the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. George Crowcroft

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    I watched Nap vs Stracey a few days ago and it was awesome, and I remembered thinking this one was a great fight (how could it not be?) so I figured I'd rewatch it, as well as some others from the era.

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    10 : 9 (47/48)
    9 : 10*
    10 : 9*
    9 : 10
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    What a surgical performance by Carlos. Brutal body shots all night, he used the long right to great effect and made a habit of punching with Stracey where he won basically every exchange. Stracey had his fair share of success, with his high workrate and aggressive, left hook and jab style. The series of body shots prior to the finish are brutal.

    Rounds 8, 10 and 12 were brutal. Nothing but clean punching and slick aggression, he really put a beating on Stracey in these rounds. I marked the eleventh as even, but it wasn't really. I just felt like Stracey's come back from round ten was just otherworldly, and I wanted my score to reflect that.

    There's a beautiful sequence at 27:55 where Carlos throws a double jab, and touches Stracey's back-hand parry, before slipping a jab and hooking off the second jab. The hook lands clean and it's awesome.
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  2. Saintpat

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    El Hombre was a Yaqui Lopez-level bridesmaid for sure.

    Only stopped twice in I think 59 bouts — once in his final bout vs Ray Leonard due to tendinitis in his left arm and the other in the 15th round vs Palomino — and always on the wrong end (sometimes with a fair gripe that he deserved to win) in his biggest close fights.

    Won North American and US titles as an amateur and pro. Made it quarterfinals of the Olympics and also went I think 2-1 vs USSR in international amateur competition. (Also beat Sammy Nesmith and Boogaloo Watts in the amateurs.)

    Highly underrated these days, I’d say. Had some nice scalps on his resume.
     
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    10 : 9
    10 : 9
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    9 : 10*
    9 : 10 (48/47)
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    Some of these rounds were pretty hard to split. I tended to prefer Carlos' cleaner, more powerful shots but there's definitely arguments for the workrate and aggression of Green in some of those split rounds.

    Carlos' right hand is great. Obviously his left is the main attraction, but his right hand is great too. That straight right hand came out of nowhere, and usually landed right on the button. Arguello-esque, actually. The right uppercut was good too, usually like to time the dip. He worked a nice uppercut against Stracey too, but here it really stuck like glue. That left hand was truly special too, just firing in both upstairs and down. It come out of nowhere and tagged Green nearly every time. Especially that knockout. What a shot.

    I like Green's style a lot. Very hardworking, and fast paced with a big emphasis on infighting. It's very fun, and he had great some body work of his own in this one. He won his rounds on sheer volume and aggression. Ultimately though, his role in this match-up was a little like the way China fought the Japanese. Matching head first into bigger guns in the hope they run out of ammo.
     
  4. scartissue

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    Jeff Fenech v Victor Callejas (vacant featherweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-8 Fenech (scores a knockdown)
    Round 4: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 5: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 6: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 7: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 8: 10-7 Fenech (scores a knockdown and batters Callejas)
    Round 9: 10-9 Fenech
    Round 10: Referee stops the contest

    Total through 9 completed rounds: 90-79 Fenech (actual scores: 90-79, 90-81 and 89-80 all for Fenech)

    To begin, Fenech was unstoppable this night but that doesn't give him an excuse to do what he did to Callejas. Richard Steele was out to lunch during this fight. I have never seen such an assortment of deliberate head-butts, holding and hitting, use of the forearm, low blows, etc. without a point deducted. The only thing that Steele would do was caution him, which Jeff clearly saw as, 'I may as well do it all night.' Which he did. The only thing Callejas could offer was an occasional left uppercut or hook counter. It was pitiful as Callejas was looking to his corner by the 6th round. IMO, not for advice but for them to pull him out of that mayhem. Again, Jeff didn't need the rough stuff. He was on fire that night.
     
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    I was gonna score this but it's a little incomplete so I didn't bother. Part of what wasn't available was the finish which was annoying.

    Lewis looks great here, using his reach and speed to take most rounds here. He shows good timing, a pull counter, stuttering the jab well and some decent defensive work. He's able to parry with either hand, and likes to leave exchanges at a different angle he entered which is almost always a good bet for a defensively responsible guy. His pivots and angles kept sending Lopez tumbling off. He also showed more of a right hand.

    Lopez is a force, he just keeps on coming and doesn't stop throwing. He kept sticking the cross to Lewis' face, and he worked a nice uppercut whenever they got into the clinch. He actually looks a little bit like a more fundamentally sound Graziano at times in there.
     
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    There was something about Dave Boy — maybe that pointed chin that jutted out just a bit too far — that made him go down like he was shot in his KO losses to Leonard and Carlos. Like *bam* and you know it’s over before he hits the canvas.

    Scrappy guy, really like his gumption and want-to, but he’s one of those ‘there are levels to this’ guys and he found his ceiling the hard way … twice.
     
  7. Saintpat

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    Great technical analysis. In the Benitez-Chiaverini fight I posted above, Wilfred did his most damage when pivoting off the ropes. He’d lay there and block, dodge, counter … then slide to one side, pivot and unload. He missed a few home run shots but he landed some too.

    Straight-line fighters just don’t do well against guys who know how to pivot. Sometimes guys even take the smallest of angles — like instead of being at 12 o’clock they’ll take a tiny slide-step and pivot so they’re at 12:30 or 1 (slightly off-center rather than dead-on in front of a guy) and it makes all the difference.
     
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