the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Victor Galindez RTD9 Mike Rossman

Dominant performance from Galindez, who really fought like an animal in this one. He battered Rossman in some rounds, while others were competitive, until the stoppage at the end of the round.

I love the way Galindez slipped the jab and split it with a left hook. Very nicely done. In fact, his head movement was very sharp here. The last minute or so of round four was a perfect showing of Galindez's spitefulness. Especially afterwards when he attacked Rossman's brother. He worked a nice jab to the body, and used it to set up a lead uppercut in round six. Split Rossman's high guard really well. The infighting at the end of the seventh was awesome. Both smooth and rough in terms of how he managed Rossman there in the corner.

Is this Galindez's best performance?

 

Maybe,but looking at how he attacked Rossman's bro,that might've affected Rossman's performance for that fight psychologically,either way it's the ballsy performance vs Richie Kates, the first of the competitive shoot out vs Yaqui,or this fight were the best performance of Galindez.

 

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I saw a complete undercard.

The first fight and the Lopez fight were something to behold!

You will see I made a comment under "Jeanette's Boxing Channel there.

 

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Some leftover scorecard from a pretty sad fight.
Johnny Tapia vs Manuel Medina
1: Medina 10-9
2: Tapia 19-19
3: Medina 29-28
4: Medina 39-37
5: Tapia 48-47
6: Medina 58-56
7: Medina 68-65
8: Tapia 77-75
9: Medina 77-74
10: Tapia 86-84
11: draw 96-94
12: Medina 106-103
This fight is hard to score as I'm trying to be generous to Tapia,and hard to watch because I can't stand the decision and how Tapia fought man..

I felt bad for both, Medina should've atleast kept his belt at home,and Tapia shouldn't have fought this fight,he looks shot beyond recognition...

 

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Watched some Robinson today, I've wanted to write about his combinations for a while so I did that too.

Robinson likes to set up his combinations by jabbing; and he generally does so while doing one of two things. He's either cross stepping as he jabs, in that motion which Ali copied; or he steps inside with a jab to the body, whilst crouching down to the outside. From the cross-step, he'd use either the right hand to come around their guard like a long, rear hook or a not very overhanded overhand. If am opponents tried to come at him in a crouch or even just bobbed to avoid his shots, there was a powerful and crafty lead uppercut waiting for them. From the crouch, he'd use the right hook to the body to counter the jab, and use the left hook to the body to get himself back into position. He'd often even use two left hooks just to be sure both he and the opponent were in the proper positions for him to work his magic.

In terms of his punch selection, you'll see everything. He lands three or four shots on the run with the same hand; often using a double lead hook to the body, followed by one to the head. Or a hook to the body, then a lead uppercut, then a hook upstairs. Hell double and triple up on all of these and use them in interchange orders. His right hand is almost as varied with numerous ways of throwing the cross, uppercut and right hook. As mentioned, Robi's would throw long right hooks which whipped around the guard; as well as some beautiful overhands. As seen by the Graziano KO, his cross can be straight as well. His rear uppercut is frightening accurate and comes out of nowhere. Like the left, he throws them all to the body like a master, but I specifically like how he uses the rear hook to target the kidney of his opponents as they're leaning forward. And just to top it all off, he liked to change the direction of his punches as he threw them.

Robinson is one of those rare combination punchers who was able to add increasingly massive amounts of power with each punch in a combination. I tend to think there's three main reasons for this. The first, imo, is his actual punching technique. With the way he liked to load his punches behind his hip, and then finish the motion at the elbow. He required space, but once he has it, his punch is going to accelerate drastically as it gets closer to the target (this is what punching through the target means). He generates space as he throws his first couple shots, which then adds power to the next shot, as it creates more space. The way this adds power is through the stretch-shortening cycle and the serape effect. This is basically the elastic like tension you can create in your muscles; especially in hips, thighs, upper back and shoulders. Robinson's technique of loading power behind the hip, combined with a vicious weight shift and a whip-like snap at the elbow is a brilliant way is to use these features of the body. The more punches he threw, the more tension he could generate and release into the next punch.

The second is his ridiculous timing and accuracy. His timing just got better as exchanges went on, and even more so over the course of a whole fight. His accuracy wasn't just for those crisp, on the button shots, but was used to create openings and manipulate his opponents head and guard. Eg: throwing an uppercut to lift their chin into a hook, or throwing double hooks to the body to lower the hands for all manner of damage. The ability to target the same spot over and over again is unnatural.

