the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I saw this fight and to be honest its one of those fights in which Laporte seemed to stop trying after hurting the opponent. He did that sometimes.

 

Chavez Vs. Whitaker

Rd. 1 10-9 Chavez. Whitaker moved well, but Chavez caught him with a couple decent enough punches on the inside. Whitaker landed a couple jabs but nothing really of note. Honestly felt like an even round but like i've mentioned before, i don't like scoring even rounds unless two guys literally don't land a single punch.

Rd. 2 10-9 Whitaker. Again, super close round. I felt Sweet Pea landed a little more effectively and made Chavez miss quite a lot. Chavez did get some hits in however but gonna give Whitaker this one.

Rd. 3 10-9 Whitaker. All Sweet Pea. Just peppered him with the jabs and even some right hands.

Rd. 4 10-9 Whitaker. Gonna give this one to Sweet Pea just based on the fact he was boxing beautifully. Positioning himself perfectly to where Chavez can't fire any left hooks. Landing jabs. Defensively sound. Not landing a whole lot, like he did in round 3, but 100 percent controlled the round.

Rd. 5 10-9 Whitaker. Just boxing perfectly. blocking the hooks with the right glove. and landing more.

Rd. 6 10-9 Whitaker. Turning him effectively, boxing effectively. some of these rounds are close but in my opinion, Pernell is edging them.

Rd. 7 10-9 Whitaker. Pot shotting now, pushing Chavez back. Almost dominated him that round.

Rd. 8 10-9 Whitaker. what else can i say? still boxing great and making Chavez miss.

Rd. 9 10-9 Whitaker. Wanted to give this round to Chavez but Whitaker just came back in the last minute after being close the first 2 minutes and just gave him a boxing lesson.

Rd. 10 10-9 Whitaker. Closer but Whitaker landing cleaner. still making Chavez miss. just defensively sound.

Rd. 11 10-9 Whitaker. Same as Round 10 more or less.

Rd. 12 10-9 Chavez. I'll give it to him i guess. lol Sweet Pea was obviously very defensive in this round. he did land a couple here and there but Chavez gets some effort points here.

Final Score 118-110.

I feel this was easy to score for the most part. Maybe a 117-111 would've been the best Chavez should have done here. Sweet Pea just boxed a masterful fight. Perfect game plan against Julio Cesar Chavez. Even though Sweet Pea was boxing and moving, it wasn't a boring fight in my opinion. It was honestly pretty satisfying to watch. Now, to put it on my Robbery Scale, with 1 being a totally fair decsion, and 10 being an absolute robbery.... i'm going to give this one a 9. I would even say a 10 if Pernell had won every round, which you could almost make a case for that, and also i need to leave some wiggle room if i ever see a worse robbery one day lol. This was an absolute joke of a decision in my opinion and i would even go as far as to say there was some "influence" at play here most likely.

 

I think i'm gonna watch Whitaker Vs. Ramirez and Whitaker Vs De La Hoya next. I've watched them both, and i honestly feel that De La Hoya was the rightful winner last time i watched that fight, although i didn't score it. I've heard the Ramirez fight was a total robbery, but last time i watched it, i was still pretty new to boxing so i'm going to give them both new looks.

 

Whitaker Vs. Ramirez 1

Rd. 1 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 2 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 3 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 4 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 5 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 6 10-9 Ramirez
Rd. 7 10-9 Whitaker (Close Round)
Rd. 8 10-9 Ramirez
Rd. 9 10-9 Whitaker
Rd. 10 10-9 Ramirez
Rd. 11 10-9 Ramirez
Rd. 12 10-9 Whitaker

Final Score: 116-112 Whitaker. It was closer than people think, in my opinion. It was definitely a Whitaker win though. The 118 to whatever card for Ramirez was an absolute TRAVESTY and laughable.

 

Larry Holmes (c) vs. Renaldo Snipes, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC heavyweight championship on Nov. 6, 1981, at Pittsburgh Civic Arena. Televised live by ABC in primetime with Howard Cosell on the call.

Larry is 38-0 (28) and weighs 213 1/4 got his 11th title defense at age 32. He picks up $1.1M for this fight, basically a stay-busy defense while a megafight with Gerry Cooney is being negotiated. There is no betting line, an indicator of how much of a favorite Holmes is here.

Snipes is 22-0 (11) and weighs 215 3/4. He got this shot with a three-fight stretch of wins that look better on paper than they probably were: split decision over Gerrie Coetzee in a bout where he was knocked down twice but benefitted from the round system scoring; split decision over Eddie Mustafa Muhammad moving up from light heavy; and a win over Jumbo Cummings, undefeated at the time. He earns $175K.

1 — Holmes 10-9: The ever-awkward Snipes come out circling for two minutes before they settle down. Larry takes it with his jab, a couple of good body shots and, surprisingly, two snappy left hooks late.

