the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Eusebio Pedroza UD15 Rocky Lockridge II(17th defense of the WBA and the ring Featherweight title by Pedroza)
    1: draw 10-10
    2: Lockridge 20-19
    3: Pedroza 29-29
    4: Lockridge 39-38
    5: Lockridge 49-47
    6: Pedroza 58-57
    7: Lockridge 68-66
    8: Pedroza 77-76
    9: Pedroza 86-86
    10: Pedroza 95-96
    11: Lockridge 105-105
    12: Lockridge 115-114
    13: Pedroza 124-124
    14: Lockridge 134-133
    15: Lockridge 144-142
    Very close bout,and the last two rounds could've gone either way, I had It for Lockridge because he was pushing the action more and his punches seems to hit more hard enough than Pedroza.
    But overall I don't think the fight was stolen from him,it was competitive and the fight was on Mexico,not on Panama where Pedroza most of the time would've got the decision.
    Either way,to think about it,I believe that if he was given that Gomez decision and this fight,he had a good case of being a borderline HOF.
     
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great fight, I did not score it but felt it was fairly close and would not have been upset with either man getting their hand raised. I know there were some robbery cries on the RBR. Ortiz did get tagged and showed some defensive issues but his offense was explosive and consistent. Would love to see a rematch
     
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  3. dcarlota

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    Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua
    WBC International heavyweight championship

    Round 1: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 2: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 3: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 4: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 5: David Tua
    Round 6: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 7: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 8: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 9: David Tua
    Round 10: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 11: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Round 12: Ike Ibeabuchi
    Ike wins 118-110
     
  4. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey Just taking a break, folks Full Member

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    Just watched Chavez vs Lockridge earlier today and I must say it was just a wonderful performance from a young Julio. I only gave Lockridge the 1st and 5th and had Chavez winning every other round. But what really amazed me was how cerebral and slick Chavez was here. It's almost surreal to see but Chavez was moving and boxing beautifully, he was incredibly slick, he reminded me of Inoue in the 12th round a couple time by the way he moved and how he jumped in and out with his punches. It was a very clever game-plan implemented by Chavez and his team to deal with an aggressive and powerful fighter like Lockridge also. Chavez would move laterally constantly to ensure that Lockridge wouldn't be able to set his feet to punch, but not only was he moving laterally, but he was circling Lockridge rather than circling the ring so that he could maintain mental pressure on Rocky even on the back-foot. As well, Chavez was timing Lockridge with counters continuously, throwing a sharp, accurate straight right over Lockridge's lazy jab over and over again. Another way Chavez dealt with the power of Lockridge was by forcing Rocky to smother his shots by taking the fight to the inside. Chavez, uncharacteristically, allowed himself to be pushed back and sometimes even bullied a little on the inside, he seemed less certain of his physicality at 130 than he did at higher weights it seemed. Despite this though he still outworked Lockridge inside, slipping and ducking Rocky's shots only to return with a counter or a combination. Chavez also had his uppercut working for him incredibly well later in the fight when Rocky began to tire and lean over his front-foot as he desperately pursued Julio. As he came into range, Chavez would rip lead uppercuts, move, and force Lockridge to reset and to reconsider how effective it was trying to walk down Chavez. Just an all-round masterclass from Chavez quite honestly.

    It was really great to see actually, I feel as though Chavez's celebrity and status as a national symbol for Mexico meant he became overly wedded to the idea of Mexican style, to the point where he forgot or underutilised parts of his style. There are some technical intricacies I feel Chavez showed a clear mastery over in this fight that he nonetheless let fall by the wayside later in his career due to the pressure placed upon him to conform to the idea of machismo, to be this almost Platonic ideal of a Latin-American man, someone who is tough and rugged, relentless and vicious. Chavez is so often and so inaccurately portrayed as a stereotypical brawler, someone who only knew how to fight coming forward when the reality is so much more complex than that. There was so much more to Chavez, his style was so layered and versatile and it really is a shame that he abandoned so much of it later on in his career. This fight just really got me thinking and I just had to write it down somewhere.
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With a lot of recent discussion on this Forum about Harold Brazier, I wanted to check out a fight I had never seen. I've seen a lot of Brazier but hadn't seen the Anthony Stephens fight. started to watch but then they omitted the 4th round I believe. Stop right there. I just can't go any further. But I did find the second fight between he and Kevin Pompey. I remember their first fight, which was fantastic, so here we go.....