The final reason, and the thing I find most impressive about by Robinson on the whole, which is how he steps as he punches. It's ridiculous. Each step shifts his weight as completely as possible, doing so by letting his opposite leg come off the floor, and when he sets it back down, he does so in a place which is best for the next punch. For example:

a) lifting his leg off the floor with his cross, then stepping into a better stance to throw a left hook; at an angle they can't see.

b) shifting into the hook to get into a position to throw another lead hook, but with more leverage; from a more dangerous position.

c) shuffling back with the right hook, allowing for a harsher lead uppercut against dipping opponents; timing their head movement.

It's genius and there's no other way to describe it. And while he was doing all this, he'd still being using his off hand, head, shoulder or elbow to nudge, push or off balance a fighter; as he threw ridiculous, 4-10 punch combos. If they weren't in the position to be hit by the next punch, Robi moved them there; and if it took two extra shots to move them there, he'd throw them too. There's a clip of him just ripping the body with both hands, spinning the guy out of infighting range, then putting him on the ropes. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Jose Stable v Vince Shomo (NY scoring)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Shomo (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: Shomo
Round 4: Stable
Round 5: Stable
Round 6: Referee stops the bout midway in the round in favor of Stable

Outstanding fight out of Madison Square Garden. These two really went at it. I had no problem with the stoppage as Stable had battered him throughout the 5th and carried it to the 6th. Shomo was getting hammered and the ref was quite correct, despite a vey PO'd Shomo. But their exchanges up to the stoppage were brilliant.

 

Well, well well, the prodigal fight returns. I’ve mentioned in a few threads how keen I have been in the last several years to see Pipino Cuevas vs Randy Shields pop up again … and thanks to the Vintage Boxing channel on YouTube it has! (BTW, if you haven’t discovered Vintage Boxing, the account posts high-res fights — some important but common, others obscure gems) from various eras back at least as far as the 1960s.

So it showed up there I guess a few days ago, and I was able to view/score it tonight. So here we go:

Jose “Pipino” Cuevas (c) vs Randy Shields for the WBA welterweight championship over 15 rounds on July 30. 1979, at International Amphitheatre in Chicago.

Cuevas, just 21, is 24-6 (22) and making the ninth defense of his title, with the previous eight all won by KO. The champion from Mexico weighs 146 1/2 and his making $80,000 plus whatever was generated from TV rights in his native country.

Shields, 23, is 33-5-1 (17) and hails from Hollywood. He is super thin at 142 1/2 and is taking home $25K.

The fight has been postponed four times for various reasons (training injuries and such). This is the first world title fight in Chicago in 14 years, with the most recent being hometown heavyweight Ernie Terrell vs. Eddie Machen.

Of note: Cuevas hurts his left hand in the second round and Shields suffers damage to his right mitt a round later.

Here it is, with my scoring on the 5-point must system used in Chicago at the time:

1 — Cuevas 5-4: Pipino starts fast, intent on a quick KO. He’s slinging bombs, and while the slippery, awkward Shields makes him miss badly at times, Cuevas lands several left hooks and uppercuts. Randy times a few sharp rights, which will be his chief weapon as it unfolds.

2 — Shields 5-4: Cuevas lands two big left hooks, but Randy is elusive along the ropes and does some good body work.

3 — Cuevas 5-4 (c): Pipino is more aggressive (though not completely selling out like he did to start the fight) and takes this frame with some heavy, stiff jabs and body work. Randy pot-shots here and there but doesn’t do enough, fighting in spurts.

4 — Shields 5-4: Randy finds a home for that sharp right hand and wins exchanges. He also appears to sustain a cut over his right eye, but it won’t become a factor.

5 — Cuevas 5-4: Randy gets cautious, maybe because of the eye, while Pipino bores in and works short, tight left hooks and uppercuts.

6 — Cuevas 5-4: Cuevas takes advantage of the fact that Randy simply isn’t throwing many jabs, walking in on a cautious Shields behind his own heavy jab and working him over inside.

7 — Shields 5-4: Randy picks it up with a series of 1-2s and more output. Cuevas has a nice rally with about a minute to go but it includes a lot of wild misses.

8 — Cuevas 5-4: Pipino leans into his right lead and works the jab to take this one fairly easily.

9 — Cuevas 5-4: Some huge rights and a couple of big hooks and Cuevas is looking strong while Shields seems to be getting ragged.

10 — Shields 5-4 (c): Very even until the latter part of the rounds, when Randy finds home with a series of rights to edge it.

11 — Even 5-5: Randy starts going full spoiler from this point on, smothering Pipino and negating him as best he can. Each lands a few clean shots but nothing sustained.

12 — Cuevas 5-4: Pipino really starts walking through Shields at this point, with a couple of big rallies. He misses a lot, sometimes badly, but gets in some good body work,

13 — Cuevas 5-4: Really rocks Shields in the corner with a big right and Randy is clearly in trouble, but he holds and spoils and survives.