2 — Holmes 10-9: Early in the round, Snipes land the same right hand that would later shock the boxing world by knocking Holmes down, just not quite as flush. Apart from that, Holmes gets his right hand going in a big way and also does some good body work and lands a few more hooks.

3 — Holmes 10-9: Renaldo outworks Holmes for two minutes, although without much telling work, then hits on the break to **** Larry off, and Holmes unloads over the final 45 seconds to teach the kid some manners.

4 — Snipes 10-9: Renaldo gets in close and Larry allows it, which allows Snipes to really work and outhustle him. Renaldo lands some terrific left hooks to the body.

5 — Holmes 10-9: Big round for Larry has he gets on his toes and gets the jab going to set up the rights, which he works under and over. Holmes rocks Snipes and beats him up pretty good late in the round, opening a cut around Renaldo’s left eye.

6 — Even 10-10: Renaldo early, Holmes late. They stay in close and Snipes takes advantage by being business, although Holmes probably did the better work. Snipes is bleeding from the mouth and will continue to do so for the rest of the fight.

7 — Snipes 10-8: Renaldo knocks Larry down early with a double jab to high on the chest setting up a sizzling right hand. Larry goes down and stumbles into the turnbuckle with rubbery legs when he gets up. Snipes goes for it but his wildness betrays him here. Holmes gets his legs back under him before halfway through the round and is back in command over the final minute.

8 — Holmes 10-9: Larry gets up on his toes and gets the jab going. Renaldo can’t land much and nothing telling.

9 — Holmes 10-9: That jab. He doesn’t work it overtime, but it’s a thing of beauty. Renaldo is game but he just can’t get anything going.

10 — Holmes 10-9: More of the same. Snipes left eye is swelling badly from all the laser-guided rights from Larry over the course of the fight.

11 — Holmes hurts Snipes with a big right early and lands a series of same before referee Rudy Ortega waves it off at 1:05 with Renaldo seemingly out of it in the corner.

You can argue it’s a premature stoppage, but I don’t think Snipes lasts much longer anyway. He looks beaten and beaten up, and Holmes really has the range. I won’t say it’s a great stoppage but it’s a fair one.

My scorecard: Holmes 97-93. Official cards: Holmes 97=91, 96-91 and 96-93.

Holmes goes on to fight Cooney about seven months later. Renaldo’s career gets rocky: He goes 1-1-1 over his next three with a majority decision loss to Tim Witherspoon, a draw with Scott Frank and a win over Trevor Berbick. Then he loses three in a row, drops out for nearly two years and is just an up-and-down guy on the outside looking in after that. This was his moment.

On the undercard: Michael Dokes (over George Chaplin), Randall Cobb (over Bernardo Mercado — I’d love to see this one) and Jimmy Young (over a 24-2 guy with whom I am not familiar) all win, as does Bobby Joe Young. A debuting David Bey also wins … against 4-0 James “Buster” Douglas.

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I had Ramirez a narrow winner on this one. Sweet Pea just gave away too many rounds with inactivity and literally turning his back a few times, which doesn’t win over judges.

 

Carl Thompson Vs Chris Eubank 1

Rd 1 Eubank10-9
Rd 2 Eubank10-9
Rd 3 Thompson10-9
Rd 4 Eubank10-8
Rd 5 Thompson10-9(Eubank made it close)
Rd 6 Eubank10-9
Rd 7 Eubank10-9
Rd 8 Thompson10-9
Rd 9 Thompson10-9
Rd 10 Thompson10-9
Rd 11 Thompson10-9
Rd 12 Thompson10-9

114-113 Thompson. Honestly if Chris had thrown just a couple of punches that last minute instead of throwing his hands up, I could have given him that last round. He was just gassed. Such an extremely fun and close fight.

 

You are right. Especially those middle rounds. 6-10. I was wondering myself why he stopped throwing. He was allowing Ramirez to stay in the fight.

 

Sort of on a Chris Eubank kick. Probably because the man has had so many controversial decisions in his career. A few I can think of… Close, Rocchigiani, Schommer, Benn 2, Watson 1, Collins…

I’m about to start Eubank Vs. Rocchigiani now.

Eubank Vs. Rocchigiani

Rd. 1 10-9 Eubank. Didn’t land a lot of clean head punches, but did good body work. Rocky didnt throw hardly anything the entire round.

Rd. 2 10-9 Eubank. Just out worked the opponent.

Rd. 3 10-9 Rocchigiani. This was a close round and Eubank did a lot of good body work, but Rocky was landing good shots to the head, and was the aggressor. I could be wrong though, but Rocky was just my first feeling on the winner of the round.

Rd. 4 10-9 Eubank. Again, another close round. I just like the body work Eubank is doing.

