the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Thanks I appreciate that! I’ve watched thousands of fights. I didn’t even get into boxing at all until about 2018 and from that point on it’s the only sport I even care about anymore. It got me through some dark dark times in my life so its something extremely important to me.

 

Oh yes I just watched Holmes weaver a couple weeks ago! Great fight. Holmes was rocked a few times but honestly I felt weaver maybe only had won 3 or 4 rounds by the time the knockout came but he was LIVE that night that’s for sure.
Just watched Chacon Limon 3 & 4 a few days ago. Ramirez and Whitaker is a good one I want to score. I was going to watch Whitaker Chavez last night but it’s not on YouTube. A lot of times if I can’t find a fight on YT, Daily Motion will have it. Especially a lot more of the recent fights.

I think I’ll do Toney V Tiberi and Ramirez Whitaker next!

 

Also, another random one that just popped into my head after seeing Top Ranks video of all of Floyd’s Title fight wins come up. What do you guys think of Floyd V Castillo 1? Does anyone feel that fight was closer than people think and a lot of it is just Floyd hate or did Floyd truly deserve the L that night?

 

Daniel Zaragoza v Frankie Duarte (super bantamweight title)

I always wanted to see this fight to see what Frankie had left - as he was almost 35 by this time. But man, this fight should have been titled End-of-the-line. I tell ya, besides the fact that Frankie was clearly having an issue with Zaragoza's southpaw stance, he looked like he was punching underwater and couldn't get out of the way of any punch coming his way. After 3 rounds I was looking at a rout. After 8 Frankie's corner was asking if he wanted it stopped. Mercifully, the ref stopped it in the 10th. The only area Zaragoza couldn't hope to beat Frankie was in heart. Frankie's best rounds were the 6th and 9th, yet, I still couldn't even give him an even round. I scored it 90-81 through 9 completed rounds, giving every round to Zaragoza (actual scores were 90-80, 90-84 and 88-84 all for Zaragoza). Thankfully, Frankie got the message and never fought again.

 

@Chris Hudson if you're interested in some of the Holmes fights here's some of my scorecards from his most competitive fights.


Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Holmes
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Holmes
10 Norton
11 Norton
12 Norton
13 Holmes
14 Norton
15 Norton

143-142 Holmes

Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon

1 Holmes
2 Witherspoon
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Holmes
7 Witherspoon
8 Witherspoon
9 Witherspoon
10 Witherspoon
11 Holmes
12 Holmes

115-113 Holmes


Larry Holmes vs Mike Weaver 1

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Weaver
5 Weaver
6 Weaver
7 Holmes
8 Holmes
9 Holmes
10 Weaver
11 Holmes 10-8 Knockdown
12 Holmes wins by TKO

106-102 Holmes


Larry Holmes vs Michael Spinks 1

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Spinks
4 Spinks
5 Holmes
6 Spinks
7 Spinks
8 Holmes
9 Holmes
10 Spinks
11 Spinks
12 Spinks
13 Spinks
14 Holmes
15 Holmes

143-142 Spinks

Carl Williams vs Larry Holmes

1 Williams
2 Williams
3 Even
4 Holmes
5 Williams
6 Williams
7 Holmes
8 Holmes
9 Holmes
10 Williams
11 Williams
12 Holmes
13 Williams
14 Holmes
15 Holmes

143-143 Draw


Larry Holmes vs Gerry Cooney


1 Holmes
2 Holmes 10-8 knockdown
3 Cooney
4 Cooney
5 Cooney
6 Holmes
7 Cooney
8 Cooney
9 I thought Cooney won this round but he had 2 points deducted so is it 9-8 Cooney ?
10 Holmes Close round best round of the fight
11 Holmes 10-8 point deducted for Cooney
12 Holmes
13 Holmes wins by TKO

114-110 Holmes


Larry Holmes vs Michael Spinks 2

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Spinks
7 Holmes
8 Spinks
9 Holmes
10 Spinks
11 Holmes
12 Holmes
13 Spinks
14 Holmes
15 Spinks

145-140 Holmes


Larry Holmes vs Quinn Navarre

1 Holmes 10-8 knockdown
2 Navarre
3 Holmes 10-8 standing 8 count
4 Holmes
5 Navarre
6 Holmes
7 Navarre
8 Navarre
9 Navarre
10 Holmes

95-93 Holmes

Larry Holmes vs Brian Nielsen

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Nielsen
4 Nielsen
5 Most of the round was missing so i have to score it 10-10
6 Holmes
7 Nielsen
8 Holmes
9 Nielsen
10 Holmes
11 Holmes
12 Holmes

116-113 Holmes

 

It's a close fight it all depends on a few things...