    Kevin Pompey v Harold Brazier II (USBA welterweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 2: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 3: 10-9 Pompey
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 6: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 7: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Brazier
    Round 10: Brazier drops and stops Pompey

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 89-84 Brazier (actual scores: 88-83 Brazier and 2 scores of 87-84 for Pompey)

    Another fantastic fight between these two. Maybe not fought at the same break-neck speed as the first, but still an excellent fight, nonetheless. A right hand right down the slot by Brazier in the 10th ended matters. The scores made me take a double-take, but this fight was fought with Brazier landing more but Pompey landing with more 'oomph.' It's up to the perception of the judge so I hate to call them out even though I was pretty solid on my scorecard except for the 8th round. And by that I mean, the video of that round started with one minute gone in the round. In the 2 minutes I watched I felt it was an even round. However, I did hear Al Bernstein say, 'good round for Pompey.' This is why I abort fights where there is a round missing. Perhaps I would have given that round to Pompey had I seen it in its entirety, but I hate taking a leap of faith on a truncated round. Anyways, I'm getting wordy here. Suffice to say a damn good fight.
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’d vote Rocky into the HoF just for this:

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    Some guy trying to punk him on the street because he’s become a homeless drug addict. He shouldn’t have gotten in the sandbox if he didn’t want to play.

    You can hear the guy saying ‘Don’t go over there’ and then ‘Champ, don’t do it, don’t do it.’ Then ‘I told you he was gonna knock him out.’

    RIP champ.

    EDIT: Sorry, can’t find a link that will work. Google ‘Rocky Lockridge street fight.’ Still had great form, haha.
     
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  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Watching Nelson Fenech 2

    Is this the most complete performance of Nelson’s career? He was unbelievable in this one.
     
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  8. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr UD12 Jose Luis Castillo(Undisputed Lightweight Championship)
    1: Castillo 10-9
    2: Castillo 20-18
    3: Floyd 29-28
    4: Floyd 38-38
    5: Castillo 48-47
    6: draw 58-57
    7: Floyd 67-67
    8: draw 77-77 (Castillo deducted)
    9: Castillo 87-86
    10: Floyd 96-96
    11: Castillo 106-105
    12: Castillo 116-114
    Call me a Castillo fanboy or Floyd hater,i didn't really hate Floyd much like i did early after seeing PBF,and all the rounds were close,plus i got Castillo deducted.

    This fight was close and could've gone either way,i just awarded it to Castillo as he was pushing the action more and seems like he done enough damage to won the last two,and i don't think it as a robbery myself.
     
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  9. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah,I think so,I only watched it and his first fight with Fenech,but he looked so smooth in that fight,It really looked like Azumah will never repeat that again.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    FT, this was my score on the bout. I should point out that you may have forgotten to deduct a point from Mayweather for the 10th round elbow infraction. Some tough rounds here.

    Jose Luis Castillo v Floyd Mayweather I (lightweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Mayweather
    Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 7: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 8: 9-9 Even (Scored it for Castillo but the ref deducted one point from Castillo for hitting on the break)
    Round 9: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 10: 10-8 Castillo (the ref deducted one point from Floyd for use of his elbow)
    Round 11: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 12: 10-9 Castillo

    Total: 116-112 Castillo (actual scores: 115-111, 115-111 and 116-111 all for Mayweather)

    I really felt Castillo simply exerted his strength over Mayweather throughout the second half of the fight. Pretty solid on my card. I did feel Floyd deserved their second fight, though.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Raymond Ford vs Otabek Kholmatov

    1 Kholmatov
    2 Kholmatov
    3 Kholmatov
    4 Ford
    5 Ford
    6 Kholmatov
    7 Kholmatov
    8 Ford
    9 Kholmtov
    10 Kholmatov
    11 Kholmatov
    12 Ford wins by TKO

    107-102 Kholmatov

    This fight is very similar to Chavez/Taylor even one judge strangely having Ford ahead just like Chavez in a fight Kholmatov seemed to be comfortably ahead in coming into the 12th round just like Taylor.

