good counter puncher, fast hands - and as Emmanuel Stewart pointed out, a mentally strong guy who handled the intensity better than most boxers would. Giving as good as He was getting (Well, or better - but that's just my opinion).