1. How many of the early rounds you give Mayweather arguably he won atleast 4 out of the first 5.

2. How you score the point deduction rounds.

3. How you score the most debatable round in the fight the 11th round, Mayweather stood toe to toe in this round and landed some eye catching punches. Castillo outworked him in the round but Mayweather's punches were more eye catching so it's a debatable round.

I do think Castillo has a better argument to winning the fight overall but it's still close enough that it's not a robbery by any stretch of the imagination. Although i felt the judges scorecards scored it far too wide for Mayweather quite honestly.

 

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Bobby "The Schoolboy" Chacon v Danny "Little Red" Lopez

Rd 1: Chacon
Rd 2: Chacon
Rd 3: Chacon
Rd 4: Lopez
Rd 5: Chacon
Rd 6: Chacon (wow what a round!)
Rd 7: Chacon
Rd 8: Chacon
Rd 9: Chacon wins via TKO
My scorecard after 8 completed rounds: 7-1 CHACON

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Entertaining, albeit a bit one-sided affair between the two up-and-coming featherweights from South California. Chacon came in with a 24-1 record with his sole loss being against Ruben Olivares in a title fight. Lopez undefeated with 23-0 record.

Chacon was brilliant in this fight. He consistently connected with his trademark right, while also showcasing some slick defensive work (not what he is usually known for). Lopez struggled to land his power punches against the elusive Chacon. He showed a lot of heart, but was comprehensively outboxed by Schoolboy.

Spoiler: Fights I have scored on this forum

Usyk - Fury 1: 116-111 USYK
Saddler - Elorde 2: SADDLER wins by TKO in 13th round - 114-113 SADDLER (Fight was originally scored on a 5-point system)
Arguello - Boza-Edwards: ARGUELLO wins by RTD in 8th round - 79-73 ARGUELLO
Beterbiev - Bivol 1: 115-115 DRAW
Barrera - Morales 3: 114-114 DRAW
Usyk - Fury 2: 115-113 USYK
Canzoneri - Ross 2: 8-6-1 ROSS
Pintor - Zarate: 143-141 PINTOR
Pintor - Davila 2: 143-142 PINTOR
Camacho - Mancini: 114-114 DRAW
Marquez - John: 113-113 DRAW
Rodriguez - Griffith 4: 69-66 RODRIGUEZ
Lockridge - Boza-Edwards: 98-92 LOCRIDGE
Whitaker - De La Hoya: 114-113 DE LA HOYA
Saddler - Flanagan: 6-3-1 FLANAGAN
Griffith - Benvenuti 1: 9-6 BENVENUTI (alternatively 143-140 Benvenuti)
Trinidad - De La Hoya: 116-113 DE LA HOYA
Hagler - Leonard: 117-112 HAGLER
Zaragoza - Banke: 115-113 ZARAGOZA
Monzon - Valdez 2: 143-141 MONZON
Chacon - Lopez: CHACON wins by TKO in the 8th round - 7-1 Chacon

 

Viy, loved this fight. We're almost identical on this. Here is what I wrote:

Bobby Chacon v Danny Lopez (California scoring)

Round 1: Chacon
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Chacon
Round 4: Lopez
Round 5: Chacon
Round 6: Chacon
Round 7: Chacon
Round 8: Chacon
Round 9: Chacon drops and stops Lopez

Total through 8 completed rounds: 6-1 Chacon (actual scores: 6-2, 6-2 and 7-1 all with Chacon leading)

Despite the apparent one-sidedness on my scoring, this was one tough fight and Lopez was throwing some beauties when he had Chacon against the ropes. But Bobby was not to be denied this night. Outstanding fight.

 

This is on my short list for best fights of all time.

 

Did this one myself a few years ago. Two of my favorite fighters, but damn, what was Chacon made of? Impossible to dissuade and never, ever seemed to be in a bad fight:

Bobby “Schoolboy” Chacon vs. Danny “Little Red” Lopez, scheduled for 12 rounds at Los Angeles Sports Arena on May 24, 1974.

Lopez is 23-0 (22), stands 5-8 and weighs 123 1/2 pounds at age 21. He is ranked No. 4 by the WBC.

Chacon is 23-1 (21), is 5-5 and weighs 126 at age 22. He’s won four in a row since sustaining his only loss, to Ruben Olivares by stoppage for the NABF featherweight crown. Ranked No. 6, he’s a 10-8 favorite.