Rd. 5 10-9 Rocchigiani. Good defense, landing clean punches.

Rd. 6 10-9 Eubank. The challenger just waited too long in the round to throw anything while Eubank continued to work and work the body.

4-2 Eubank at the halfway mark.
Just gonna give the round winner from here on out. Getting tired lol.

Rd. 7 10-9 Rocchigiani.

Rd. 8 10-9 Eubank.

Rd. 9 10-9 Eubank.

Rd.10 10-9 Rocchigiani.

Rd. 11 10-8 Rocchigiani.
(Eubank deducted a point.)

Rd. 12 10-9 Eubank.

114-113 Eubank. I think he saved his title on my scorecard in that 12th and final round.

 

Interested to see your Watson 1 scorecard, Chris, when you get to it.

 

I also had it 116-112 but we scored a few rounds differently i agree it's more competitive than what people think i also think the same in regards to Whitaker/Chavez.

But despite me saying that i don't think there's any doubt that Whitaker won both fights IMO.

I also think Whitaker losing to Ramirez was a blessing in disguise as he was scheduled to fight Chavez after which he wasn't quite ready for and i believe Whitaker improved as a fighter after learning his lesson not to coast so much.


Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1

1 Whitaker
2 Whitaker
3 Ramirez
4 Whitaker
5 Whitaker
6 Ramirez
7 Ramirez
8 Ramirez
9 Whitaker
10 Whitaker
11 Whitaker
12 Whitaker

116-112 Whitaker

 

Ok no problem! Was gonna score Mayweather Castillo 1 but I will watch that now instead!

 

And also gonna score the Schommer fight here soon as well.

 

Eubank Vs. Watson 1

Rd. 1 10-9 Eubank. This round was a whole lot of punching air. Basically gave Eubank the round solely on one single jab,jab, right hand combination that landed with about a minute to go.

Rd. 2 10-9 Eubank. Another round of nothing landing but again, Chris did land a good counter left and another Jab, right hand, even if everything else missed. Watson not landing yet.

Rd. 3 10-9 Watson. Started to finally land some jabs and a couple combinations.

Rd. 4 10-9 Watson. F*%# these rounds are hard to score lol. I’ll give this one to Watson, he came forward, and I felt controlled the first two minutes. Eubank did better in the last minute but not enough in my opinion.

Rd. 5 10-9 Eubank. Eubank seemed more aggressive in the round especially from midway on. Not sure how much actually landed, but it was more than Watson in my opinion.

Rd. 6 10-9 Watson. Landed cleaner and more often. Feels like he’s starting to get into a groove now.

Rd. 7 10-9 Eubank. Round started off with Eubank leaving his hands down and Watson tagging him with jabs but then Watson just stopped punching. This was an easily winnable round for him but he let Eubank steal it back in the last minute with jabs of his own.

Rd. 8 10-9 Watson. This is what he should have been doing for the fight. Throwing combinations and not letting Eubank think and steal rounds.

Rd. 9 10-9 Eubank. Just when I think a guy gets the momentum, the other comes back in the next round and takes it in my opinion. Watson just wasn’t landed and even if Chris wasn’t either, he was more than Watson and was throwing more, at least giving the impression he was controlling the round. Honestly that’s all either guy should be doing and they’d be straight up stealing these rounds from eachother but they both just keep letting the other stay in the fight.
(Also I agreed a lot with Jim Watt at the beginning of the fight, as we both had it level after 6, but not sure if we are watching the same fight as of the last 2-3 rounds lol.)

Rd. 10 10-9 Watson. Again round up for grabs in the final minute, and again, the guy who loses the round before steals it with solid punches and combinations at the end. Literally that’s all the other has to do against the other, just throw combinations.

All level going into the championship rounds.
5-5.

Rd. 11 10-9 Watson. Finally someone wins 2 rounds in a row. Eubank looks gassed. Although this round was close, imo.

Rd. 12 10-9 Watson. Honestly, extremely close round even though Eubank was posing, backing up, and when he did throw, it was wild punches. Watson stalked, was economical, but did clip Chris a couple times.

115-113 Watson. But could see scorecards ranging from 117-111 Watson to like 115-113 Eubank. Honestly I’d probably have to watch it again, but I really don’t want to lol. It was an ugly fight to watch if I’m honest. These guys style did not mesh well in this first fight. Would I call this a robbery? Not really. 1-10 with 1 being fair judging, and 10 being a total robbery, I’d probably go 2. Maybe 3. I think the fans just really wanted Chris to lose and Watson to win so they claimed robbery but I disagree.

 

Just posted my thoughts. Let me know if you agree, disagree, or hell let me know if I’m blind and don’t know whatn watching if that’s how you feel. Lmao. That was a terrible fight to score and watch honestly. Heard the second fight was a lot more fun to watch though.