14 — Shields 5-4: Very slow round, Shields a tad busier to take it.

15 — Shields 5-4: More spoiler work and Randy backs up Cuevas with a late rally to take it.

My card: Cuevas 69-67. Very competitive, close thanks to Shields’ rally in the last two rounds, but Pipino seemed a clear winner to me.

Official cards: 72-71, 73-67, 71-70 for Cuevas by unanimous decision.

Really glad I got to see this again and score it.

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Alright,done scoring the fight.

Victor Galindez vs Yaqui Lopez I

1: Yaqui 10-9
2: Galindez 19-19
3: Yaqui 29-28
4: Yaqui 39-37
5: Galindez 48-47
6: Galindez 57-57
7: draw 67-67(Galindez deducted)
8: Galindez 76-77
9: draw 86-87
10: Galindez 95-97
11: Galindez 104-107
12: Galindez 113-117
13: Yaqui 123-126
14: Yaqui 133-134 (Galindez deducted)
15: Galindez 142-144
Galindez's right rabbit punches seems interesting for me,it could've been the camera angle but it looked more like a punch behind the ear (still illegal but I don't consider it a deduction worthy foul)
Round 12 was the deciding round as it could've went either way and the decision changes with who did you pick to win the round,same to 14 because it could be a draw or a round for Yaqui.


Either way,what a close amazing fight,I love how Yaqui threw his left and how Galindez set up that sneaky right behind the ear tbh,both are hard punching yet very good tacticians, especially Galindez who's able to sneak in a good amount of fouls without getting deducted (@Saintpat did mention he might be a golden boy that the WBA always took care of every day,but I thought he's clever enough to sneak those)


Lopez proves you that you don't always need your cross to win,he mainly used his jab and hook off from it sometimes,and found many success.


I'm the other side, Galindez managed to outjab,outbox and outmaneuver Yaqui at times,he reminded me of Duran when he fought Barkley,a fight that would happen years later,and I think his "playing possum and coming out a tiger" playstyle definitely grew on me.



Overall a 8/10 fight,I only scored it like that because if I said it's a 10/10, there's still way many fights I could score it like that, it's still a good action fight to watch and score.

 

Let's score it @scartissue .

 

I watched this one without sound, so I somehow missed the point deductions. If I was to add those deductions to my card, I'd end up with a 144-139 Galindez card, which represents the action quite a bit better than my original 146/139 (11/4) card.

 

Nope,you don't have to deduct the points,the point deductions are coming from me who saw Galindez's fouls and had to do something as a judge,lol.

 

FT, this is my card from when the fight was first posted. Still relevant.

Pipino Cuevas v Randy Shields (welterweight title - 5-point must in effect)

Round 1: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 2: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 3: 5-4 Shields
Round 4: 5-4 Shields
Round 5: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 6: 5-5 Even
Round 7: 5-4 Shields
Round 8: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 9: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 10: 5-4 Shields
Round 11: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 12: 5-5 Even
Round 13: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 14: 5-4 Cuevas
Round 15: 5-4 Shields

Total: 70-67 Cuevas (actual scores: 72-71, 72-71 and 73-67 all for Cuevas)

This bout had plenty of shifts, but it really came down to the fact that Cuevas simply had more heft in his shots. Randy was the perfect foil for him - having a great jaw - but he had absolutely no pop in his punches. With so many of them being taps and sometimes even slaps, it was Cuevas' shots that impressed more and who took the lion's share on my card.

 

George Foreman vs Shannon Briggs

One of the biggest robberies I've seen in boxing, Foreman landed the harder shots, was the aggressor in most of the rounds and was all around the better fighter that night.

116-112 Big George Foreman

Foreman Rounds: 2, 3, 4 , 5, 7, 8, 9, 12
Briggs Rounds: 1, 6, 10, 11

 

Evander Holyfield vs Michael Dokes

1 Holyfield
2 Holyfield
3 Dokes
4 Holyfield
5 Dokes
6 9-9 Even Dokes won the round but had a point deducted.
7 Holyfield
8 Dokes
9 Holyfield
10 Holyfield wins by TKO

86-84 Holyfield

Great fight loads of good consistent exchanges and beautiful inside fighting from both fighters.

Dokes's stamina just let him down again here i've always felt Dokes comes out like a whirling dervish then seems to fade as the fight goes on. The 8th round was by far the best round of the fight but it seemed like Dokes gave everything in that round to finish off Holyfield and then he was completely gassed after Holyfield comeback at him.

But all in all nice to revisit this fight again.