    Basically Kholmatov like Taylor outworked his opponent being busy and landing combinations with Ford like Chavez occasionally landing some stand out single shots. I have to say though unlike Taylor who's face was starting to look a mess and you could see he was fading, i didn't really get that impression from Kholmatov until he got caught in the last round so i'd say the stoppage looked more unlikely in this fight compared to Taylor/Chavez.

    As for the stoppage ? to me it seemed a bit quick but Kholmatov turned his back so i guess if you do that you're asking for trouble.

    But all in all very good fight and eerily similar to Taylor/Chavez
     
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  12. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Here’s my card from a while back.

    Floyd Mayweather v Jose Luis Castillo 1

    Well, that was a ***** to score! So much so that I went back and immediately rewatched and rescored it! And I reckon if I scored it again, I’d get a different result each time.

    Honestly, one of the toughest fights I’ve ever scored. This made Leonard-Hagler seem straightforward.

    Overall impression was that Mayweather took the first half by boxing and moving effectively. Castillo sent a lot of time chasing him around the ring without much affect. Second half Mayweather stopped doing what had worked and allowed Castillo to close the space and become more effective. I don’t think Castillo was necessarily better but he was busier and that swung the fight back his way.

    As for the result, it’s a pick’em really. Castillo probably deserved at least a share of the result.

    Mayweather-Castillo
    1 10-9
    2 10-9
    3 10-10
    4 10-9
    5 10-9 (v close)
    6 10-10
    7 9-10
    8 9-9 (v close, Castillo just edged it but ended even with point deduction)
    9 9-10 (messy round, Floyd being outhustled and not throwing enough)
    10 9-10 (point deduction for Floyd in a pretty even round)
    11 9-10 (v close, Floyd landing some better shots this round but tactically odd, infighting with Castillo who was just a bit busier)
    12 9-10 (Castillo’s round. Floyd not doing nearly enough)

    Mayweather 114-115 Castillo
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @Jel @scartissue @FThabxinfan

    For me Castillo vs Mayweather 1 scoring criteria comes down to a few things.

    1. How many of the early rounds you give Mayweather from memory i thought he quite clearly atleast won 4 out of the first 5.

    2. How you score the point deduction rounds.

    3. How you score the 11th round that for me is to most debatable round in the fight, Castillo clearly outworked Mayweather in that round but Mayweather landed the more eye catching punches.
     
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  14. FThabxinfan

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    Mike McCallum KO5 Donald Curry
    Round 1: draw 10-10
    Round 2: Curry 20-19
    Round 3: Curry 30-28
    Round 4: Curry 40-37
    Round 5: McCallum KO

    I actually liked McCallum a lot and his style were eye candy for me,but man, Curry was truly winning in the scorecards for this fight,I don't believe what anyone says.

    Mike threw a ton but Curry was able to roll,block slip and duck his punches while landing a solid one of his own, Mike never became much of a trouble until Curry makes a mistake where he missed a left hook,left his hands low with his chin in the air,and Mike lands that wonderland hook.

    This is the last straw for Curry imo,after this he's never the same again,competing against bigger opponents with shot legs.
     
  15. FThabxinfan

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    Mike McCallum KO5 Donald Curry
    Round 1: draw 10-10
    Round 2: Curry 20-19
    Round 3: Curry 30-28
    Round 4: Curry 40-37
    Round 5: McCallum KO

    I actually liked McCallum a lot and his style were eye candy for me,but man, Curry was truly winning in the scorecards for this fight,I don't believe what anyone says.

    Mike threw a ton but Curry was able to roll,block slip and duck his punches while landing a solid one of his own, Mike never became much of a trouble until Curry makes a mistake where he missed a left hook,left his hands low with his chin in the air,and Mike lands that wonderland hook.

    This is the last straw for Curry imo,after this he's never the same again,competing against bigger opponents with shot legs.