The bout draws a crowd of more than 16,000 plus some 2,700 who pay to watch via closed circuit at the nearby Olympic Auditorium. The gate is nearly $250,000. Each fighter is paid $56,000 according to the Los Angeles Times — per an online inflation calculator that’s more than $300,000 in today’s dollars for a non-title fight. That’s how big this fight was. Median family income in the U.S. in 1974 was $11,100 per the Census Bureau. A brand new Cadillac convertible cost $7,800.

This fight should have come with a Surgeon’s General warning — if your doctor has advised you to avoid excitement, do not watch.

My scoring:

Round 1: Chacon 10-9 — It starts as a jabbing contest and surprisingly the shorter Chacon’s is better. By mid-round he’s hitting home with laser-guided right hands and can’t seem to miss with the punch.

Round 2: Lopez 10-9 — Blistering shots traded, Lopez gets through with some hard rights and works over the Schoolboy on the ropes. Danny is cut over the right eye but it doesn’t appear to be serious.

Round 3: Chacon 10-9 — Bobby hurts Danny with a right early and out jabs him most of the round, then pours it on with more rights late in the round.

Round 4: Lopez 10-9 — Danny is relentless, comes on strong and seems to be turning the tide. Looks the stronger man.

Round 5: Chacon 10-9 — Again, Bobby can’t miss with the right hand. And he throws a bunch of them.

Round 6: Even, 10-10 — Lopez rakes Chacon along the ropes but Bobby rallies late. Lopez’s eye cut reopens. Bobby is bleeding from the nose by round’s end.

Round 7: Chacon 10-9 (close) — Both land big rights, Bobby’s body work especially with the left hook edges it on my card.

Round 8: Chacon 10-9 — Danny is starting to look ragged, all those rights taking their toll.

Round 9: Chacon rocks Lopez with a big right that drives him to the ropes, then a series of rights with a good left hook mixed in drops Danny to the canvas. Chacon is all over him and referee John Thomas stops it 48 seconds into the round with Lopez sagging along the ropes after being battered all the way across the ring.

EDIT: I forgot the include the scoring. I used the 10-point must system above but California was using the round system at the time.

I had it 5-2-1. A few rounds each way were close. Official cards: 7-1 and 6-2 (twice) but that doesn’t reflect how competitive this bout was.

This is an action fight all the way. Lived up to its billing. It’s a throwback to the days when up-and-comers and contenders would face off and people would pay to make it worth their while. I think if they’d have fought two or three more times each would win at least once.

Bobby would win the vacant WBC featherweight title in his next fight but lose it to Olivares in his second defense. Lopez would lose two of his next three then reel off seven wins in a row before taking that same WBC championship off David Kotey … and never lose again until Salvador Sanchez comes along.

 

Watching some Alfonso Zamora's pre-Zarate fights available on YT. Certainly one of the hardest hitting bantamweights of all time!

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Alfonso Zamora v Shintaro Uchiyama (1974)

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Alfonso Zamora v Hong Soo-hwan (1975)

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Alfonso Zamora v Thanomchit Sukhothai (1975)

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Alfonso Zamora v Eusebio Pedroza (1976)

 

Just watched a terrific little fight that everyone needs to see.

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Chiquita Gonzalez v Rolando Pasqua (light flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Pasqua
Round 3: 10-9 Pasqua
Round 4: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: Pasqua KOs Gonzalez

Total through 5 completed rounds: 49-48 Pasqua (actual scores: 49-46 and 48-47 for Pasqua and a 48-47 for Gonzalez)

Every so often a fighter will come out of nowhere and engage in the best fight of their life, and this is what Pasqua did this night. I won't say he disappeared into obscurity after this but he never achieved the stardom one would think after this performance. However, it was Gonzalez who regrouped after this. But I gotta tell ya, these two put on quite the tussle. Enjoy.

 

Thanks for recommending this one, Scar! I knew about this fight but never watched it before.

Rolando Pascua v Humberto Gonzalez

1 9-10
2 10-9
3 10-9
4 9-10
5 10-9
(48-47)
6 Pascua KOs Gonzalez

Gonzalez obviously came into this fight full of confidence as he came out in the opening round with little respect for Pascua and looking to add to his list of KOs but Pascua quickly got his respect and you could see Chiquita becoming a little more cautious as a result as he was countered effectively in the second and third.

That changed in the 4th round after the clash of heads - Gonzalez went all out to finish it early due to his concerns about the cut and it left him open to the straighter counters of Pascua who consistently landed through Gonzalez’s wider hooks. Even though Pascua was hurt a couple of times, his punches were clearly shaking Gonzalez and he tagged him with a couple that softened him up in the sixth before the final flurry dropped Gonzalez like a stone.

 

Very well detailed, Jel